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westom
post May 18 2021, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(Momo33 @ May 18 2021, 06:14 AM)
the general advise to to  have  1  surge SPD for whole house  at the service entrance  ie DB box  . and  a Point of Use  plug in protector .

Cprrect. The subjective statement is true. Then numbers are included. That 'whole house' protector (Type 1 or 2) does 99.5% to 99.9% of the protection. Leaving plug-in protector to do maybe 0.2% more protection.

It must exist to protect Type 3 (plug-in) protectors. Otherwise tiny joule protectors can do this.

IEEE then says:
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Still, a 99.5% protection level will reduce the incidence of direct strokes from one stroke per 30 years ... to one stroke per 6000 years ...   Protection at 99.5% is the practical choice.

One 'whole house' protector protects all appliances. One plug-in protector only attempts to protect one or two appliances.

Worse, a plug-in (Type 3) protector can even compromise what is superior (better) protection inside electronics if not used in conjunction with a 'whole house' (Type 1 or 2) protector.

This post has been edited by westom: May 18 2021, 09:02 PM
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post Oct 7 2021, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(Rainings @ May 11 2021, 02:47 PM)
After few years of using Belkin surge protector, I started to question their product quality control.
So far I've sent 2 surge protectors for RMA, one protector they replace a new one for me, the other one they refunded for me.
And the RMA process is kinda tedious, you can only RMA from the seller that you bought, Belkin Malaysia will not entertain you even if bought their genuine product.
And recently I just found out now all the Belkin surge protector no longer offers a lifetime warranty.
is that any good quality surge protector recommend?
This is what i found, feel free to recommend.
APC
https://shopee.com.my/APC-PM6U-UK-6-OUTLETS...2218.2092802972

Targus
https://shopee.com.my/TARGUS-SURGE-PROTECTO...67819.438358123
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My belkin surge protector kaput after only 1 month, i guess their quality control terrible edi, so how do u actually claim their warranty? need to call them 1st or straight go to the seller? cause im buying it online..
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post Oct 7 2021, 01:21 AM

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QUOTE(Bombgen @ Oct 7 2021, 01:16 AM)
My belkin surge protector kaput after only 1 month, i guess their quality control terrible edi, so how do u actually claim their warranty? need to call them 1st or straight go to the seller? cause im buying it online..
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Which series did you buy? the cheapest one or the fat series?
You can contact the seller to see if they can help you out but in most cases they'll ask you to go to Belkin instead
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post Oct 7 2021, 01:23 AM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Oct 7 2021, 01:21 AM)
Which series did you buy? the cheapest one or the fat series?
You can contact the seller to see if they can help you out but in most cases they'll ask you to go to Belkin instead
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F9S620sa4M this exact model, the fat one i guess? I prefer to send it directly to belkin, do u know where's the service centre?

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post Oct 7 2021, 01:32 AM

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QUOTE(Bombgen @ Oct 7 2021, 01:23 AM)
F9S620sa4M this exact model, the fat one i guess? I prefer to send it directly to belkin, do u know where's the service centre?
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No idea.. https://www.belkin.com/my/contactus/locations/ doesn't list an add for MY sweat.gif
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post Oct 7 2021, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(Bombgen @ Oct 7 2021, 01:16 AM)
My belkin surge protector kaput after only 1 month, i guess their quality control terrible edi, so how do u actually claim their warranty? need to call them 1st or straight go to the seller? cause im buying it online..
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Exactly the same model as mine that i sent for warranty, F9S620sa4M, the cover inside broken, my phone charger got burned a little.
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I bought it at shopee few years back, contacted the seller, the model no more stock so the seller refunded me.
I am just lucky, the seller willing to refund me, I will not buy any Belkin product in the future and all their surge protector no longer offer lifetime warranty.
Few things I learnt during the process
1. Don't go directly to Belkin Malaysia, they will always ask you contact the seller for warranty, and they don't want to handle it.
2. If the seller no longer available, aka closed shop, Belkin will not entertain you unless you have the official receipt from the seller.
3. If the seller is gone, and you don't have the official receipt, say bye bye to your warranty.

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post Oct 8 2021, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(Rainings @ May 11 2021, 02:47 PM)
After few years of using Belkin surge protector, I started to question their product quality control.
So far I've sent 2 surge protectors for RMA, one protector they replace a new one for me, the other one they refunded for me.
And the RMA process is kinda tedious, you can only RMA from the seller that you bought, Belkin Malaysia will not entertain you even if bought their genuine product.
And recently I just found out now all the Belkin surge protector no longer offers a lifetime warranty.
is that any good quality surge protector recommend?
This is what i found, feel free to recommend.
APC
https://shopee.com.my/APC-PM6U-UK-6-OUTLETS...2218.2092802972

Targus
https://shopee.com.my/TARGUS-SURGE-PROTECTO...67819.438358123
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Replaced my Belkin with APC. Reason? It is a well known brand specialized in power devices owned by Schneider Electric and has an IEC 61643-11 certificate.
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post Oct 12 2021, 10:50 AM

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Surprised no one recommend CyberPower? Or is it CyberPower not popular in Malaysia? I am currently living in Taiwan and is using this CyberPower CP1000PFCLCDA 1000VA UPS. I think Malaysia should have the equivalent model. It comes with UPS + AVR + Surge Protection, basically all-in-one package for ~RM600 converted.

