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post Apr 7 2021, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(gooddays2020 @ Apr 7 2021, 12:24 PM)
Consider getting 1.5 Myvi or 1.6 persona? 1.3 is slightly underpower, feels unsafe on highway.
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I'm sorry, can you clarify what do you mean by unsafe on highway? hmm.gif
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post Apr 7 2021, 12:39 PM

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can you drive a manual car ?

if yes, go for Persona manual, cheap , safe and super reliable
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post Apr 7 2021, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(digilife @ Apr 7 2021, 12:39 PM)
can you drive a manual car ?

if yes, go for Persona manual, cheap , safe  and super reliable
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Yes I can, but I really prefer auto then manual
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post Apr 7 2021, 12:59 PM

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zero5177 Between Myvi and Iriz which one you recommends more?

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post Apr 7 2021, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(Xitox @ Apr 7 2021, 12:47 PM)
Yes I can, but I really prefer auto then manual
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New Persona still using the lousy CVT ? forget it then, I rather have the ancient 4AT on the new Saga then the lousy CVT

Still , best is the manual tranny ,virtually no issue at all on the manual transmission.
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post Apr 7 2021, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(Xitox @ Apr 7 2021, 10:06 AM)
Hello guys, I wanna get a Myvi but currently no stock. Need to wait at least 3 months.

The main reason I wanna get Myvi because lot of people said that the car is very safe.

Meanwhile, Saga advance have stock right now. How does Saga compared to Myvi in terms of build quality and safety features?

I plan to use this car for very a long time, which one you guys suggest?

p.s I can wait for 3 months, it just that I need to rent a room where the cost of renting is same as the cost of me having a car.
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if you:

i) know a bit about car and
ii) have some money left every month

Then grab saga/persona. Because every 80k u need to change the timing belt. I know...I know that u can save some money first, but from my observation, U will never have the money when the time comes. So grab .a robust engine in the first place.
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post Apr 7 2021, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(Xitox @ Apr 7 2021, 12:59 PM)
zero5177   Between Myvi and Iriz which one you recommends more?
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I value ride quality more, If I have to choose between this two I will get Iriz MT, I myself have Persona MT thus my suggestion can be a little bias.
I know this car gonna bring me travel through long distance drive from West to East coast covering 3-6 hours above drive a few times yearly, I need a comfortable yet fun car.

My preferences is a bit unique in term of car biggrin.gif

Myvi one thing I really don't like is the Steering horn button travels down to the bottom of the steering, when making turn really easy to accidentally hit it.

And soundproof wise I also believe Iriz is better.
Oh and Iriz also have wider seat for decent thigh support not just driver, same goes to passenger


Anything about ride quality, feel, comfort & satisfaction in drive > Iriz
Anything about the tak payah risau won't go wrong no matter how and and no one question your choice > Myvi

But if can top up sikit, Full Spec Ativa is a good buy

I suggest you visit or revisit this 3 models again do a careful comparison, a short test drive can't tell u much, but if you are fine with most of the thing with Myvi,
you may go for it.

This post has been edited by zero5177: Apr 7 2021, 02:14 PM
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post Apr 7 2021, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Apr 7 2021, 02:09 PM)
I value ride quality more, If I have to choose between this two I will get Iriz MT, I myself have Persona MT thus my suggestion can be a little bias.
I know this car gonna bring me travel through long distance drive from West to East coast covering 3-6 hours above drive a few times yearly, I need a comfortable yet fun car.

My preferences is a bit unique in term of car  biggrin.gif

Myvi one thing I really don't like is the Steering horn button travels down to the bottom of the steering, when making turn really easy to accidentally hit it.

And soundproof wise I also believe Iriz is better.
Oh and Iriz also have wider seat for decent thigh support not just driver, same goes to passenger
Anything about ride quality, feel, comfort & satisfaction in drive > Iriz
Anything about the tak payah risau won't go wrong no matter how and and no one question your choice > Myvi

But if can top up sikit, Full Spec Ativa is a good buy

I suggest you visit or revisit this 3 models again do a careful comparison, a short test drive can't tell u much, but if you are fine with most of the thing with Myvi,
you may go for it.
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post Apr 7 2021, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(Xitox @ Apr 7 2021, 03:10 PM)
icic, hmm  rclxub.gif
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Different people have different needs, usually first car I would recommend to get a Sedan for the bootspace it offers.

