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post Apr 5 2021, 05:02 PM, updated 2 months ago

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Hi ,

Can anyone give any pointers or tips I need to consider before buying these cars as used :

Audi Q7
Volvo XC60
BMW X6

In terms of features, reliability and maintenance cost. This is on the fact that new car’s value gores down so rapidly so shouldn’t buy brand new. My observation, Q7 somehow comes very cheap when old with so many advanced features in the car. Volvo considering because of spouse choice for safety, also price low when old. BMW I like the shape 😊. All 3 for spacious as well. Mostly for city use.

My budget is around 50-80k or 100k max . I can afford to spend on maintenance 5k per year.. if need be..

Thanks in advance.

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QUOTE(techman007 @ Apr 5 2021, 05:02 PM)
Hi ,

Can anyone give any pointers or tips I need to consider before buying these cars as used :

Audi Q7
Volvo XC60
BMW X6

In terms of features, reliability and maintenance cost .

My budget is around 50-80k or 100k max .

Thanks in advance.
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Skip all 3 model, just look for jap car. Q7 / X6, surely you will hv nightmare, heard to many, xc60, less in the market.. best just skip all the continental for
this type of old car
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At that budget the car is 10 years old if not more. Probably part are waiting to be replaced.

What is your budgetary for maintenance per year + 3k road tax for 3L car?
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remember to put budget for your tyre also.. 2 tonne moving metal u dun 1 to risk it with unbranded tyre.. 1 pcs new tyre shd be around Rm900 to RM1.3k
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QUOTE(techman007 @ Apr 5 2021, 05:02 PM)
Hi ,

Can anyone give any pointers or tips I need to consider before buying these cars as used :

Audi Q7
Volvo XC60
BMW X6

In terms of features, reliability and maintenance cost .

My budget is around 50-80k or 100k max .

Thanks in advance.
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Instead you should check out the following :-

Toyota Harrier.
Peugeot 3008.
VW Tiguan.
Mazda CX5.
Proton X70.

All 5 could be had for under RM100k 2nd hand.
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QUOTE(techman007 @ Apr 5 2021, 05:02 PM)
Hi ,

Can anyone give any pointers or tips I need to consider before buying these cars as used :

Audi Q7
Volvo XC60
BMW X6

In terms of features, reliability and maintenance cost .

My budget is around 50-80k or 100k max .

Thanks in advance.
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All 3 are adventurer cars! Make sure before you decide to buy to check their service history and perform a full checkup at a service center. always keep some cash as a backup since some of the parts are very expensive in Msia. And make sure you have a another car as your backup.

Im not an owner of any of the above, so cant comment specifics. I own a Passat CC B6.

Thus far I didnt encounter any issues on mine, but once it goes to service center, it takes long time to see the exit door!
SO I stop going to SC, but perform any service/repair at outside specialist, its cheaper and faster

And finally enjoy the ride!

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post Apr 5 2021, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Apr 5 2021, 05:35 PM)
remember to put budget for your tyre also.. 2 tonne moving metal u dun 1 to risk it with unbranded tyre.. 1 pcs new tyre shd be around Rm900 to RM1.3k
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QUOTE(Asquith @ Apr 5 2021, 05:48 PM)
Instead you should check out the following :-

Toyota Harrier.
Peugeot 3008.
VW Tiguan.
Mazda CX5.
Proton X70.

All 5 could be had for under RM100k 2nd hand.
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3008 oh yes
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post Apr 5 2021, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(sameday @ Apr 5 2021, 02:19 PM)
Skip all 3 model, just look for jap car. Q7 / X6, surely you will hv nightmare, heard to many, xc60, less in the market.. best just skip all the continental for
this type of old car
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Thanks. If I say I can spend 5k per year? Still not feasible?
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offroad q7> x6 > xc60
u daily use city road or moutain mud
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post Apr 5 2021, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Apr 5 2021, 02:26 PM)
At that budget the car is 10 years old if not more. Probably part are waiting to be replaced.

What is your budgetary for maintenance per year + 3k road tax for 3L car?
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Oh 3k road tax .. hmm
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post Apr 5 2021, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(Asquith @ Apr 5 2021, 02:48 PM)
Instead you should check out the following :-

Toyota Harrier.
Peugeot 3008.
VW Tiguan.
Mazda CX5.
Proton X70.

All 5 could be had for under RM100k 2nd hand.
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Thanks. You’re suggesting, because all those cars I can get newer models?
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post Apr 5 2021, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Apr 5 2021, 04:19 PM)
offroad q7> x6 > xc60
u daily use city road or moutain mud
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Thanks for the comparison. Driving will be mostly City.. but wanted big spacious.
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QUOTE(techman007 @ Apr 5 2021, 07:21 PM)
Thanks. You’re suggesting, because all those cars I can get newer models?
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Newer, a lot less expensive to maintain and far more reliable.

