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post Apr 20 2021, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(BillCollector @ Apr 20 2021, 12:31 PM)
You forgot to add SPRM and PDRM to that list.

My reply would be :-

eh eh lama tak jumpa.

Hari ini nak buka puasa kat mana ya?
Yes as I have a company set up in Singapore for this purpose.
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If you arent using residential area with residential tariffs for large scale mining they wont disturb you.

But an interesting test case would be industrial (not commercial) area mining. Industrial rates are cheaper than commercial with off peak discounts to encourage ...well industry. I dont think bit coin mining can be considered as such

So my friend...where is your farm? biggrin.gif
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post Apr 20 2021, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(Songlap @ Apr 20 2021, 12:35 PM)
wow thanks

both same company?  laugh.gif
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There are many such companies in Singapore.

You don't necessarily have to start one as there's plenty about for sale too.

I've been using a SG company for trading and receiving income for many years else the tax is too high.
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post Apr 20 2021, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Apr 20 2021, 07:57 AM)
Only income from trading are taxable. Those who bought earlier is consider capital gain i think.
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local share market, commodities gains is not taxable.

overseas crypto i'm not sure.

i have overseas bank acocunt for my overseas trade. I dont convert it back to RM.
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post Apr 20 2021, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Apr 20 2021, 12:25 PM)
open a pvt ltd in singapore. sell your crypto and money masuk singapore company.

first $100,000 profit tax = 4.25%

$100,001 to 200,000 profit tax = 8.5%

around RM600,000 only max 8.5%.

in msia, first RM500,000 profit already 17%.  mega_shok.gif
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so high?

Big company in SG under certain scheme only get taxed 5% despite billions in turnover biggrin.gif
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post Apr 20 2021, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(BillCollector @ Apr 20 2021, 12:11 PM)
Doesn't look genuine to me.

I think its made by some gamer who's upset he can't afford a graphics card.

That's one of the reasons why I don't use Luno or any of the SEC approved crypto trading platforms.

I trade through Singapore where the tax is lower and at least the taxes paid isn't wasted on making another crony wealthier.

Mining? Catch me if you can.
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That’s bullshit bro. Unless you are a citizen in Singapore, you pay taxes in your home country. Even if you trade in Singapore, you need to declare taxes Malaysia.

Just like an American expat working in KL who pays taxes to the American government and not to Malaysia.
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post Apr 20 2021, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(Songlap @ Apr 20 2021, 12:35 PM)
wow thanks

both same company?  laugh.gif
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whatchu mean? confused.gif

QUOTE(MeToo @ Apr 20 2021, 12:40 PM)
so high?

Big company in SG under certain scheme only get taxed 5% despite billions in turnover  biggrin.gif
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under certain scheme that is deemed worthy ma. i don't think i can find any scheme under crypto yet lol

last time 2016/2017 lagi best wey. first $100,000 no tax at all.

open multiple pvt ltd, sell crypto max $100,000 each company, no tax. declare as dividend to director (again, not tax on dividend like MY which is witholding tax).

MY sdn bhd if reached RM500,000 need register for SST/GST. for singapore, hit $1mil baru apply GST/SST/VAT.

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post Apr 20 2021, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(friedricetheman @ Apr 20 2021, 01:46 PM)
That’s bullshit bro. Unless you are a citizen in Singapore, you pay taxes in your home country. Even if you trade in Singapore, you need to declare taxes Malaysia.

Just like an American expat working in KL who pays taxes to the American government and not to Malaysia.
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thats personal tax la, if company follow the country i suppose.
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post Apr 20 2021, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(lukaka @ Apr 20 2021, 07:05 AM)
if lost, can we claim back the money?
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U rugi u tanggung......
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post Apr 20 2021, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Apr 20 2021, 12:48 PM)
whatchu mean?  confused.gif
under certain scheme that is deemed worthy ma. i don't think i can find any scheme under crypto yet lol

last time 2016/2017 lagi best wey. first $100,000 no tax at all.

open multiple pvt ltd, sell crypto max $100,000 each company, no tax. declare as dividend to director (again, not tax on dividend like MY which is witholding tax).

MY sdn bhd if reached RM500,000 need register for SST/GST. for singapore, hit $1mil baru apply GST/SST/VAT.

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Not only company tax.

Even employee income tax also Msia value nearly double SG side for most ppl. Unless u earning millions then it works out to be more or less even...
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post Apr 20 2021, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Apr 20 2021, 12:50 PM)
Not only company tax.

Even employee income tax also Msia value nearly double SG side for most ppl. Unless u earning millions then it works out to be more or less even...
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in planning actually. brows.gif

talking to some firms in singapork and see how they do it. brows.gif i believe the regulation there is more knowledgeable compared to here.
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post Apr 20 2021, 12:53 PM

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Under declared, IRB have no direct access to bank record
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QUOTE(il0ve51 @ Apr 20 2021, 12:50 PM)
thats personal tax la, if company follow the country i suppose.
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That assquake/ass collector i was replying to was referring to personal tax from trading gains.
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post Apr 20 2021, 12:55 PM

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Haha, 20 pages inkambing.....

Lotsa crypto pppl in /k

This post has been edited by Hobbez: Apr 20 2021, 12:55 PM
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post Apr 20 2021, 12:55 PM

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this is when large crypto traders who made a windfall should watch breaking bad on how to detergent your money

open shell company, and payout small amounts monthly laugh.gif
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post Apr 20 2021, 12:56 PM

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Parked it in SG or TH lah bodo.
You bring back to Malaysia via Malaysia banking/Financial system sure will triggered the LHDN.

This post has been edited by ApocalypseSoon: Apr 20 2021, 12:56 PM
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coinminers that steals electric should be punished. thats all
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QUOTE(Stirmling @ Apr 20 2021, 07:10 AM)
Good
Ikankering can open new factory to mine coins
No more spm workers.
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post Apr 20 2021, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(crecar @ Apr 20 2021, 11:39 AM)
the problem is not crypto tax

the problem is who can do crypto tax for me in accordance to LHDN requirements

i ask two small account/tax company and they dont know, so who know? can LHDN do crypto tax for me?

i put my profits in USDT, is it taxed? or it get taxed only when the money transfer to my bank account?
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I can do for you but the fee/charges is not cheap.
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post Apr 20 2021, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Apr 20 2021, 12:25 PM)
open a pvt ltd in singapore. sell your crypto and money masuk singapore company.

first $100,000 profit tax = 4.25%

$100,001 to 200,000 profit tax = 8.5%

around RM600,000 only max 8.5%.

in msia, first RM500,000 profit already 17%.  mega_shok.gif
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If you mine it in Malaysia, you still need to pay tax.
Even if you transfer your crypto to your SG company and sell it in SG.
You can read this under transfer pricing in IRB's public ruling.

So far, what I can say. Even though people have the perception that Malaysia's civil service is incompetent.
However, their taxation department is actually very effective in countering loopholes and tax avoidance icon_idea.gif
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post Apr 20 2021, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(Computer^freak @ Apr 20 2021, 01:45 PM)
If you mine it in Malaysia, you still need to pay tax.
Even if you transfer your crypto to your SG company and sell it in SG.
You can read this under transfer pricing in IRB's public ruling.

So far, what I can say. Even though people have the perception that Malaysia's civil service is incompetent.
However, their taxation department is actually very effective in countering loopholes and tax avoidance  icon_idea.gif
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many bravo in lowyat to recommend such.

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