Just ask yourself are you the kind of guy who label car as just a tool to get you around and nothing else, Myvi is your choice
If you're the guy who gonna look for something more in the drive like ride/handling & comfort, Iriz/Persona is the one you can go for.

Not to say Myvi is bad handling or what, for most normal driver Myvi is actually pretty good on its own, and it is miles ahead compared to gen 1 Myvi.

It's your money afterall, buy based on what you want, not how other's feel about it because you're the one who driving it.
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post Apr 7 2021, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Apr 7 2021, 03:21 PM)
Different people have different needs, usually first car I would recommend to get a Sedan for the bootspace it offers.

Just ask yourself are you the kind of guy who label car as just a tool to get you around and nothing else, Myvi is your choice
If you're the guy who gonna look for something more in the drive like ride/handling & comfort, Iriz/Persona is the one you can go for.

Not to say Myvi is bad handling or what, for most normal driver Myvi is actually pretty good on its own, and it is miles ahead compared to gen 1 Myvi.

It's your money afterall, buy based on what you want, not how other's feel about it because you're the one who driving it.
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post Apr 7 2021, 04:43 PM

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Here is my 2 cents.

Personally, I will only go for auto trans. I have enough of my days fidgeting with changing gears while driving. Some people just like the control they get from manual. I don't care about control, performance and lower FC. I care more for convenience.

Once you decided to got for MT or AT, next is choosing the car. Myvi is know to have very robust engine and parts are easy to find cause it's number 1 car in Malaysia. Saga is good too but the CVT is said to be not reliable. But if you take care of the car, I think the CVT should not cause any issue.

I am a bit bias as I own a myvi myself. So I would go for Myvi for it's durability, easy to repair, zippy driving experience. I also think myvi have better resale value than saga. Then again, it's no big deal if you going to keep the car long.

Have you done test drive both cars? If yes, just go for the one you like more. Both are actually good choice for cheap and reliable car.

This post has been edited by abubin: Apr 7 2021, 04:44 PM
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post Apr 7 2021, 06:44 PM

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If budget is tight,

Second hand Axia E manual 2016 only 10K.
Sell 5 years later still can fetch 5K.

Durinf these 5 years, aim for better car when your finance improve.
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post Apr 7 2021, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(abubin @ Apr 7 2021, 04:43 PM)
Here is my 2 cents.

Personally, I will only go for auto trans. I have enough of my days fidgeting with changing gears while driving. Some people just like the control they get from manual. I don't care about control, performance and lower FC. I care more for convenience.

Once you decided to got for MT or AT, next is choosing the car. Myvi is know to have very robust engine and parts are easy to find cause it's number 1 car in Malaysia. Saga is good too but the CVT is said to be not reliable. But if you take care of the car, I think the CVT should not cause any issue.

I am a bit bias as I own a myvi myself. So I would go for Myvi for it's durability, easy to repair, zippy driving experience. I also think myvi have better resale value than saga. Then again, it's no big deal if you going to keep the car long.

Have you done test drive both cars? If yes, just go for the one you like more. Both are actually good choice for cheap and reliable car.
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Pretty sure the newest Saga don't use CVT anymore. It use normal 4AT gearbox now.

Judging by the way TS respond, seems like TS doesn't have as much experience with car. May I know what car do you (TS) drive before this?

In any case, TS should go test drive these cars first before making a ~RM40k decision.

This post has been edited by pixelrider: Apr 7 2021, 06:50 PM
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post Apr 7 2021, 06:55 PM

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the CVT tuning on the 2019 facelifted Persona is miles better than the previous iterations, especially compared to the first batches and the Punch Protons before it.

No more sluggishness at low speeds when driving in town, just squeeze and go, very responsive and very easy to drive inside urban environments. Very different from the previous versions.

Go test drive it.
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post Apr 7 2021, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(pixelrider @ Apr 7 2021, 06:50 PM)
Pretty sure the newest Saga don't use CVT anymore. It use normal 4AT gearbox now.

Judging by the way TS respond, seems like TS doesn't have as much experience with car.  May I know what car do you (TS) drive before this?

In any case, TS should go test drive these cars first before making a ~RM40k decision.
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Yea, I really don't have much experience with car. Before this I drive old Kia Picanto.


QUOTE(dares @ Apr 7 2021, 06:55 PM)
the CVT tuning on the 2019 facelifted Persona is miles better than the previous iterations, especially compared to the first batches and the Punch Protons before it.

