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post Aug 5 2021, 06:17 PM

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To be frank, there is risk of using Luno when you withdraw funds back to your bank. If your bank notices it and they know luno is on crypto, they will close your account.

I got the notice of closure from CIMB.
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post Jan 2 2023, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Mr_Kee @ Jan 2 2023, 09:55 AM)
Just yesterday night I found my cimb has been frozen.i called CIMB call centre and she asked me to to counter. I am new and p2p merchant but accepted 3rd party transferred.but before my account got freeze,I have stopped doing p2p already on 25th due to I read here about the scam activity through p2p.i kinda worry now😭😭
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Which platform you used for your p2p? Are you selling or buying?
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post Jan 2 2023, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(Mr_Kee @ Jan 2 2023, 08:17 PM)
I using kucoin p2p..do buy and sell as well
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Did you sell to someone and the name doesn't match with the kucoin verified name?

If all were matched, then you might involve in "3rd party scam".

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post Jan 3 2023, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(doraemonkiller @ Jan 3 2023, 03:14 PM)
if it is third party scam and got police report then your IC number will red flag under bank negara, all your bank account will be close 1 by 1 and can't open anymore. Happen to me and my many friends. We did not scam people but we became victim of third party scam.
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Did you able to hire lawyers and counterclaim?
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post Jan 3 2023, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(doraemonkiller @ Jan 3 2023, 10:55 PM)
useless 1. Police cant do anything and bank negara also dont care.
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Have you tried to defense?
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post Jan 4 2023, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(doraemonkiller @ Jan 4 2023, 09:36 AM)
we tried many way. No one ever success
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It is so sad. Those real scammers are freely but the victims have to suffer.

In short, all the banks account will be closed off due to this?
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post Jan 5 2023, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(Mr_Kee @ Jan 5 2023, 10:21 AM)
I have no idea. Might possible too....these scammer really so bad.
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Have you checked with home branch?
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post Jan 6 2023, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(Mr_Kee @ Jan 5 2023, 08:49 PM)
I have checked .The officer said got people reported me. Not reveal who and which transaction. I have no way to justify
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That is the common way on how the banks behave. They blocked your access and account and never reveal which transaction was reported. How they expected the account holder to check and provide information?

Do you think it is stupid or not?
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post Oct 10 2023, 07:15 AM

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QUOTE(ERICCHOOSK @ Oct 10 2023, 03:10 AM)
Guys! Need your help!

I am so dumb to accept third party account transfer when selling usdt in bybit p2p.

The buyer (scammer) used third party account to transfer the funds to my personal account (MBB). He said his personal account reached limit and asks if can use company account to transfer. I said ok. Once released the USDT, I transferred the RM in my MBB to my company account. (HSBC) - to return some funds I took out from my company account.

Next morning I checked my MBB & HSBC company account got frozen.

I rushed to Maybank branch… the people there said need to wait for reply. Got frozen by cyber security department regarding transaction and unwilling to disclose any other details.

What should I do next? Main concern is my company account… I need that account and the funds inside. I transferred in 10k but the funds inside is six figures! All frozen!
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how much you sold? must be 5 figures too?
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post Oct 10 2023, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Oct 10 2023, 10:12 AM)
IMO, unfortunately there's nothing much you can do now until they concluded the investigation

most likely your case is under fraud investigation as the 3rd party account got scammed and made police report, hence your accounts got frozen

#1 rule in P2P, never ever accept 3rd party transfer
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not possible if 3rd party scam because is co account.

Mostly the co acc has been reported by many.

TS can PM me
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post Oct 10 2023, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(GSCboy @ Oct 10 2023, 10:53 AM)
i think the trigger is you use personal acc to receive the funds
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nope.
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post Oct 13 2023, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(doraemonkiller @ Oct 13 2023, 09:13 AM)
What is the progress?
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No news is good news.
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post Oct 21 2023, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(ERICCHOOSK @ Oct 14 2023, 02:57 PM)
No news from both banks. Emailed, called, they just say need to wait. No exact reasons why account was froze.
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any news?

my friend had this case before CNY and took 3-4 months to get resolved.
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post Nov 4 2023, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(ERICCHOOSK @ Nov 4 2023, 01:00 AM)
Just got updated by bank today.

