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TSlowya
post Jun 14 2021, 02:37 PM, updated 2 months ago

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First, quote me an actual example of this forum's statement that you find ridiculous or disagree totally, i'll cross reference it to the book of fallacies and invalidate their illogical arguments.

Let me start with the famous one you already know so i spare you the #1 example, this forum is full of name callings, i.e.

1. Ad Hominem.

2. (more added in the thread, read on)

There are at least 30 Fallacies, let's see if we can cover it all here.

So start paste the actual quote here, i'll reply and we can learn together.

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post Jun 14 2021, 04:45 PM

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Interesting...

QUOTE(kraziekd @ Jun 14 2021, 11:28 AM)
i dun see u inviting them living in ur house but tokok here n there on twitter
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What do you think of this argument? (Context: The Rohingya issue) sweat.gif
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post Jun 14 2021, 04:51 PM

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Jun 14 2021, 09:38 PM
This post has been deleted by lowya because: meh

diffyhelman2
post Jun 14 2021, 05:19 PM

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park, lazy to go find examples now but the top ones are:

appeal to authority

strawman

non sequitur

appeal to emotion/fear, scaremongering

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post Jun 14 2021, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Jun 14 2021, 04:45 PM)
Interesting...
What do you think of this argument? (Context: The Rohingya issue) sweat.gif
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I think this one falls under strawman? He's not addressing the real issue of inhumane but derailing with "why dont you take care of all of them"?

Maybe also falls under whataboutism?
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post Jun 14 2021, 05:34 PM

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I don't know this one falls under which psychology term but those with strong ideology just can't assess facts objectively when it comes to race, politics and religion. For example, genuine macai, us/cn licker and religious nut.
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post Jun 14 2021, 05:35 PM

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I'm not sure if this is one of the fallacies you mentioned, but an argument logic that I like to use is reductio ad absurdum.

This is when you take a claim and show that by extending that claim to its conclusion would result in an absurd outcome, thus proving the claim false.

Please do share more. =)
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post Jun 14 2021, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Jun 14 2021, 05:19 PM)
park, lazy to go find examples now but the top ones are:

appeal to authority

strawman

non sequitur

appeal to emotion/fear, scaremongering
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Ad hominems.

That EinBaja really like to use.
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post Jun 14 2021, 06:20 PM


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Just look at all the religious arguments.
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post Jun 14 2021, 06:26 PM

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I still don't fully understand what is a strawman
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post Jun 14 2021, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(Sichiri @ Jun 14 2021, 06:26 PM)
I still don't fully understand what is a strawman
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Example
Hesitant guy
I have concerns about vaccine xyz because i read the risk of suffering from abcd is much more likely compared to the risk of me falling seriously ill from been unvaccinated.

Strawman critic argument: omg why are you been such an antivaxx boomer who believes whatever fake news you read on WhatsApp. Vaccines do not reprogram your dna!

Strawman critic premises his whole argument on hesitant guy been an anti vaxxer while not addressing the core issue of his concern which is the risk benefit ratio of taking the vaccine. He also brings in another strawman by asserting that the hesitant guy believes that vaccines reprogram his dna.

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post Jun 14 2021, 06:53 PM

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Binary thinking, also known as dichotomous thinking, happens when even complex concepts, ideas, and problems are overly simplified into being one side or another. The gray area in the middle is ignored or goes unnoticed.

These people think in black and white, if you not support X then you must support Y. No somewhere in between
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post Jun 14 2021, 06:59 PM

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Afraid of ad hominem please don't get online, thats something this forum has taught me.
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post Jun 14 2021, 07:25 PM

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Good thread. Park.
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post Jun 14 2021, 07:45 PM

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Very fast tips /filter to see if the person replying to you is a troll/psycho.
You describe a situation in very precise manner.

The opposing person reply with "so, you're saying" or straight away use an analogy despite having no reason to do so as you're not describing quantum mechanics.
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post Jun 14 2021, 08:05 PM

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post Jun 14 2021, 08:26 PM

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Survivorship Bias

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias


Please read the wikipedia for explanation, I provide some examples:

1. I play shares/crypto. Sometimes I win sometimes I lose money. I only tell ppl (or post on lowyat forum) when I make money. Then everyone thinks I make money all the time.

2. I get rejected 9 out of 10 girls I approach. But I approached 100 girls (get rejected 90 times) and still dapat 10 girls so i'm seen in public for some of the 10 girls. My rejections are not shown to the public. So ppl think i'm a playboy PUA expert.

3. Girls think that every guy is a playboy, but they only think about guys in top 10% and they think the rest of the 90% don't exist and therefore doesn't register in their head. So they think every guy (which is the 10%) is a playboy (because the top 10% can dapat multiple girls).

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orangtua
post Jun 14 2021, 08:38 PM

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Problem with our education system is it doesn't teach this in school. Heck not even in uni (at least not in mine). Instead we spend time on Pendidikan Moral.
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post Jun 14 2021, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(orangtua @ Jun 14 2021, 08:38 PM)
Problem with our education system is it doesn't teach this in school. Heck not even in uni (at least not in mine). Instead we spend time on Pendidikan Moral.
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Yeah, that's very good observation, I have no idea these fallacies exist and I am guilty of them too. Where do you guys find out about this?
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post Jun 14 2021, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Jun 14 2021, 04:45 PM)
Interesting...
What do you think of this argument? (Context: The Rohingya issue) sweat.gif
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"i dun see u inviting them living in ur house but tokok here n there on twitter"

is a Straw Man Argument (Concocting a false or made up scenario and then attacking that scenario in order to make an opponent look bad.

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