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Takudan
post Jun 14 2021, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(Qanxia @ Jun 12 2021, 04:08 PM)
anyone facing this issue? I deposit RM500 and receive 0.34 units in notification. But in actual in transaction only show 0.29 units.
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QUOTE(tsutsugami86 @ Jun 12 2021, 11:44 PM)
The 0.34 is the distribution you received, it should be RM 0.34 not in units.

The distribution(RM 0.34) reinvested then you get 0.29 units.
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Hey there. I'm seeing similar issue:

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12 June notification says I got 1.02 units, but
10 June transaction says .87 units acquired

What's more, I just did some calculations on my earning since it's been exactly a month I entered:
RM 1.99 gain with RM 1500 means 1.592% interest p.a.
This is worse than 1 month tenure FD!

FYI, unit nav is 1501.99 ÷ 1282.44 = RM 1.17119709 each
I earned 0.87+0.98=1.85 units, so that means I got RM 2.16671462
This translates to 1.7333717% interest p.a. slightly better, but FD has periodical promotions that offer higher.

So is Versa not that great after all?

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post Jun 14 2021, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jun 14 2021, 09:03 PM)
Wait until Wednesday as unit price adjustment has not been completed yet after payout when the new price is 1.1713 which after adjustment which means more units at a lower price

Your final readjusted is RM1502.12 which is 1.696% pa which is simple interest not compounded by fornightly payout which is higher at 2.08% pa
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Idk about that Wednesday adjustment... I'll hold on to your word until next weekend then.
How did you get RM 2.12? I tried 1.85 unit * 1.1713 = 2.166905, translates to 1.733524%p.a. is still nothing impressive to me..
And where did you get 2.08% p.a. fortnightly payout? This app is fancy with its growing tree and all, but the interest/unit calculations are confusing af...

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 14 2021, 09:58 PM)
FD cannot withdraw anytime you like. You withdraw prior maturity, no interest.
Versa can withdraw anytime you like and still get interest. Big difference.
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Does that mean a midweek withdrawal is still eligible for a pro-rated interest? Sounds good, but my expectation for Versa is "better than FD short term investment", for me to accumulate my bullets for overseas investment... For emergency funds, I stick to FD for its best liquidity.
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post Jun 18 2021, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jun 16 2021, 06:16 PM)
Update your app to the latest version since there is bugs on the earlier version

Pricing today has been reflected as 1.1714 so your amount is already been readjusted
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Checked Playstore, Versa last update was 9 June so that probably shouldn't be the issue here. I guess it's just their pricing update delay...

QUOTE(DragonReine @ Jun 18 2021, 11:38 AM)
Yes, as you're selling the units in MMF at higher NAV, so technically you're cashing in on the pro-rated profit before they actually give it to you in the official payout/distribution.

I've been tracking my Versa since February and comparing to my 1-month auto-renewal FD in Affin, and Versa does actually give slightly more due to compounding and overall higher interest (at around 1.9% p.a.), which is decent considering the relative liquidity, without the hassle of "hitting goals" like for high yield savings accounts. For short term cash storage it's a decent vehicle.

You can track the underlying fund here actually: https://my.morningstar.com/my/report/fund/p...px?t=0P00008ME1 without reading too hard into Versa's way of tracking which is confusing as hell.
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The website only has 2 decimal points, unfortunately not helpful to my puny amount tracking lol.

Just checking in today, my account sits at 1502.38/1282.44 units, which translates to pricing of 1.1715012, 1.904% p.a. Indeed looking a lot better... But the ever changing value is confusing and it's giving a perception that I can lose money 😵 does this mean the NAV can only stay or go up in price? Else if it can go down then I assume we should be given equivalent units in return, because my understanding of Versa is like any MMF, there is no negative return.
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post Jun 23 2021, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jun 19 2021, 04:40 AM)
It is part of their pricing mechanism which is normal because most MMF are priced in order to extract the profit to payout early

Your calculations are wrong because are using simple method just like FD when the yearly rate is currently at 2.09% after compounded every fortnight because it is not a simple interest calculation  doh.gif

NAV price will go down readjusted but you gain in units as the payout is given as unit basis

Even GO+ only can tracked 2 decimal points when the payout reaches rm0.01

In Versa if you’re are holding term just check every fortnight on Wednesday or Thursday on your units holdings will do
Deposit during long weekends and public holiday eve to gain overnight interest with every rm100 will be rm0.01 interest
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Thanks for pointing out about the compounding interest calculation; indeed not a fair comparison to FD then. taking my example (at a 1-month mark so far) however, I am still not getting a 2.09% like you say, can you please show me how you get it?

