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post May 3 2021, 05:36 PM, updated 5y ago

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Hi guys, can i have a suggestion on what to get for my next rig (if possible more towards AMD parts as my company will allow me to get some sort of rebate), my current rig is giving problem, not sure whats the issue 2 ssd corrupted, 2 HDD gone as well.


Intel core i5 4460
Asrock H97M anniversary Motherboard
Kingston Hyperx Fury 8GB 1600MHZ DDR3 Ram (Black)
Palit GTX950 Stormx 2g GDDR5
WD Caviar BLue 1TB
Corsair VS550W Power SUpply
Techware F3 Casing


planned to just keep my GPU as i dont see it a point changing that.

i dont game alot with this rig, mainly for office use, type n send, some very light video editting and i guess thats all. i have a budget of around RM2.5k

thinking to get maybe

Ryzen 5 5600X
MSI MPG B550
any brand SSD
1tb HDD
corsair CV550

This post has been edited by Vio: May 3 2021, 05:46 PM
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QUOTE(Vio @ May 3 2021, 05:36 PM)
Hi guys, can i have a suggestion on what to get for my next rig (if possible more towards AMD parts as my company will allow me to get some sort of rebate), my current rig is giving problem, not sure whats the issue 2 ssd corrupted, 2 HDD gone as well.
Intel core i5 4460        
Asrock H97M anniversary Motherboard    
Kingston Hyperx Fury 8GB 1600MHZ DDR3 Ram (Black)  
Palit GTX950 Stormx 2g GDDR5      
WD Caviar BLue 1TB       
Corsair VS550W Power SUpply     
Techware F3 Casing      
planned to just keep my GPU as i dont see it a point changing that.

i dont game alot with this rig, mainly for office use, type n send, some very light video editting and i guess thats all. i have a budget of around RM2.5k

thinking to get maybe

Ryzen 5 5600X
MSI MPG B550
any brand SSD
1tb HDD
corsair CV550
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after doing research recently, seems like the value award goes to Intel right now


some useful buyers guides for 2021, if u r lookin for urself

How Much Does Your Motherboard Affect Performance?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvyQXkFUe3E


Does Ram Speed REALLY matter? You might be surprised
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjbNhCHwlBo


Best RAM Ryzen 5000. Best Memory for Ryzen 5600X, 5800X, 5900X, 5950X
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZwP4GNtaS0



*very important info in regards to the windows 11 tpm requirement

Security Expert Explains TPM 2.0 & Secure Boot | Ask A PC Expert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRFnOh_pqX8

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/...h_b550_and_tpm/



AMD B550... worth the compromises over X570?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGtgGw7roUY



Best Ryzen 5000 Motherboard [2021] | Best Motherboard for Ryzen 5600X, 5800X, 5900X, & 5950X CPUs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ydsgVothug


It's EASY to spend too much on PC parts... Here's where to save money!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdsaTRBZePw


3200 vs 3600 vs 4000MHz RAM Ryzen 5 5600X Zen 3 Ryzen 5000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=codYA_UHVtU

Intel’s Desktop TDPs No Longer Useful to Predict CPU Power Consumption
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/31940...wer-consumption

Beginners Guide to Power Supplies... How to understand the ratings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUh2EZzJZRU

Intel's Fatal Flaw: Poor CPU Platform Support - Alder Lake Discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNVJYOkm6zs

i5-12600K vs R5 5600X — Which Should You Buy? — 12th Gen Alder Lake Launch Review
https://youtu.be/uP_2A3Zwzi8

Guess what GPUs and DDR5 have in common - Tech News Nov 28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOXViFfoOg0

Intel's 12th Gen Alder Lake CPU - Tech's Thoughts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAxBMHaUXxE

12600K on a Budget - Testing DDR4, Overclocking and a “Cheap” Z690 Motherboard!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0p7ICPy224

Intel Core i7-12700K - making the i9 look silly!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5-AZReX1kQ

Before You Build a Gaming PC in Late 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO50NwIBhp4

Intel Core i5-11400 Review - NOT as Good as you Think!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJjAf9yQkVI


Intel Core i7-12700K & 12700KF CPU Review, Benchmarks, & Efficiency vs. AMD Ryzen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B14h25fKMpY


Best CPUs of 2021 (Gaming, Workstation, Budget, & Disappointment)
https://youtu.be/7_ZAdsAUN7s


Best Z690 Motherboard for Intel Alder Lake | Best Motherboard for i5 12600K, i7 12700K, i9 12900K
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkDWw7U65nA


if anyone is planning to get an AMD X570 motherboard, there are now the passive revisions using the new chipset that doesn't require a fan cooler for the chip.

e.g. ASUS ROG STRIX X570-E Gaming WIFI II (also refered to as revision 2 for the original)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/powlr...ith_dynamic_oc/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFPEzvrxjKc


Some of the other brands have theirs labelled as X570S as an indicator they are using passive cooling for the chipset aka no active fan cooler.