Also presents a lot better image as usually those who drive those you mentioned tend to wear thick gold chains and bracelets with funky hairdos.
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QUOTE(techman007 @ Apr 5 2021, 07:19 PM)
Thanks. If I say I can spend 5k per year? Still not feasible?
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one year u drive how many km.
example my house car 100000km at 3 year. so one year 30000km
just normal use
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post Apr 5 2021, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Apr 5 2021, 03:56 PM)
All 3 are adventurer cars! Make sure before you decide to buy to check their service history and perform a full checkup at a service center. always keep some cash as a backup since some of the parts are very expensive in Msia. And make sure you have a another car as your backup.

Im not an owner of any of the above, so cant comment specifics. I own a Passat CC B6.

Thus far I didnt encounter any issues on mine, but once it goes to service center, it takes long time to see the exit door!
SO I stop going to SC, but perform any service/repair at outside specialist, its cheaper and faster

And finally enjoy the ride!
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Thanks for your valuable advice
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QUOTE(techman007 @ Apr 5 2021, 07:19 PM)
Thanks. If I say I can spend 5k per year? Still not feasible?
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If you gonna sell it after free warranty......

Maybe can go for it, ha ha ha.

5k not going to be enough to fix anything spoilt after 5 years.
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QUOTE(ktek @ Apr 5 2021, 06:07 PM)
one year u drive how many km.
example my house car 100000km at 3 year. so one year 30000km
just normal use
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I’d say 30k km per year ..
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QUOTE(Asquith @ Apr 5 2021, 04:25 PM)
Newer, a lot less expensive to maintain and far more reliable.

Also presents a lot better image as usually those who drive those you mentioned tend to wear thick gold chains and bracelets with funky hairdos.
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Ic alright 😊
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QUOTE(Aftermaths @ Apr 5 2021, 06:13 PM)
If you gonna sell it after free warranty......

Maybe can go for it,  ha ha ha.

5k not going to be enough to fix anything spoilt after 5 years.
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Hmm even 5k .. I’m RM 5k

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cool. we similar kilometer.

every two year must chg taya (dont use until botak, shop can trade in)
10k oil change = 3 time a year
plus repair & modify lo. as the kilometer increase sure things will need replace

u kira see 5000 enough or not
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Avoid audi at all cost.

In fact, avoid 2nd hand european car >10 years old, unless u know what u are getting.
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QUOTE(ry8128 @ Apr 5 2021, 07:51 PM)
Avoid audi at all cost.

In fact, avoid 2nd hand european car >10 years old, unless u know what u are getting.
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Thanks. Can you elaborate on why not Audi ?
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QUOTE(techman007 @ Apr 5 2021, 10:59 PM)
Thanks. Can you elaborate on why not Audi ?
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Expensive maintenance, low reliability.

My cousin Audi get stolen and he had a hard time convincing police that it really get stolen, as no one will steal an Audi. It shows how bad the brand image is.
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QUOTE(techman007 @ Apr 5 2021, 09:20 PM)
Hmm even 5k .. I’m RM 5k
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That is sell after free warranty.

If you aiming for 2nd hand car........ the worse haven't come yet.

You try to find the cost for new parts or repairs.
- ECU board
- Tyre
- Battery
- Suspension
- Gearbox
- New Engine / 2nd hand Engine / Engine overhaul

(Sorry, i don't know the cost)


5k per year can easily repair almost anything for low cost car like Bezza & etc.
- Not so sure about foreign car brand. hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif

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if you need the space and with that budget, I would suggest you to consider a Kia Sorento or Hyundai Santa Fe instead.

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Prepare 10k PA for maintenance should be decent if no big ticket items go bad. Esspecially for the Audi.
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QUOTE(techman007 @ Apr 5 2021, 10:59 PM)
Thanks. Can you elaborate on why not Audi ?
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The most complaint about Audi engine is excessive engine oil consumption, engine failure especially those 2011 2012 cars. Well, the lower end model for BMW as far as I know share the same engine smile.gif

The Audi salesman con confirm this wink.gif
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QUOTE(ktek @ Apr 5 2021, 07:18 PM)
linglong taya hihi
3008 oh yes
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i dunno about linglong but i saw bmw using it.. not sure how good it fares hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Zot @ Apr 6 2021, 08:00 AM)
The most complaint about Audi engine is excessive engine oil consumption, engine failure especially those 2011 2012 cars. Well, the lower end model for BMW as far as I know share the same engine  smile.gif

The Audi salesman con confirm this  wink.gif
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audi where got share enjin to bmw.
u really con ppls
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audi share with vw = fact
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Audi... not known for reliability. cost too much to maintain. known one company they went to Audi car for their top management. Even under warranty period, some of their car spend at SC for warranty, issues, repair.

