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post Oct 24 2023, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(lovelyuser @ Oct 24 2023, 07:46 AM)
Aiyoh, you dunno just diam diam lar! Don't give wrong info lar!

Annual fee is NOT around RM8 and NOT depends on the fund, it's fix at RM 8 only if you have new investment on that year!

Can someone teach me how to report this misleading post?
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I am talking about annual annual management fund fee πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ which depends on the fund itself hence it is loss after returns and you can cover it by using tax relief πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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post Oct 24 2023, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Oct 24 2023, 03:13 PM)
https://versa.com.my/private-retirement-sch...ect-3x-rewards/

6% p.a. Cash Booster with Versa Cash when You Invest in PRS
Alongside your PRS investment of RM3,000, enjoy guaranteed 6% p.a. Versa Cash cash booster promotion! πŸ“ˆπŸ’°
*On your first RM10,000 balance in Versa Cash for the next three months. Limited to the first 5,000 users.

πŸš€ Invest in Versa PRS Today and Earn RM50
When you invest a minimum of RM3,000 in Versa PRS, you will receive your RM50 Versa Cash Bonus!

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just make sure your Versa Cash (did not say "i") have RM10k to earn 6%
make sure you masuk RM3k into PRS, so far i masuk RM1k, should have masuk RM100 to let it verify for 5 days
then after 5 days then masuk RM2.9k
i think they need 5 days to setup your account for you kinda stupid!
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5 days is standard πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ 2business days to verify the account while another 3 days to invest into the fund πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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post Oct 27 2023, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Oct 27 2023, 01:48 PM)
wah... u 3k earn RM4 and i only earn few cents!!
OMG!
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Growth fund πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ of course the discrepancy is higher

And when it falls by rm4 yours will be falling by rm0.40 πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ so the risks is up to you

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post Oct 27 2023, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Oct 27 2023, 03:39 PM)
let’s compare after 5 years
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No need to compare after 5 years πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ as it is already bad track record for the past 10 years annualised returns which are worse than FD and EPF rates
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post Oct 28 2023, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Oct 27 2023, 09:55 PM)
We just want our tax relief saja
If you are at 30% quite a good number correct?
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Yes if you at higher bracket but the savings only limited to certain years πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ and even if you save from tax relief the worry the fund doesn’t perform long as it shows now πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ with its poor 10 years annualised track records

QUOTE(yushin @ Oct 28 2023, 12:26 PM)
Hope the gov would extend it further after 2025.
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It depends but very hard to say because the govt is clamping down on certain tax relief

QUOTE(ericlaiys @ Oct 28 2023, 03:35 PM)
already extended once. last time 10 year. now they extend till 2025. subject to gov. no one can predict what gov will do
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Especially if they want float GST back then this tax relief have to say in place
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post Nov 2 2023, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Oct 31 2023, 05:45 PM)
so quiet?
versa fund indeed sucks
3050 left 3046

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No one invest in PRS look at daily prices πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ wait after 6 months then you only can tell

QUOTE(ronnie @ Oct 31 2023, 06:05 PM)
I wish PRS can invest in BTC...long term sure rich liao
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Not all invest BTC is rich long term πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ FTX customers already know and learn a lesson πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

QUOTE(virtualgay @ Oct 31 2023, 07:51 PM)
PRS won't la... Gov sure give pressure if drop ma
By right it should over perform than standard funds but our PRS lousy la average like 3% saja
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PRS is just pseudo standard fund πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ all goes back to the same portfolio manager which underperforms
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post Nov 2 2023, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Nov 2 2023, 04:51 PM)
FTX was scam... and it was not BTC investment also
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Doesn’t matter πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ if you buy with the wrong broker and the broker failed then you are in trouble
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post Nov 20 2023, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(victorian @ Nov 20 2023, 05:52 PM)
Deposited slightly more than 3k on October XD, just to avoid the 3k balance tnc in case they exclude annual fee.

But still, the latest campaign does not explain how does it supercede the previous 3x campaign.

