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> Let me teach you Logical Thinking and Fallacies, to debunk False Arguments

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diffyhelman2
post Jun 14 2021, 05:19 PM

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park, lazy to go find examples now but the top ones are:

appeal to authority

strawman

non sequitur

appeal to emotion/fear, scaremongering

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post Jun 14 2021, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Jun 14 2021, 04:45 PM)
Interesting...
What do you think of this argument? (Context: The Rohingya issue) sweat.gif
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I think this one falls under strawman? He's not addressing the real issue of inhumane but derailing with "why dont you take care of all of them"?

Maybe also falls under whataboutism?
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post Jun 14 2021, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(Sichiri @ Jun 14 2021, 06:26 PM)
I still don't fully understand what is a strawman
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Example
Hesitant guy
I have concerns about vaccine xyz because i read the risk of suffering from abcd is much more likely compared to the risk of me falling seriously ill from been unvaccinated.

Strawman critic argument: omg why are you been such an antivaxx boomer who believes whatever fake news you read on WhatsApp. Vaccines do not reprogram your dna!

Strawman critic premises his whole argument on hesitant guy been an anti vaxxer while not addressing the core issue of his concern which is the risk benefit ratio of taking the vaccine. He also brings in another strawman by asserting that the hesitant guy believes that vaccines reprogram his dna.

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post Jun 14 2021, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(AbbyCom @ Jun 14 2021, 09:30 PM)
Yeah, that's very good observation, I have no idea these fallacies exist and I am guilty of them too. Where do you guys find out about this?
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wikipedia is a good starting point
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post Jun 14 2021, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(lazer19 @ Jun 14 2021, 09:51 PM)
How about red herring TS? I often confused it with strawman
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I think a strawman fallacy occurs when someone twists our words to use against us, while a red herring is when someone uses an irrelevant point in a debate in order to distract, derail or confuse the topic.

strawman - a false representation of your opponents argument that is easier to attack

red herring - an irrelevant point thrown into the argument

Many arguments contain both strawman and red herring at the same time so thats why we often confuse the two.

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post Jun 14 2021, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Jun 14 2021, 09:57 PM)
to me it's more like afraid of wasting time with people that don't matter, or little people.
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Another way to look at it is...if they can only resort to ad hominems instead of attacking your points, you must be onto something.
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post Jun 17 2021, 02:43 PM

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Hi ts i have a new example for you to analyze. What fallacy is this?

QUOTE(etan26 @ Jun 17 2021, 02:40 PM)
"Even with vaccination also dieded." I didn't know with vaccination we could live forever like Shih Huang Ti ..... or we got conned
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post Jun 17 2021, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Jun 17 2021, 05:31 PM)
Your bolded part, it was a sarcasm, not an argument.

more examples are welcome, i'm having fun doing this.
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I was wondering what the fallacy was when someone infers an extreme and ridiculous conclusion from a given statement.
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post Jun 23 2021, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Jun 23 2021, 06:01 PM)
Actually not entirely right.

Strawman attacks are more on taking certain points of the argument and distorting or twisting it to make it look worse.

Based on example above - the strawman would more be like "So you think all vaccines make you ill? You think those that had polio was pretending only right and the polio vaccine is fake also right? You believe Government all put 5G chip to control you also?"

So suddenly from someone who is trying to ascertain the validity of a vaccine, you take a part of it and twist it to the point he looks like a unsympathetic conspiracy loving nutjob thus have no credibility.
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I think best to think of strawman as taking an argument and then twisting original context or intention of the argument into a weaker argument, thus making it easier to attack. like they say, attacking a strawman. your example is a very obvious one, but they are more subtle ways to twist an argument to make the argument weaker.


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post Jun 27 2021, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(AdrianaMaisarah @ Jun 26 2021, 10:43 PM)
But my tiny sock also got people produce it.
How come universe no one create it?
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I would say this is the argument by design controversy, I dont know if it can be definitely called a fallacy.

On the larger issue of that TS topic, he falls into the divine fallacy argument.

ie, the Universe is so amazing, I cannot imagine it could have come into its own by itself without a creator.


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post Jun 27 2021, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(jojojoget @ Jun 27 2021, 02:25 PM)
In a way it's a false analogy, the universe and a sock are not alike and cannot be compared in such a way.
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Yes, that’s one of the arguments put forth against those who believe in the watchmakers analogy.

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