QUOTE(chuan30378 @ Jun 9 2021, 11:03 PM)
and that's the death of the manual transmission./salute
Proton Saga vs Proton Persona vs Beeza, Which one worth to buy ?
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Jun 10 2021, 03:51 AM
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Jun 10 2021, 04:26 AM
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Jun 10 2021, 05:35 AM
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Jun 10 2021, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE(chuan30378 @ Jun 9 2021, 11:03 PM) well, good for us existing owners. now we can buy 16" original rims. and PnP onto our car. hoho.same goes for the LED lamp. i think the brackets should be the same (i replaced my boot with the FL boot because i got rear ended) i personally think the foglamp is useful during VERY heavy downpour (or to revenge against vios that dunno why just love to turn on their rear fog lamps on normal days), will miss that. the front sensor.. not a loss. persona sensor is delayed to begin with. i rarely use the sensor. jealous of the 16" spare tire though. hope it's not a space saver like the current models. not a fan of space savers. QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 10 2021, 03:51 AM) that is truly depressing.. manuals are truly a joy to drive. glad i managed to buy the manual variant. (i kinda foresee it's going to be hard to find a manual in the future, hence i was adamant to buy a manual car this time.. i used to drive auto for 9 years and finally decided to swap to manual)though the next ride after this, will be auto since i think 5-7 years down the road, there won't be another upgrade option for manual cars - vios no more manual - civic type r no longer for sale - toyota 86 / subaru brz i think no longer for sale too - hyundai i30n is a limited edition run i think - not sure if they will bring in the new platform of wrx sti then again, these are almost 300k mark.. from 40k+ -> 300k+ is quite a huge jump. dun think i can afford those so soon either. Quazacolt liked this post
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Jun 10 2021, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE(dogbert_chew @ Jun 10 2021, 04:26 AM) Yup, for Persona. Year but those cars only have manual on their bare bone models. Last time I really eager to get Saga manual but it lacks many things that the more premium variants have so I opted for Saga premium.Budget cars Axia, Saga still available. Not sure about the Iriz though. Else get the trucks still plenty across various makes. Or move to Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand.. Not sure why car companies think that manual drivers are cheapskate drivers. |
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Jun 10 2021, 07:16 PM
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QUOTE(ru40342 @ Jun 10 2021, 02:52 PM) Car manufacturers build according to market demand.Unfortunately in Malaysia, the demographics for local brands sway almost exclusively towards automatic/ CVTs. It is a different story in say Indonesia. |
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Jun 10 2021, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE(ru40342 @ Jun 10 2021, 02:52 PM) Year but those cars only have manual on their bare bone models. Last time I really eager to get Saga manual but it lacks many things that the more premium variants have so I opted for Saga premium. Remember Iriz 1.6 Manual? Proton go ahead with this hoping that people will keep to their words when they say they will only buy manual. Alas their sales figure is so disappointing they have to halt the production for that.Not sure why car companies think that manual drivers are cheapskate drivers. 99% of people out there, at least in Malaysia, prefer auto, sad for car enthusiast but that's how it is. Quazacolt liked this post
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Jun 11 2021, 07:03 AM
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QUOTE(tctham @ Jun 10 2021, 02:20 PM) the front sensor.. not a loss. persona sensor is delayed to begin with. i rarely use the sensor. the front sensor is probably still available for the E/P variants, only standard is removed.that is truly depressing.. manuals are truly a joy to drive. glad i managed to buy the manual variant. (i kinda foresee it's going to be hard to find a manual in the future, hence i was adamant to buy a manual car this time.. i used to drive auto for 9 years and finally decided to swap to manual) though the next ride after this, will be auto since i think 5-7 years down the road, there won't be another upgrade option for manual cars - toyota 86 / subaru brz i think no longer for sale too then again, these are almost 300k mark.. from 40k+ -> 300k+ is quite a huge jump. dun think i can afford those so soon either. yes i do agree, that's why i YOLO'd and drive the car i am driving now. similarly to you i was driving auto too since getting my license from a hand me down Iswara. only 2012, ~9 years later i managed to have a Manual kancil and that's when i fell in love for the manual transmission as well. well, i don't think you need to despair if your timeline is within 5-7 years? 86 BRZ already released 2nd generation and manual is 100% confirmed. albeit if officially sold in Malaysia (which i think it will, seeing how the GR Yaris completely sold out on its Malaysian allocation), it'll be well over 300k and the 2.4 liters engine will be a bit more expensive for annual road tax renewals. worst case if it isn't officially sold in Malaysia, there's still recond imports never say never 10, or even as close as 5 years ago I wouldn't have dream of driving the I am driving now either |
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Jun 13 2021, 10:50 PM
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Personally own a saga blm (se) edition back in 2009, likes the handling of that car, felt heavy down the road (quite stable) definitely better than bezza. But oh boi that car drink fuel.