To keep my calculations simpler, I'm assuming the fortnightly interest to be 1.904% compounding p.a. although that was based on monthly calc. My current calculation returns 1.9215% simple p.a. Breakdown:
There are 52/2 = 26 fortnights in a year
Fortnightly rate, 1 + (0.01904/26) = 1.0007323076923076923076923076923
Annualized, 1.0007323076923076923076923076923^26 = 1.0192153146108898918543119717508

I'm considering to compare other short-term investments so I want to fully understand if I'm using the right methods to calculate.
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post Jul 6 2021, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Jul 6 2021, 12:18 PM)
Is 13 May 2021 a payout day in May ?
How come the NAV did not drop after payout ?
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CMIIW, the payout day should be based on your deposit date. I deposited on 14th May so I can't compare, but looking at my payout, I think it's been a consistent ~14-day cycle
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post Aug 2 2021, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(cr7jyej @ Aug 2 2021, 12:28 PM)
Sad early adopters gets nothing
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Got lah, if you invite friends and family
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post Jan 27 2022, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Jan 27 2022, 05:49 PM)
Affin Bank sells asset management arm to CVC Capital Partners for over RM2b, say sources | The Edge Markets

KUALA LUMPUR (Jan 27): Affin Bank Bhd is said to have clinched a cash deal to sell its asset management arm, Affin Hwang Asset Management Bhd (Affin Hwang AM), the banking group’s crown jewel.

The price tag is believed to be in the range of RM2.3 billion to RM2.6 billion cash, according to sources.

Private equity fund CVC Capital Partners is among the interested parties wanting to take over Affin Hwang AM, whose asset under management has grown to RM81 billion as at end-2021.

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Hmmm how should I take this news as a Versa user? Life goes on, wait and see if there'll be changes to the interest or payout structure? 🤔
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post Sep 2 2022, 06:44 PM

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Kinda skeptical about their rate .. cuz the last time I tried calculating, the effective interest macam lower than marketed. Granted, my calculation could've been wrong...
Anyone else cross checked before?

Just saying, in case anyone's thinking about transferring from KDI... Might not be as good as you think. Then again, I have not verified KDI's rate yet so both side can very well be guilty of overpromising!
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post Oct 4 2022, 08:51 PM

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Personally I'm just getting more frustrated with Versa because it has this "reverse engineer barrier", showing us the interests/bonus in #units instead of simple money value.

Anyone running both Versa and KDI in parallel with exact same money and entry, to compare till end of this year? I wanna satisfy my curiosity biggrin.gif
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post Apr 18 2024, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(jkngo2003 @ Apr 16 2024, 03:28 PM)
it hard to count.  not giving interest everyday. calculation is confuse. i calculate the total interest in 3 months. dont know why only around 3.4%. really disappointed on the calculation of interest in versa.
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I've been comparing KDI vs Versa (both cash savings only), I aligned the amounts on Apr 2023 onwards with both at 10k (IIRC Versa was a little slower in processing transactions), and then topped up 3k on 25 Jan to both.

Today, I see KDI is behind by about RM 128.... then I saw Versa had bonus of RM 60+50 few months ago, I think that was because I invested into Versa PRS end of last year. It may have skewed a little in favour of Versa... But I think that's just minute difference (cents?).

As much as I don't like how Versa pays out (messy, by units and by cash, not daily), I realised that KDI app is slow to load for me and that's also kinda bad. Personally I'll continue using both cuz the difference is not that much.
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post Jun 16 2024, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(alvin890 @ Jun 16 2024, 03:16 PM)
can anyone update for the versa invest funds perfomance....im planning to move some fd into it since the current interest rate quite low....so far anyone can get profit return more than 4% after fees? kindly share if so...thx in advance
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Since you're comparing against FD, I'm assuming you want a low risk instrument. Versa Invest is NOT low risk and you can lose money there. Personally I only use Versa Save and the rate hovers at 3.5-4.0%, IMO it's not bad but any higher you'll need a larger capital and/or look harder for some banks' promotional rates I guess...
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post Oct 16 2024, 12:25 AM

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Been dormant on my finances recently, now only learning there are quests... What a drag lol.

I'll admit, it's a good incentive to make undisciplined spenders to save.... But I'm just not one of them.

