QUOTE(constant_weight @ May 7 2021, 06:22 PM)
I have different opinions.
First frontal collision crash test from basic full frontal to the notorious 25% offset impact (not sure ANCAP has this), the car in particular the A pillar only need to support energy from its own weight. The lighter the car, the less strength the A pillar needs to be to be intact.
Second, we don't know which car designed just to meet the crash test requirement, and which car designed at higher standard since they are not tested at higher speed openly outside the manufacturer lab. So no way a car like Alza can be 4*, more like 1* since so many accidents involved Alza broken into half at B pillars.
Thus I think head on collision in the real world shows the true color. Call me bias, base on my guts and gamble, Iriz would survive better in Iris vs Myvi head on collision.
Another reason, which in this point I do agree with you that don't distracted by the decimals. Because the test is influenced by many things that have nothing to do with my own safety. For example pedestrian protection with soft bumper cover and hood. Half of the driver assist tests are at low speed not to hit the pedestrian and bikers.
Call me selfish, those are less important than how my family and I survive a crash. What I get is merely reduce my repair cost in low speed bump.
I believe we have similar opinions that in the end we are conveying a similar/same message - that safety is indeed a priority in the new Proton cars. With perhaps you able to convey that message better than i did, or maybe from a different perspective to cover from another angle.
to answer on your doubts:
- ANCAP i think no full frontal, only 40% offset. so you can't exactly test the Iriz a pillar strong point either lol (which both cars are fairly unharmed)
- there's documentations (on ANCAP site) on that for donor /test car legitimacy but eh i would rather leave that variable out to save a headache
- my post was worded and structured as such because i do not have other solid objective numbers besides what was pointed out on ANCAP which is the initial trigger on this discussion. However i am calling that out because it simply does not make sense (at least to me) to call a car safe (or otherwise) over another car when both of them score about the same points, both at 5 stars, despite being tested on 2 different standards (2014 vs 2017 -2020, which hopefully both cars go through the new 2021-2025 standards)
going back to my post, i did urged him 2 major things:
1) look out for real world post crash aftermath between Iriz and Myvi
a key take away: one is a year 2014 car another is 2017, shouldn't the 2017 be better and safer?
2) do braking test on the 2 cars. littlefire
focused on crash worthiness, however i took a step ahead and put out a point - why not prevent the crash altogether? i am a firm believer the Iriz will fare a MUCH HIGHER chance in crash prevention with far superior brakes and dampers. even both on the SAME EXACT tires same exact brand model size.
and of course being open minded but who am i kidding over an internet forum lol!