AMD apparently released prices fo its new barcelona series to partners and distributors..

http://www.geeks-corner.com/blog/index.php/barcelona-prices/



Hope prices correspond to performance..

This post has been edited by intune: Sep 10 2007, 06:15 PM

If price convert to Malaysia included tax => heaven price.
Need around RM1k.... No money buy lol
Some more the Ghz very low. 1.7-2.0

Barcelona meant for server market so prices bit steep..maybe we all shud wait for Phenom in November for the desktop series.. maybe prices will be on our side then..

FOr now .. luv my quad..

price is quite high
hope the performance will destroy c2d..

I think AMD goals should be is destroy Intel upcoming 45nm processor

Lol...sounds like the Barcelona football team to me...hahakz!

=_=
The price is higher then i expected, anyway i hope the peformance able to beat Intel

wah.... the price... compared to intel when come out a bit expensive kan??

Wow. Too expensive. Waiting for Phenom x4.
Hopefully they are not so expensive

-pWs-

This post has been edited by -pWs-: Sep 5 2007, 12:25 PM

anyway its depends on final performance whether it can really beat that current c2d/c2q and next penryn family. AMD can just go back like its K6 generation where the performance falls behind Pentium II and the price were cheap.

Yeah, same goes for me. Waiting for Phenom X4 instead of that Opteron Barcelona. And yes, hopefully not so expensive as well

AMD sure had done a market survey before they come out the price.
Base on the price, It is not difficult to predict the Baracelona's performance...

Hehe... barcelona..

They are pricing it high because people who buy a LOT of CPUs (Supercomputer institutes) are going to get it.

The ones who already have Socket F CPUs- No brainer. HPC performance is gila gila on the new chip.
The ones who have some 771 Intel Xeons might even consider adding some of these to their server.

It's not just about consumer grade products, as you get lesser margins on the consumer platform whole. Servers are ludricious business with a lot of commitment on the overall platform taken.

Some corporate server companies are also taking a lot more Opteron orders than 2003 when it beat Xeons- especially when now that Intel has to use FB-DIMMs that gobble so much power (and cash) that it's a bad tradeoff against registered DDR2, and Opterons of a higher TDP compared to a Xeon, can still have lower power consumption of the whole system in total.

If DAAMIT decides that the server market is better suited to them for now, so be it. Phenom's not going to perform like a slug, but they might not be looking for a direct fight with Intel (just as they avoided with nVidia, snatching OEMs (volume) and almost all workstation cards (super high margin) with great deals- while nV has shortages with AIBs (segmented the market too far))

Both companies can win-win. It's just a matter of perspective.

based on most reviews on barcelona, i thought it might price cheaper... tbh, i barely beat the recent c2 family let alone touching the penryn, but hopefully the future production of barcelona will gif intel a knock...

btw, ther's no tax on computer parts... except some computer accessories...

furthermore the websites looks more like a blog

It is clear that on the recent Investor's Review, AMD had presented their future plans which is not a child's play waging the for the THRONE of microprocessor but more on rolling out product that meets the market demand and try to get away from direct competition with Intel.

Just like the old saying goes, if you can't win the game, change the rules

They've did it with Athlon Thunderbird, they've did it again with AMD64, they've did it with Integrated Memory Controller (not their novelty, but the mainstream market see it as a pioneer for mass consumer market)

Now, they just need to go all out with FUSION, PUMA and more creative revolutionary products... no one can fight the GIANT...

surely beat c2d la this proc...AMD rocks !!!haha

hope the performance suit for that price

arrhhhh....
cannot wait for the phenom....

Quad Core........

come show me ur performance.....

I don't see how anyone can conclude that they are not looking at a direct fight with intel. Even AMD wouldn't deny this fact. The fact is intel is going for ALL markets. AMD's upcoming chip is aimed at the mainstream desktop/server market, which is intel's primary market. It's not low power enough to be an embedded chip, and it doesn't have enough RAS features for big iron. So there's really nowhere else for it to go, even if it wanted to.

And on the graphics department, Q3 results will tell if they made any progress. But looking at the prices they are selling, i don't think they're making nice profits out of those either (same case with their current CPU business, regained market share but still losing money).