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post Oct 14 2021, 03:55 PM

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Try to buy from reputable seller APC recommend.
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post Dec 13 2021, 05:03 PM

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i just bought 1 Schneider Electric brand few months back online during promo. am ok with that
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post Dec 14 2021, 07:28 AM

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I no longer into surge protector because I have an experience that my desktop was strike by lightning during one thunderstorm even my CPU was protected with UPS and surge protector. One thunder strike and my mobo and PSU both also declare dead.
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post Dec 17 2021, 06:16 AM

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QUOTE(life5tyle @ Dec 14 2021, 08:28 AM)
I no longer into surge protector because I have an experience that my desktop was strike by lightning during one thunderstorm even my CPU was protected with UPS and surge protector. One thunder strike and my mobo and PSU both also declare dead.
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yes ... lightning surge can zap . nod.gif

Surge protector have a limited life.
what brand did you use. ?
has it a LED indication 'protected '

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post Dec 17 2021, 07:36 AM

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QUOTE(Momo33 @ Dec 17 2021, 06:16 AM)
yes ... lightning surge can  zap  . nod.gif

Surge protector  have a limited  life. 
what brand did you use. ?
has it a LED  indication 'protected '
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Belkin.
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post Dec 17 2021, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(life5tyle @ Dec 17 2021, 08:36 AM)
Belkin.
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OK .
I am guessing you dont have a SPD T2 installed in your DB box. if not do look to install one. its for 1st level protection and can handle
a bigger Surge.

Belkins can only limit the surge current to about 10K A
Lightning strike if near your house can cause surge current to about 40K A average.

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post Dec 17 2021, 11:13 AM

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Not sure if this is the right thread or question to ask here.

reading the title and this came to mind. I think our Malaysia's voltage level fluctuates quite widely, from 207 volt to 237 volt (or should I say this is the levels I notice on the power wall meter).

This can't be good right? is there anything that can be done with this?
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post Nov 7 2023, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(westom @ May 17 2021, 11:31 PM)
Learn from your mistake.  That protectors had near zero joules.  Other 'magic' boxes also profit by marketing to the most naive consumers - who ignore all specifications.  Profits are obscene.

How many joules does that Belkin claim to 'block' or 'absorb'.  Honest answers always discuss numbers.

How does its 2 cm protector part 'block' what three kilometers of sky cannot?  Why is that question not being asked?

How does its paltry thousand joules 'absorb' surges that can be hundreds of thousands of joules?  Only effective protectors answer that question.  No plug-in protector does.

Protection only exists when a surge is not anywhere inside.  Protection is always about where hundreds of thousands of joules harmlessly dissipate.  Even that protector remains functional after many direct lightning strikes over many decades.  Which means a protector from other companies know for integrity.  Belkin, Panamax, APC, Tripplite, Monster, etc are not listed.

Effective protectors never try to 'block' or 'absorb' a surge.  Effective protectors are connecting devices to what does all protection.  To what harmlessly dissipates hundreds of thousands of joules.  As Ben Franklin demonstrated over 250 years ago.

Lightning seeks earth ground.  A best connecting device was wooden church steeples.  But wood is not a very conductive material.  Steeple damaged.

Franklin connected a lightning rod to earth ground.  Rod does not do protection.  It only connects to what does all protection - earth ground electrodes.

Lightning seeks earth ground.  A best connecting device is household appliances.  But appliances are not a very conductive connection.  Appliances damaged.

We connect a protector (low impedance - ie less than 3 meters) to earth ground.  Protector does not do protection.  It only connects to what does all protection - earth ground electrodes.

Well proven science was installed and routinely proven even over 100 years ago.  They never wasted money on any magic plug-in box.  They always properly earth 'whole house' protection.  Why do so many today not know any of this.  A massive disinformation campaign is that profitable.

Lightning is typically 20,000 amps.  So a minimal 'whole house' protector is 50,000 amps.  Effective protectors remain functional after every surge.  Only scams fail after one surge.  Fail so that the most naive consumers recommend it and buy more.  To protect profit margins.

Effective protection ALWAYS answers this question.  Where do hundreds of thousands of joules harmlessly dissipate?  Either a hardwire connects low impedance (ie hardwire has no sharp bends or splices) to earthing electrodes.  Or when that low impedance (ie less than 3 meter) hardwire connection is made via a 'whole house' protector.

Obviously wall receptacle safety grounds are not earth ground.  A protector is only as effective as its earth ground.  That Belkin (and those other magic plug-in protectors) clearly does no effective appliance protection. Simply read specification numbers.  But it sure does protect profits.
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Got a question sifu, if you already have proper MCB installed in your db box for your house, do you REALLY still need a surge protector?

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post Nov 10 2023, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(subaiku @ Nov 7 2023, 07:46 PM)
Got a question sifu, if you already have proper MCB installed in your db box for your house, do you REALLY still need a surge protector?
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The person you are replying to, westom, is a weird one
They are on basically every forum out there (including washing machine, cycling) and will always respond to surge protector related queries with his answer

 

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