How does the 90days from the previous campaign calculated? Or is it purely 6% for October and November, and 12% for December?
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Not supersede πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ but only double the amount payout for Dec only hence it is more of addendum
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post Nov 21 2023, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Nov 21 2023, 02:20 PM)
tak cukup...that's why sweeten the deal to 12% for december
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Not enough takers hence double the bonus πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ just for Dec only

QUOTE(virtualgay @ Nov 21 2023, 02:40 PM)
most likely that is the case
or their evil planΒ  since they already cukup just try to get more ppl to sign up so they can grow their fund size
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Not evil plan πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ and they have done it before this only not on PRS and because their marketing budget earmarked for this year need to be spend hence why they came out such bonus in order to finish the allocated budget for it πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ anyway you will only see it in January when they give out the bonus

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post Nov 21 2023, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Nov 21 2023, 04:14 PM)
5000 users does not mean all 5000 users will have 10k in Versa Cash
but if u decide to put 3k in PRS, you better have 10k in Versa cash up until they pay you the bonus else not worth
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For sure when they put in PRS they will definitely have 10k in Versa Cash πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ because many will have at least rm30k to park inside because of the liquidity πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ including yourself

QUOTE(Nom-el @ Nov 21 2023, 05:20 PM)
For the 12.12 PRS Promo, the first 5k user is starting from October or December, meaning 5k for the whole campaign or 5k (until Nov) + 5k (separate allocation for Dec)? Starting from December, user would no longer get 6% p.a. for 90 days but only 12% p.a. for December, right? What about those who invested 3k PRS in November? 6% in November, 12% in December, 6% in January 2024? Or no more for January?
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Whole campaign and only up till Dec πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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post Nov 22 2023, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Nov 21 2023, 09:12 PM)
the 90 days is tipu because Versa PRS was launched around 20th October then campaign end by 31st December, how to get 90 days? Or did they really launch it on 1st October?
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Either they backpay or forwardpay in Versa Cash πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ and east for them to do it
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post Nov 27 2023, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Nov 24 2023, 07:39 AM)
these referral bonuses are just good to have... I rather Versa focus on giving more % to investors directly.
When investors are happy, the word of mouth is even better marketing.
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I don’t think you understand what is network marketing πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ which is why they rather give referrals which is more easier than finding new account openings as the strawberry generation loves it

QUOTE(ronnie @ Nov 24 2023, 12:52 PM)
My PRS Growth is up Time-Weighted Return: +4.87%
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Time weighted is skewed πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ look actual returns over your own AUM

QUOTE(Vickyle @ Nov 27 2023, 01:25 PM)
Regarding versa cash,

1. Any minimum amount needed in an account when withdrawing?
2. Any charges like annual fee, management fee, etc.?
3. RM10 will be charged for opening an account?
4. How difficult or How long it take to withdraw to bank account?
5. What is the effective rate? Less than 4.3 right?
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1. Minimum 100 otherwise full withdrawal is initiated
2. Annual fee and management fee are deducted from the returns automatically
3. Can’t remember but I think I didn’t get charged for it because beta user
4. Depending on which funds πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ expect 3 to 5 working days depending on the fund with the exception of Versa Cash-I
5. Yes less than 4.3% because of rounding of units and price but quite close to it because of the rebates being credited 2 weeks later

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post Nov 27 2023, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Nov 27 2023, 03:15 PM)
the 4.3% or close to it... this one super confusing if u were to count as i never able to count it correctly
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Not confusing πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ if you know

The problems is because rounding of units and rebates are being paid out 2 weeks later to smoothen it out to 4.3%
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post Nov 27 2023, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Nov 27 2023, 03:42 PM)
Can you show me your account or your figure?
With mine I have this issue where I add up all the rebates and all the reinvestment unit yes it does not equal to 4.3% or even 4.0%

For me I will get reinvestment unit follow by 2 x rebates because I have PRS
26th Oct I get my reinvestment unit RM13.34
8th Nov I get 2 x rebates total RM4.04
23 Nov I get my reinvestment unit again RM13.53

Can I assume that if I add up 13.34 + 4.04 is equal to 6% for the month of October?