I got reported and PDRM is investigating. Gave me an inspector phone number. After communication, he understood that I sell my USDT and the scammer transferred me scammed fund. But my case isn’t first layer. Meaning it’s not the direct transferee reported. It’s a few layers up. There’s nothing he can do and he say will take a long time. Even told me tidak pasti can get back my account money or not.

i will make a police report with all the p2p transaction screen shots tomorrow and notify Maybank.

How did your friend resolve this issue and what steps did he need to undergo? Any questioning, going to Balai for interview etc?
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How many P2P transactions you have done for that? I afraid after this case is closed, your Maybank account might be closed as well.

He can't do much and all were done by the bank and police. He just waited for updates.

QUOTE(ERICCHOOSK @ Nov 4 2023, 01:01 AM)
Oh and HSBC just closed my company account without a reason.
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Definitely they believe you were engaging in illegal transactions by using company as the medium.

Did you have good business relation with HSBC? Usually if they know you and you are in physical business, they will meet you to know more.
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post Aug 9 2024, 07:47 AM

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QUOTE(x3Kai @ Aug 8 2024, 05:00 PM)
Just a follow up on this, how's your case going?

I’ll share some further information here because mine took a really strange turn.

Remember when I said that Maybank told me to deal with the IO myself? Yea, they initially only provided me with the IO contact. But after me begging them for more information they finally gave me the case reference number. From the case number I can see that the case was lodged in Butterworth. I made contact with the IO and provided all requested information and proof, he finally told me that he will need approval from Bukit Aman to conclude the case. This was back in Mid Apr, and I followed up every month till now.

But yesterday, out of nowhere, I got a letter from Maybank, Seberang Jaya branch. The letter is an account closure notification. The clause is kind of ridiculous but that’s beside the point:

“The Bank reserves the right to close any banking account for any reason whatsoever by giving 14 days notice of such intention and the Bank shall not bound to disclose any reason therefore.”

Seems normal right? Someone did mention somewhere that Maybank will close your account after they completed investigation. But here’s the plot twist, I NEVER OPENED AN ACCOUNT WITH THAT BRANCH AS I AM BASED IN KL. I first thought it might be some scam, fake letterhead, fake this and that, but I checked on TNG DuitNow, nope, the account holder name is indeed my name.

But wait, my case is lodged in Penang, and an account was opened without my knowledge nor consent in Penang, coincidence?

When they told me that I have to pay the victim to resolve this case and deal with the scammers myself, they actually told me they can prepare an auto-debit form for me to sign on the spot, coincidence?

Now here’s the most sketchy part. I contacted my IO again today. He's usually quite responsive but after ignoring me the whole morning, he replied me at noon to tell me that my case was just approved (for dismissal I assumed, feels like he didn't want to elaborate about it), coincidence?

But he told me I must go see him to collect the letter face to face in Butterworth. I told him I was based in KL and it’s kind of difficult to arrange the trip then he started to ask me about my work like what I work as and where I work. I did ask him to send me a softcopy if possible via email or just snap it and send me via WhatsApp but he totally ignored that part.

I’ve lodge another BNM complaint before the IO replied me because this is either an inside job by Maybank, which is seriously concerning, or an identity theft issue, which is equally concerning as I wasn’t present for any account opening and I’m also unable to open any account via the app as they told me I’m blacklisted. So how did they circumvent that?

Does anyone have any experience with dealing with case dismissal/conclusion where the IO from another state asks you to meet him? Are these report usually handed over face to face only, no soft copies allowed? After hearing stories of how corrupt the police force is, I was wondering if I go meet him, will I be asked to belanja minum kopi?
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Ignore the branch of the bank who issued you the closure letter, is your account number (with Maybank) corrected stated in the letter?

Probably you forgot you opened such account in Seberang Jaya when you worked here?
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post Aug 9 2024, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(x3Kai @ Aug 9 2024, 09:25 AM)
It's kind of hard to ignore as based on my understanding on how Maybank works, you can't perform any major account changes outside of your home branch. So presumably, you can't close your account from a branch that is not your home branch.

