Its MCO , the circus is not hiring .

Nope , they don't even use the same screen .
We don't get the same TV these Chinese brands release in the US .



Isn't it funny someone posted a bunch of TV models & " review " from the US and you end up getting a completely different line up in Malaysia ?

This post has been edited by Convael: May 12 2021, 04:04 PM

So what's your point ?

Better video processing but worse gradation than Hisense's 8 bit imitation ? ? Do you even know what you are talking about ?




Gradation is typically the strongest point on higher bit TV .

Even if you ignore that fact , You are comparing a 8bit + RFC TV (UQ8F) , a cheap 10 bit imitation with a native 10 bit TV (X90H) ?
That's like saying your car travel faster than NASA's rocket .

Please , do show us your " test results " . And none of those heavily sponsored "review " from certain MOFO channel .

I am sure everyone would like to see how do you literally bypass the law of physics and manage to make an 8 bit screen getting better gradation than native 10 bit in a commercial display industry .



If you want to promote your TV , that is fine . But when you are making outrageous comparison , at the very least remember the specs of your TV , or in this case - win a nobel prize first .

This post has been edited by Convael: May 13 2021, 07:19 AM

I am getting rather sick of many of these so called " influencer " , who are taking big cheques from brands only for positive reviews .

I don't have any problems with people promoting electronics , it is part of the cycle .
But these people should definitely stop reviewing TV . They simply don't know what , where or how to look .


At the same time , some people like OP who doesn't know enough but care enough to go thru half of these review and start joining the club .
This is worrying because it is jeopardizing the professionalism of the industry .


I put together some pictures to show people why a certain MOFO channel is terribly wrong .

A reminder , Pictures / Videos are never a good way to evaluate Picture Quality but in this case one of them is so off the track where you can instantly see the difference .


Let's talk numbers first .
These 2 TVs are in film-maker mode , which means they are in their most accurate preset .




Yellow is the reference , we can see that the QN90A is tracking the PQ EOTF chart fairly well .
While Samsung is not 100% adhering to the standard they have gotten a lot better over the years .

Hisense , on the other hand is completely OFF . They are excessively brightening PQ EOTF standard trying to make an impression.

I am sure many are wondering , isn't brighter better ?
Rtings said so , MOFO said so . Since they measured 1700 nits on both TV yet the U8G is cheaper , it must be better .


Of course that is not the case . The U8G paid dearly by not following the standard.

Accuracy plays an important role in determining Picture Quality .

Let's look at the price U8G paid to keep up with QN90A , beside the $$ they have sent to the influencer's pocket .



Result of overly brighten pictures , Hisense is unable to control its local dimming system efficiently .
Hence you can see raised black floor , shadow details are washed out , contrast ratio also took a big hit .

At the same time , small highlights look less impressive because its surrounding " zones " have reduced dynamic range .
There is no way to fix this , not even via calibration .



There is more .
Let's look at the colors .




Colors look more dynamic , more saturated and eye-popping on the QN90A .
Other the other hand , on the U8G , everything looks like Neon colors .
At the same time , colors look more washed out , some color textures are overlapped .

The difference is even more staggering in real life because of the limited dynamic range a Camera can capture .


In a nut shell , even if two TV have the same specs there are huge difference in how the brand is using their decades of experience to finetune pictures .

Unfortunately the same can't be said for the likes of H... , S.... , HW.. and X .....
Where they spend a majority of their budget into advertisement instead of R&D .

This post has been edited by Convael: May 20 2021, 12:07 PM

Every type of screen mostly label themselves as 178/178 thesedays .

It doesn't necessarily indicates the type of screens they are .

It is just to say you can view their screen up to 178 degree off axis , which doesn't mean crap because they don't tell you how good it looks off-angles.


U8G is VA .

Sometimes the incompetent local dimming , which causes major blooming artifacts and shallow black will convince you otherwise particularly when comparing beside Sony and Samsung's .
It is a textbook example of how you got better hardware yet you score lower than the rivals because you lack the experience .


One more thing , don't read the specification because it listed the TV as having no wide color gamut .

U8G does has WCG , else why would it apply Quantum Dots layers in the TV .

It simply means even their website staff doesn't care enough to list the correct spec sheets for their own TV .