Here i some breaking SPEC numbers leaked and sourced from ZDNet:





ZDnet - "Here are the SPECfp_rate2006 peak numbers which are used for the niche HPC market. The leaked Barcelona 2.0 numbers are based on AMD's slide that claims a 35% advantage over Intel's 5345 as of 8/28/2007 (this is the date that these slides were generated). The numbers below show updated September numbers for Intel but it is possible that AMD has newer and better scores than the ones submitted on 8/20/2007"

Comments at ZDnet Blog -

"The 4-processor SPECint_rate2006 slides you posted are actually GOOD news for AMD !

They show the Opteron 8350 platform ($1004/proc) being faster, or as fast as, the Xeon L7345 and E7320 platforms (respectively $2301 and $1177/proc) ! Then, the Xeon X7340 score is indeed higher than the Opteron 8350, but this Xeon costs twice as much: $1980. (It would have been interesting to see the score for the intermediate Xeon X7330 by the way.)

Everybody is so focused on absolute performance, but, in the end, all what matters is how much bang you get for your buck. So unless you stricly buy the highest-end processors ($2000+ proc representing the top 20% of the 4P market), these slides prove that Barcelona is faster & cheaper for everything else (the remaining 80% of the 4P market) ! "


TS Comments - I wonder how AMD Opterons will perform clock to clock performance with Intel Xeons Tigerton.. Interesting developements indeed. I guess The war on the desktop market will become more interesting then this when Phenom comes out in November.. Hopefully the fight between Intel and AMD will always produce one winner..which is 'us' the consumer.

This post has been edited by intune: Sep 8 2007, 04:03 PM

Oh my gosh.
Better than expected- I expected 5% less integer than C2D, 20% more FP than C2D. In quadcore it scales very nicely too!

Now they just need to ramp the speeds up quickly. Damnit DAAMIT!
(Well considering Penryn is Q1 2008, possible that they're back in the game- without much brute force)


And more comments on the ZDNet comments (), Intel as a platform is still more expensive. And overall, Xeons aren't as hard on Opterons than Core 2s are on the Athlons. Still, Barcelona is kinda crippletech (even by little) so the desktop part might get even more desirable results.
By the way, yeah, cache does matter a lot if you're looking for sheer numbers.

This post has been edited by X.E.D: Sep 8 2007, 04:33 PM

These few year AMD/ATI perfomances abit disapointing..their product keep delay delay..dunno they doing what?

maybe they just want do/fix any bugs or anything to make sure they will win intel in terms of performance. we just wait n see what's next.

Maybe they will announce immediate price drop if the price do no satisfy the performance againts Xeon.

Maybe the gonna close down like Winchip?

Ah, 1 noob question here, Are Barcelona processors using 65nm technology ?? They got "Cool n Quiet" system?

65nm for now, next year comes Shanghai with 45nm. It's not final yet but most certain.

And Barcelona has more than just normal Cool&Quiet- it can clock all 4 cores separately so you save power while your system is not demanding 4 cores.

1 very noob question here
is barcelona meant for server? how bout laptop? still stay on turion?

It needs new mobo though to take advantage of new power savings tech.

The laptop version should be the new Turion that may launch next yr with similar concept of centrino like technology. Barcelona is for server market and the next Budapest.

Nope, it doesn't. Split power planes (Seperate IMC and CPU clock) need AM2+
Core-based throttling doesn't. (That's why server people are loving the prospect)

the price.. quite high

This is server cpu so the price is normal. Wait for the desktop phenom la

Barcelona delay is because the native quad core design which Intel dare not attempt in year 2007. Intell will have native quad core design in late 2008. Til then AMD have the advantage for octa-core (8 cores) since they can just MCM (joining 2 quad-core together) to produce 8 cores CPU. I think AMD will learn from the mistake and move more quickly than they ever did.

That make sense as they can now just combine two native quad core and become Phenom X8...

Barcelona is Opteron. You can guess from there.

The AMD Barcelona Presentation [today 10 sept 2007]
Link

'AMD's Quad-Core Barcelona: Defending New Territory'[today 10 sept 2007]
link

This post has been edited by Im_beside_yoU: Sep 10 2007, 12:43 PM

Finally ... 10 sept 2007
Thanks a lot for your info.
But some are difficult to understand.

This post has been edited by darnell: Sep 10 2007, 01:06 PM