And the account number was not an account number that I'm familiar with. But I have verified said bank account to be under my name through DuitNow.

Lastly, I never resided in Penang, nor did I work there before. Heck I never even really visited Penang mainland other the occasional stop by when traveling to the island. Come to think of it, I never even visited Penang more than 5 times in my lifetime.
I was going to let the financial authorities to do their thing but now I'm seriously considering this as an option now as BNM just replied me and they tried to downplay it as a conflict between me and Maybank on account closure

"We wish to inform you that consideration and procedure on opening or closing of account will be at the discretion of the financial institution (FI) based on its policies, internal procedures and risk management practices. Bank Negara Malaysia does not involve in the evaluation process/credit assessment made by any FI."

I clearly provide way more information of my predicament to them but they still chose to willfully ignore the part where I mention that I did not open nor consented to the opening of  the account. Heck I never visited the branch before either.
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So the account that is going to be closed by Maybank Seberang Jaya is not the account reported by the victim on your case? It is another account?

How about the Maybank account that reported by the victim? And also the RHB bank account? Both were solved or closed by the banks?

Based on your case, it is in doubt that those scam might now be related to insiders with so called enforcement?

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post Aug 9 2024, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(x3Kai @ Aug 9 2024, 11:16 AM)
Nope, the account being closed wasn't opened by me to begin with. I had no idea of its existence before I received the closure notification.

The Maybank account reported by the victim is still frozen as Maybank just dumped the investigation onto me and told me to deal with the IO directly. And so coincidentally now the case seems to be resolved but now I have to travel to Butterworth to get a report.

RHB on the other hand resolved my issue within 3 months from my complaint to BNM. They took charge in communicating with PDRM and the account is now operable and I foresee using it actively again as I'm servicing my mortgage through them after that incident.

The insiders I'm referring to is within Maybank, not with our enforcers. As the only explanation I can think of how the account can be opened in the first place is either Maybank is so incompetent that they couldn't detect identity fraud, or someone within Maybank opened it without my knowledge. Please note that I was told that I was blacklisted by them, so account opening shouldn't be an option to begin with.

On the flip side, someone told me to think positively, like maybe the investigation was delayed because of the existence of that Seberang Jaya account. But my concern still stands, how was the account opened without my consent nor knowledge?
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Then this must make report why such account was opened without your knowledge.

In short, you never know such account was exist until you received the closure letter from Maybank Seberang Jaya.

Wonder if such account was used by someone to receive fraudulent funds?

I believe after this case is settled, your another maybank account will be closed as well.

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post Aug 9 2024, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(x3Kai @ Aug 9 2024, 03:18 PM)
As you said, I just tried contacting my old branch and he notified me that the account is in the process of termination

Did anyone manage to appeal against the termination?
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The account that victim reported or the seberang jaya account not opened by you?

You can try to complaint to BNM but again, it is useless as the BNM will tell you that it is at the discretion of the bank.

Subsequently, other of your bank account will be closed one by one.

I didn't find or mis-read how the victim reported you? ABC Scam?

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post Nov 15 2024, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(hauking @ Nov 15 2024, 08:57 PM)
Another unfortunate victim here fall for the same issue, sell USDT and the buyer dispute to the bank and my account for frozen with Maybank, attached with the seller account on Bybit.

Want to ask people who been through / still going through this, aside from report to police, get all statements & report to the bank home branch, whatelse can be done in between?

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Did you report to Bybit about this case?

Did you check the payer name is same as the Bybit registered name?

The merchant/buyer transacted for so many trades but still kena. I believe you kena 3rd party scam.
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post Nov 15 2024, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(hauking @ Nov 15 2024, 11:32 PM)
Yes, already report to Bybit,

Unfortunately, the payer name is not the same and the excuse is the same "transfer amount exceed and need to use other bank".
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Never believe such reason. You should return/refund to the origin sender and you can safe!

I thought the buyer is newbie but still can scam you lorrrrrr

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