Maybe they should spend some money into actually hiring tech-savvy ppl , instead of paying silly YT channels to shower their TV with absurd compliment .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 6 2021, 02:49 PM

Nah , Hisense UK is just plain wrong.

And not because of the difference of model from different country , they are just wrong .



If you have Quantum Dots , you have WCG .
Yet they still list the WCG as absent in the spec sheets , among other oddities .


One thing that can be sure since all of Hisense 2021 tv is straying away from EOTF , which means their real life performance is going to be worse than entry level TV from big brands .

Clearly shown in the comparison thread I have made from previous page .


Now , I am just waiting for someone to tell me Hisense from different country will use different PQ EOTF standard

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 7 2021, 04:46 PM

What is the purpose of HDMI 2.1 for TV running on 60hz ?

The whole idea of HDMI 2.1 is to support 4K 120 fps content with additional features .

But VRR , ALLM , QMS or even eARC are not exclusive to HDMI 2.1 , they have exist on Samsung and Panasonic TV since HDMI 2.0 .


If they refuse to implement it within the current HDMI 2.0 , it means they don't want to do it . It has nothing to do with regional spec , even if it has HDMI 2.1 it is still a complete waste of resource .





Because they are a review website which gives priority to price tag . Which is exactly what Hisense is about , Cheap price , Cheap Picture Quality .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 15 2021, 02:02 PM

If you have 5k+- to spare , Sony's 65" X90H is still the best bang for your bucks .


Or if you can wait , the newly released 2021 model - X90J will eventually drop to the below 6k .


There are going to be more affordable , 60 HZ OLED TV coming out in the next couple of months as well .
Depend on the pricing , that may also end up to be another spectacular purchase for your wallet .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 15 2021, 10:12 PM

X90J is better , simply because 120 hz > 60 hz . Assuming they are in the same price bracket , of course .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 17 2021, 12:58 PM

If you are going to play the wait game again , you are going to be waiting for a very long time because A80J is fairly new .


At this point , it will come down to if you are planning to play 4k - 120 fps games on your TV .
Or planning to connect it to your PC via 4:4:4 Chroma signals .
Most people don't and most console games with 120 fps options downgrade the resolution down to 1080p .


If you don't , just buy the A8H it is still a great TV .


P/S : looks like we are off topic but if you need to ask me something feel free to tag me over Sony's Post .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jul 1 2021, 05:04 PM

35 ms input lag for 120hz in gaming mode ?
LG and Samsung are getting 5 ms .


Then what is the point of ALLM ?


This post has been edited by Convael: Jul 1 2021, 03:05 PM

What in the world are you going for again ?

What if the OLEDs don't get the 1000 nits ?

The purpose of having high brightness screens , is to have better visibility under strong lights .
But in this case , the cost cutting Hisense models don't nearly have the same anti-glare capability of a fully gloss-coated OLED screen , so the whole point is moot .

No LCD in the world can beat self emissive screen when it comes to sheer picture quality .

At least get your facts right before you preach your Almighty Hisense goodies to the others .

This post has been edited by Convael: Sep 3 2021, 02:36 PM

" Very good " eh ? How convenient .

Why are we not seeing your casual video review spams again ?
Perhaps you forgot to post one ?

Let me remind you .




Let's see , exactly which part did your favorite TV review mentioned " very good " again ?

All I am hearing is mostly " not on par with the other Notable brands " .



This post has been edited by Convael: Jul 30 2021, 12:33 PM

Hello DLSS ?

Looks like someone is a little out of touch with the Gaming industry too thesedays . Not that he was " up to date " with the TV's one to begin with .



You are no calibrator obviously , why are you speaking for the party now ?

They don't know because there is no such rule .

Calibrating TV is not the same as mastering a movie in a grading suite .
If you are doing it for a living , it is your job to calibrate the TV to match the lighting environment of your client , be it a Bright or Dim room , not the other way around .




No , because if that was the case Disney would have re-mastered all of their Star Wars movies again and again for millions of times .

I sincerely don't think you understand the work of Colorist vs Calibrator , while they share some knowledges in the industry their scope of work is entirely different.


Again , please do not speak on things you do not have any clue on . It is almost like a cult here .

This post has been edited by Convael: Feb 24 2022, 02:17 PM