In summary this is the current situation price wise
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This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Nov 29 2021, 05:39 PM
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post Nov 29 2021, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(Vio @ May 3 2021, 05:36 PM)
Hi guys, can i have a suggestion on what to get for my next rig (if possible more towards AMD parts as my company will allow me to get some sort of rebate), my current rig is giving problem, not sure whats the issue 2 ssd corrupted, 2 HDD gone as well.
Intel core i5 4460        
Asrock H97M anniversary Motherboard    
Kingston Hyperx Fury 8GB 1600MHZ DDR3 Ram (Black)  
Palit GTX950 Stormx 2g GDDR5      
WD Caviar BLue 1TB       
Corsair VS550W Power SUpply     
Techware F3 Casing      
planned to just keep my GPU as i dont see it a point changing that.

i dont game alot with this rig, mainly for office use, type n send, some very light video editting and i guess thats all. i have a budget of around RM2.5k

thinking to get maybe

Ryzen 5 5600X
MSI MPG B550
any brand SSD
1tb HDD
corsair CV550
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in short, the best bang for buck pc system right now is an Intel i5 12600k paired with a DDR4 Z690 motherboard (this is under the assumption you don't want to pay a premium for DDR5 ram, nor do you need PCIE 5, also you don't mind a lower end motherboard that just gets the job done)




This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Nov 29 2021, 05:39 PM
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post Nov 29 2021, 05:43 PM

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If you plan on getting a ryzen 5600x, this should be based on whether you can get a cheaper deal compared to the Intel recommendation. Otherwise you will be getting less for your bang for buck. The Intel are giving you more cores and threads for a good price, so it's hard to turn that down.

That said, just be aware that Intels hybrid system has some sort of issue right now inregards to DRM. Some games may not work on the system until that gets resolved, so before you do get an Intel, check if there is gonna be any issues or not.

Another consideration, do you need your new system right now? because there is a new AMD gen coming out early next year in 2022.


Although i am unsure how expensive parts will be by then, i can only imagine it getting worse.


Personally i just ordered an X570 paired with an AMD ryzen 5600X for myself recently. If i had done more research, i would have probly have gone for the Intel perhaps hmm.gif That said i'm ok with the performance of the Ryzen, so i don't particularly feel too bad about it. DDR5, PCIE 5, don't particularly have an urgency for that. And gaming wise, both the Intel and AMD get the job done. that said, the consensus by tech reviewers, is that if you plan to buy a new pc system, then the Intel is the way to go. But if you have an AM4 motherboard, then ya u could argue to reuse your motherboard and stick to an AMD cpu.

if ur budget is low, for AMD then skip the X570 and go for a B550. Check the pricing first. You can go shopee and see cpu + motherboard combo deals.


graphics card no need to buy new one, just reuse the old one, save yourself money. right now they r all overpriced not worth getting graphics card if u can help it. i myself am using a 1080gtx which is good enuff for 1080p gaming.


if you need a good cheap cpu fan cooler, i highly recommend the scythe Fuma 2. but u said for work not gaming? maybe u dont want to spend for extras, maybe stick to stock cooler i guess?


1tb hdd seems too little. i recommend 4tb at least. If you require a 24/7 hdd, then there are drives like seagate ironwolf non pro drives, but if you r fine with desktop drives *rated for 8 hours continous usage, then you can get those instead since they may be cheaper. problem is your budget.... might not be enuff to get the capacity size i am proposing when tallying in cpu and motherboard hmm.gif Really up to u to decide if u want to spend for this amount of storage. Personally i buy the storage that can last me the next 5+ years based on my own usage.

for ram on new system i suggest DDR4 CL16 3200mhz or 3600mhz. capacity size either 16gb (8gbx2) or 32gb (16gbx2), up to u. personally i prefer 32gb. If you want to save money u can get the value ram by these good brands such as crucial, corsair, kingston, g.skill.