Nov I yet to get my rebates so I wait and I will report back

In total I have around 10150 right now in Versa Cash

I trying my best to count and nothing make sense
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Yours will be difficult to calculate πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ because mine is flat no in and out because max flat limit now

I suggest you to send Versa PM and ask them to show the calculation πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ as what the point of you paying them management fees

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post Nov 28 2023, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Nov 28 2023, 04:52 PM)
Yesterday was on a call with Versa to clarify how the 6% works and this was my assumption:

Oct Base return = 3.4%
Versa Cash Promo Rate = 4.3%
PRS Promo Rate = 6.0%

This is how i understand it before i talk to them
6.0% = Base Rate + Versa Cash Promo Rate Rebate + PRS Promo Rate Rebate

6.0% = 3.40% + 0.90% + 1.70%
*3.40% + 0.90% = 4.3% Versa Cash Promo Rate
*1.70% = 6.0% PRS Promo Rate - 4.30%
Total no matter how you count base on the above you will get 6% for the first RM10k

But after speaking to them yesterday this is how they say they count:
Base = 3.40% (Oct Base Return)
Versa Cash Promo Rebate = 4.3% - 3.40% = 0.90%
Versa PRS Promo Rebate = 6.0% - 3.40 = 2.60%
Total Return in the month of October base on % = Base 3.40% + Versa Cash Rebate 0.90% + PRS Rebate 2.60% which brings us to 3.4+0.9+2.6 = 6.9% for the first 10k

they also clarify that the payout of this 6% in Oct and Nov and 12% in Dec will end by 31st December meaning everything will go back to normal calculation by 1-Jan-2024
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See I told you to call them and get the answer which they have given you properly within a quick time πŸ˜‚ and you getting more than 6% infact
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post Nov 28 2023, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Nov 28 2023, 05:38 PM)
Quite crazy their promotion
Imagine 10k in December how much you will get
Just assume Dec base rate is 3.4%

So again it will be
3.4% + 0.90% = 4.3%
3.4% + 8.6% = 12%

Total would be 3.4% + 0.9% + 8.6% = 12.9%

10000 x 12.9% / 365 x 31 days = RM109.56

Hope my calculations is correct
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Only good for time one off πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ unless you are in taxable bracket and need for tax write off

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 28 2023, 06:25 PM)
Again soad don't know how many times. Not worth it for a one time gain when of you look at their performance, it practically sucks. But if you can withdraw due to age, then yeah. Good money. Instant 12% return
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Don’t bother πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ let them realise the 100 extra is worse off within 10 years of terrible performance and worse case scenario losing money PRS πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ with terrible asset allocation and long term performance πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ which good for those who can withdraw within 5 years time span
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post Nov 29 2023, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Nov 28 2023, 08:41 PM)
50 years old uncle here that is why I invested into PRS
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Then Uncle V can afford to lose πŸ˜‚ because the longer you hold PRS the worse it performs πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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post Nov 29 2023, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Nov 29 2023, 02:47 PM)
u ask me if i am 30 now i wont even put a single cent into PRS even if taxable income is 100k
base on 100k taxable income if you invest RM3k you can back tax saving of RM570 - (you are at 19%) tax bracket
but if you are now 30 your 3000 inside PRS at most will only grow like 3.5% to 4.5% average per year for the period of 25 years
it is as good as gone case maybe you die also you cannot withdraw because is like EFP
so those young ones if u really believe in PRS then invest RM3k give it a try
those old one, just do it if you are at 50 years old like me, few more months i am 51 then i have 4 more years left then i can take out my PRS
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Not even 4% for growth fund in the past years πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ so don’t expect it as it is seems growing upon based on OPR like 3% πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ and yet still negative YTD eventhough markets is going up
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post Nov 30 2023, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Nov 30 2023, 10:23 AM)
Yes I believe so... Here is my 50
My 8.25% return just went up a little more
With the Nov and Dec extra bonus will push it up even higher

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Happy for this year πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ wait next year see your returns go downhill
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post Nov 30 2023, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Nov 30 2023, 05:09 PM)
i am on prs conservative
will report back next year
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Don’t expect much movement on it but you better pray πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ they don’t lose money on buying wrong corporate bonds

Seems like the moderate fund outperformed growth funds for 10 year basis πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ while YTD growth fund is negative

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