Compared to KDI Save, Versa Cash is winning because of these events, but the former has a very slightly higher base rate without the need to do anything fancy. Take my words with train of salt: the difference I speak is almost negligible lol...
- Start: RM 10k+ as of Jan 2024 for both
- YTD: RM 7k (same deposit date)
- Versa event bonus (RM 50+60) in Jan 2024
- difference as of now: Versa Cash +RM 108.59 including the bonus
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post Feb 18 2025, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(Barricade @ Feb 18 2025, 07:33 PM)
Don't bother to refer people with Versa. I referred few friends during year end, all managed to sign up successfully with my referral code and bought PRS. But no rewards is credited. When I ask CS, they said "referral is unsuccessful". What kind of nonsense is this? What is considered successful referral?
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I successfully got 1 referral, who credited RM 100 into Versa Save.
Do you have RM 1k in Versa Cash when they did their part?
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post Apr 14 2025, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Apr 14 2025, 01:59 PM)
Normally end of the month. Not immediate.

Anyone get the special invite quest?

https://versa.com.my/invite-only-special-in...and-conditions/
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Got... Their WhatsApp business account messaged me.

As a start, I don't like how Versa obfuscate the numbers behind layers of calculations. I read the TNC, this is my understanding:
- complete quests before 28 Apr
- reward is stackable with other quests (e.g. there's an ongoing one 3-4.5% booster)
- rewarding period is on 1-31 May 2025 only
- suppose you max it out....

1. Add RM 20k fresh funds into Versa Invest
2. Maintain RM 30000 Versa Cash
3. You will complete 2 quests.
4. After May, you'll get bonus of RM (30,000×8%÷12+10,000
×4.5%÷12) = RM 237.50

Good? 🤔 I don't really think so, mainly because I don't intend to use their Versa Invest, I don't know their track record... Also didn't check if there's service charge, management fee etc. so if there is then whatever earnings would be shaved off cleanly or worse, especially under such volatile market.
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post May 8 2025, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(simplefella3 @ May 8 2025, 11:01 AM)
kan putting all in at 1 shot better? the +2% only for 2 months and pro-rated. the earlier we join the more $$ we get.
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Have you read the TNC? Be careful with assumptions as Versa events have very specific cut-off points. I didn't read through that particular quest but if we refer to past records, AFAIK the reward period starts at the end of quest period. So dumping in your money early would only mean that you get their base rates early on.
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post Jun 2 2025, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(Optizorb @ Jun 2 2025, 03:49 PM)
anyone know for the monthly auto-debit what time they usually deduct from bank account?
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I get my auto debit acknowledgement emails around 7-8.30am on the 6th of every month, or later (apparently 6th that fall on Sunday-Monday result in Tuesday acknowledgement). Only started this year so only had 5 data points to tell you this.
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post Jun 13 2025, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jun 13 2025, 10:18 AM)
Versa return my tracking so far

9.5.25 rm80.7k
16.5.25 added 30k
Cost rm110.7k

Referral bonus rm20
Total today RM 111126.73

Minus rm20, profit rm406.73
Return about 4.3%
So far only received Quest reward Rm6.84 (referral 1%)

Anyone can do more accurate calculated return?
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Idk how to calculate but would love to try if you can teach me how you extracted your numbers and which transaction date(s) is appropriate to cut off at.. 😵

I'm surprised it's over 4%, as I always had this impression it performs worse than KDI especially when you don't do the quests...
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post Jul 11 2025, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(dudester @ Jul 11 2025, 03:18 PM)
Just registered.
For the 4.2% promotion. Upon withdrawal after 31 Jan 2026, will there be finance charges ? I thought i read somewhere 0.3% charges for some product.
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I read TNC of the 4.2% promo, mainly the scenarios they provided... Did not see keyword about finance charges ohmy.gif do you happen to have any screenshot/snippet/link to that clause?
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QUOTE(broyao @ Jul 11 2025, 05:02 PM)
it should be on a daily basis and based on per annum tho.
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Well that's the problem with Versa -- their calculations have too many layers and their FAQ are dumbed down for the financial illiterate. I haven't taken the time to scrutinise my historical numbers to find out exactly how they work.

If you look at the statement/transaction history, you'll see the bonus/interest are credited to you biweekly monthly. I can't remember well but perhaps they did mention the interest is calculated daily, so you can withdraw anytime and won't lose 2 weeks of accrued interest.

I just checked my own, apparently it's credited monthly now... But quest rewards are mid week. History from 2 years ago showed biweekly reinvestment/bonus.

 

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