If you want to splurge on ram (although if you are trying to save money this is not recommended), then something like G.SKILL Trident Z Neo DDR4 is nice. But the most important thing is get the specs i recommended, beyond that not really important, just get the cheapest good brand ram based on those specs.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Nov 30 2021, 06:15 AM
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post Nov 29 2021, 05:51 PM

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Another consideration is which SSD to get. There has been a slew of scandals of SSD brands who had quietly switched parts thus releasin WORSE revisions of their products. So good reviews of a product may not reflect these new revisions of the ssds. here are some examples

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/...sd_performance/

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/sam...-evo-plus-ssds/

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/pny-xlr8-...most-80-percent



So after research i see some SSDs that did not have these kinds of drama (YET)

SK Hynix P31
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sk-hyn...nvme-ssd-review


Crucial P5 Plus
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crucia...nvme-ssd-review


T-FORCE Team Group CARDEA A440
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/9853/team...-ssd/index.html



The Hynix is good for laptops due to power efficiency. For Gen4 M.2 SSD i like the t-force cardea A440. you can check prices and the reviews see which meets ur requirements. but generally speaking people think a gen3 ssd is good enuff.

For OS you should get a 1tb SSD MINIMUM. don't bother with anything below that capacity size. even if you are buying for low budget. spend extra if u have to.


This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Nov 29 2021, 09:18 PM
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On shopee they have an

Intel I5 12600k with a Gigabyte Z690 UD AX motherboard for RM2,668

However it's a DDR5 motherboard. So for this build, you would have to pay the premium on a DDR5 ram....


alternative to that motherboard is the Asus TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS WIFI D4 which has DDR4 ram support. This motherboard including the I5 12600k on shopee is RM2,768.88

Yes it's a bit more expensive than the gigabyte but when you have to buy the ram, you can buy the cheaper ddr4 vs the more expensive DDR5 ram.

Maybe there are cheaper Z690 ddr4 motherboards out there, you can look yourself.



Another reviewers opinion suggested getting an I7 12700k if you want your system to last longer. However this will increase the cost to your existing budget.
https://youtu.be/uP_2A3Zwzi8



go here and add your parts to check compatibility and to get a price quote (roughly)
https://pcpartpicker.com/


This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Nov 29 2021, 06:53 PM
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post Dec 2 2021, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Nov 29 2021, 06:43 PM)
On shopee they have an

Intel I5 12600k with a Gigabyte Z690 UD AX motherboard for RM2,668

However it's a DDR5 motherboard. So for this build, you would have to pay the premium on a DDR5 ram....
alternative to that motherboard is the Asus TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS WIFI D4 which has DDR4 ram support. This motherboard including the I5 12600k on shopee is RM2,768.88

Yes it's a bit more expensive than the gigabyte but when you have to buy the ram, you can buy the cheaper ddr4 vs the more expensive DDR5 ram.

Maybe there are cheaper Z690 ddr4 motherboards out there, you can look yourself.
Another reviewers opinion suggested getting an I7 12700k if you want your system to last longer. However this will increase the cost to your existing budget.
https://youtu.be/uP_2A3Zwzi8
go here and add your parts to check compatibility and to get a price quote (roughly)
https://pcpartpicker.com/
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thank you, i appreciate the thoroughly explanation. Unfortunately ive already purchased my rig way back in May.

How i wished i delayed my purchase cry.gif
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post Dec 3 2021, 06:47 AM

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QUOTE(Vio @ Dec 2 2021, 08:27 PM)
thank you, i appreciate the thoroughly explanation. Unfortunately ive already purchased my rig way back in May.

How i wished i delayed my purchase  cry.gif
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sorry to hear that.

well you're in the same boat as me sort of.

this is your system right?
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Ryzen 5 5600X
MSI MPG B550
any brand SSD
1tb HDD
corsair CV550


well ur only using it for office work, so it should be alright so don't beat yourself up over it. also back in May we did not have the alder back then anyway. There is always going to be something new, heck, had i waited until next year, i could have bought the new amd ryzen gen. but i needed a pc now and i'm not too optimistic about pc parts getting cheaper in the near future (but i could be wrong). and a lot of the tech like pcie3, ddr4, even current cpu usage (for 1080p gaming anyway) is all quite capable as is.

from your list, if the specs meets your requirements it should be fine. A b550 board for a ryzen5 5600x is not bad, although now i hear that jumping up to the 5800x at current prices might not be a bad idea if u plan to stick to the ryzen platform. but at this point, don't worry about it, that is just nitpicking. the 5600x is still good.


If you're interested to know, this is the rig i got recently used for both work, gaming and just general use. but as you can see, my budget, my requirements are different than yours
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...#entry103016537

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