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Jun 13 2021, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE(blmse92 @ Jun 13 2021, 10:50 PM) Personally own a saga blm (se) edition back in 2009, likes the handling of that car, felt heavy down the road (quite stable) definitely better than bezza. But oh boi that car drink fuel. Hi Bro, thx for the comment, if compare with Bezza, sure Saga more likely is drink more fuel , but still ok rite , no very thirsty la |
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Jun 14 2021, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE(chuan30378 @ Jun 13 2021, 11:16 PM) Hi Bro, thx for the comment, if compare with Bezza, sure Saga more likely is drink more fuel , but still ok rite , no very thirsty la heh~ my old saga blm (auto 1.3 2009) drink more fuel than my persona vvt (manual 1.6 2018)if highway, just moderate. if jam, that car really drinks. |
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Jun 14 2021, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE(tctham @ Jun 14 2021, 09:18 AM) heh~ my old saga blm (auto 1.3 2009) drink more fuel than my persona vvt (manual 1.6 2018) off course auto drinks more fuel than manual la, moreover, the car is so old compared to new one, 10 years difference, sure la old car if not maintained properly consumes more fuel.if highway, just moderate. if jam, that car really drinks. |
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Jun 14 2021, 09:33 AM
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QUOTE(chuan30378 @ Jun 13 2021, 11:16 PM) Hi Bro, thx for the comment, if compare with Bezza, sure Saga more likely is drink more fuel , but still ok rite , no very thirsty la Bigger cc car not necessarily consume more fuel like most people believe. If engine is lower power, the gear ration is increased that the rpm is higher to ease the load to engine. Higher rpm means more fuel.My 1.5 MyVi is significantly uses less fuel than my previous Axia. My rough evaluation comparing 1L and 2L engine on highway 1.5L engine around 5L/100km @ 80km/h 2L engine around 6.2L/100km @ 80km/h |
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Jun 14 2021, 09:54 AM
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QUOTE(matrix88 @ Jun 14 2021, 09:22 AM) off course auto drinks more fuel than manual la, moreover, the car is so old compared to new one, 10 years difference, sure la old car if not maintained properly consumes more fuel. I agree on this but someone in blm saga group once saids 'Saga blm 1.3 litre if 100% city jam, it does drink fuel like a 2.0 litre car' GG! |
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Jun 14 2021, 10:48 AM
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QUOTE(matrix88 @ Jun 14 2021, 09:22 AM) off course auto drinks more fuel than manual la, moreover, the car is so old compared to new one, 10 years difference, sure la old car if not maintained properly consumes more fuel. actually if you drove the saga blm, you will know what i mean about the fuel consumption. if 100% city jam, it's about 7-9km /L. About 240-270km, and the fuel low indicator will come up.even at highway, it's only around 10-11km/L even amongst its competitors, there's not many cars with FC that poor, even those with bigger cc engines. that was my main gripe about the car back then. (poor fc -> makes a petrol station trip every 4 days because of weekday jam, poor standstill acceleration -> fear during junction exit, lack of abs -> emergency maneuver, pair with its stock silverstone, the car slides around a lot) QUOTE(blmse92 @ Jun 14 2021, 09:54 AM) I agree on this but someone in blm saga group once saids 'Saga blm 1.3 litre if 100% city jam, it does drink fuel like a 2.0 litre car' GG! yes, i've seen other cars with 2.0L engine, and their FC is better than mine. haha |
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Jun 14 2021, 11:06 AM
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QUOTE(tctham @ Jun 14 2021, 10:48 AM) actually if you drove the saga blm, you will know what i mean about the fuel consumption. if 100% city jam, it's about 7-9km /L. About 240-270km, and the fuel low indicator will come up. Agreed. My Mazda 6 2.2D FC is better than my Saga FLX 1.6 SE & also Persona VVT 1.6 😅even at highway, it's only around 10-11km/L even amongst its competitors, there's not many cars with FC that poor, even those with bigger cc engines. that was my main gripe about the car back then. (poor fc -> makes a petrol station trip every 4 days because of weekday jam, poor standstill acceleration -> fear during junction exit, lack of abs -> emergency maneuver, pair with its stock silverstone, the car slides around a lot) yes, i've seen other cars with 2.0L engine, and their FC is better than mine. haha Even in 100% city driving 🤦♂️ |
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Jun 14 2021, 11:14 PM
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QUOTE(amscouzach57 @ Jun 14 2021, 11:06 AM) Agreed. My Mazda 6 2.2D FC is better than my Saga FLX 1.6 SE & also Persona VVT 1.6 😅 I believe however also, we must accept Nippon car is sure good in fuel consumption if compare other country one, City , Vios , Mazda all in their technology always in the mind of public their are leading in fuel consumption , this is truth Even in 100% city driving 🤦♂️ |
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Jun 15 2021, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE(pixelrider @ Jun 10 2021, 11:44 AM) Remember Iriz 1.6 Manual? Proton go ahead with this hoping that people will keep to their words when they say they will only buy manual. Alas their sales figure is so disappointing they have to halt the production for that. Best is if they can build car on demand instead of keeping stocks.99% of people out there, at least in Malaysia, prefer auto, sad for car enthusiast but that's how it is. Make manual car available only if the customers want to buy |
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Jun 15 2021, 07:20 PM
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Jun 15 2021, 07:28 PM
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Glad I get to experience 5MT with hydraulic clutch from Persona VVT, I guess Malaysian don't have the fate to get a taste of 6MT on common car Quazacolt liked this post
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