No more sluggishness at low speeds when driving in town, just squeeze and go, very responsive and very easy to drive inside urban environments. Very different from the previous versions.

Go test drive it.
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Does new IRIZ also have same CVT as Persona?
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post Apr 8 2021, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(Xitox @ Apr 7 2021, 11:28 PM)
Yea, I really don't have much experience with car. Before this I drive old Kia Picanto.
Does new IRIZ also have same CVT as Persona?
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Haha, Picanto despite a tiny car with small engine and zero feature, its handling is hands down better than any of the Perodua car, and Picanto uses stronger steel too.

Also, any Proton would out-handle any Perodua. In modern Proton vs modern Perodua head-on collision, Proton will survive better.

Crash test scores are influenced by active safety and how good a car try not to kill a pedestrian with a soft hood and lots of foam on engine cover (which nothing to do with your own safety, well given that's a selfish consideration).
Like many pointed out, the % of advances high strength steel (AHSS) in modern Proton make them strong car.

Latest Ativa advertise 850 MPa steel a A-pillar as new features, and that's a joke. 850 MPa is only HSS, not AHSS
Most modern cars already have 1500 MPa AHSS/Hot formed/Boron Steel etc on A-pillar. Most cars has at least 30% AHSS since 5 years ago, Hyundai/Kia over 50% (have faith in your Picanto).

You can search Alza accident photos in past few years, and see how many broken into half at B pillar.

As for ASA, not all AEB are created equally.

ASA 2.0, the AEB detect a vehicle up to 4-80km/h, pedestrian/bike up to 4-50km/h. That's only mitigation, not complete stop. The complete stop speed is 30km/h. It did not announce how much speed it could reduce. On 3.0 the detection speed increase, but couldn't find the complete stop speed.

For comparison, Volvo IntelliSafe works 4-210km/h, pedestrian/cyclist 4-80km/h. The City Safety sub-function can detect car, pedestrian, cyclist, large animal, and able to detect cross traffic, not just in front.
For high speed vehicle, Volvo IntelliSafe able to stop with relative speed up to 50km/h. Meaning if the car in front driving 200km/h suddenly emergency brake to 150km/h, you also driving at 200km/h but did not response, it still able to brake to avoid collision.
For slow or stationary vehicle, it can complete stop up to 70km/h.

In the City where City Safety is active not only vehicle in front, but cross traffic as well
vehicle - reduce speed up to 60km/h
cyclist - reduce speed up to 50km/h
pedestrian - reduce speed up to 45km/h
large animals - reduce speed up to 15km/h (most effective above 70km/h)

Beside braking, if collision is unavoidable by braking alone, it will also detect empty space and provide steering assist to avoid the object (vehicle/cyclist/pedestrian/large animals)

On top of that, it will detect on-coming traffic which car from opposite lane sway into your lane.

Well I know the price is 6x different. Just want to tell you with ASA, it is likely reduce damage in city when you driving around 60km/h, but will not avoid the accident. High speed accident at highway, it will not save you at all.

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post Apr 8 2021, 01:24 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 7 2021, 06:55 PM)
the CVT tuning on the 2019 facelifted Persona is miles better than the previous iterations, especially compared to the first batches and the Punch Protons before it.

No more sluggishness at low speeds when driving in town, just squeeze and go, very responsive and very easy to drive inside urban environments. Very different from the previous versions.

Go test drive it.
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he want Saga, no CVT pun, back to shit 4AT like shit P2 sad.gif
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post Apr 8 2021, 01:25 AM

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QUOTE(Xitox @ Apr 7 2021, 11:28 PM)
Does new IRIZ also have same CVT as Persona?
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if your budget allows, get the post Geely Iriz or Persona.

yes both Iriz and Persona drive train are exactly the same on difference in manual or auto 1.3 or 1.6 (Persona only 1.6)
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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Apr 8 2021, 01:13 AM)

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you don't need to talk about P2's ASA when their BASIC braking already lose to P1 on my review Persona vs Myvi back to back apple to apple same location exact same tire size exact same tire model emergency braking 60- 0 km/h.

if you can't even pass the basics with decent success, forget advance features that relies on it.
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post Apr 8 2021, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Apr 7 2021, 03:21 PM)
Not to say Myvi is bad handling
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i won't beat around the bush, Myvi handling and road comfort is fucking rubbish.

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