After 3 years of usage, they went to Mercedes cz of more reliable and they are now on 2nd cycles with Mercedes

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Apr 6 2021, 09:35 AM)
Audi... not known for reliability. cost too much to maintain. known one company they went to Audi car for their top management. Even under warranty period, some of their car spend at SC for warranty, issues, repair.

After 3 years of usage, they went to Mercedes cz of more reliable and they are now on 2nd cycles with Mercedes
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after 3year of suffer <<<< haha make it more dramatic
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QUOTE(ktek @ Apr 6 2021, 09:30 AM)
audi where got share enjin to bmw.
u really con ppls
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My bad. I got confused with VW blush.gif laugh.gif I don't con people innocent.gif
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QUOTE(ktek @ Apr 5 2021, 06:33 PM)
cool. we similar kilometer.

every two year must chg taya (dont use until botak, shop can trade in)
10k oil change = 3 time a year
plus repair & modify lo. as the kilometer increase sure things will need replace

u kira see 5000 enough or not
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Alright.. And oil change 10k ? Have to be from Audi service center?
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u told me one year 30000km mar
every 10000km = 3 time lo
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QUOTE(ry8128 @ Apr 5 2021, 07:51 PM)
Avoid audi at all cost.

In fact, avoid 2nd hand european car >10 years old, unless u know what u are getting.
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Not sure about these brands, I’ve seen Merc B180 2009 model used car bought in 2019 and running smoothly still with repairs from standard mechanics for oem new parts within 2-3k per year.. so that’s why encouraged by that for used car
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QUOTE(ktek @ Apr 6 2021, 07:07 AM)
u told me one year 30000km mar
every 10000km = 3 time lo
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Oh sorry 🤭I thought you said RM 10k for oil change every year 😆
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QUOTE(Zot @ Apr 6 2021, 05:00 AM)
The most complaint about Audi engine is excessive engine oil consumption, engine failure especially those 2011 2012 cars. Well, the lower end model for BMW as far as I know share the same engine  smile.gif

The Audi salesman con confirm this  wink.gif
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Even if eg car dealer offers 1 year warranty? Q7

Eg https://www.carlist.my/used-cars/7772719
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QUOTE(techman007 @ Apr 6 2021, 10:23 AM)
Even if eg car dealer offers 1 year warranty? Q7

Eg https://www.carlist.my/used-cars/7772719
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car dealer warranty < manufacturer warranty. need to check T&C properly
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QUOTE(techman007 @ Apr 6 2021, 10:23 AM)
Even if eg car dealer offers 1 year warranty? Q7

Eg https://www.carlist.my/used-cars/7772719
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Usually the failure comes the next day after warranty expires laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ktek @ Apr 6 2021, 09:33 AM)
audi share with vw = fact
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QUOTE(techman007 @ Apr 6 2021, 10:11 AM)
Not sure about these brands, I’ve seen Merc B180 2009 model used car bought in 2019 and running smoothly still with repairs from standard mechanics for oem new parts within 2-3k per year.. so that’s why encouraged by that for used car
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The B180 from that time is a much simpler car compared to those you listed here.
There's no turbo, no AWD system, electronic also much simpler (a friend complained his car's HU didn't even have Bluetooth support). Therefore, there's less things to fail and require fixing.
As long as it's well care, the interior should still be holding up.
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If die die need to choose this 3, i will pick X6 with the xDrive30d model using the 2nd gen N57 6-cylinder diesel engine. Get the 1 with LCI model, as a lot of early X6 model got a lot of design issue which only start improve implement in LCI.
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If you have a really STRICT budget of max RM5k a year, then you'll have a hard time. If it's RM5k a year on AVERAGE, then it's doable. The issue is what if you encounter major repairs all within the same or 2 years, you're bound to hit way beyond the 10k allocated for 2 years.

If you can afford to throw in beyond 10k a year if everything goes wrong at the same time, then go for it. After you get the major refreshes/repairs out of the way, basic yearly maintenance should be reasonable with your budget, and the average yearly cost will even out over the years.
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QUOTE(HalseyFrangipane @ Apr 7 2021, 01:13 AM)
If you have a really STRICT budget of max RM5k a year, then you'll have a hard time. If it's RM5k a year on AVERAGE, then it's doable. The issue is what if you encounter major repairs all within the same or 2 years, you're bound to hit way beyond the 10k allocated for 2 years.

If you can afford to throw in beyond 10k a year if everything goes wrong at the same time, then go for it. After you get the major refreshes/repairs out of the way, basic yearly maintenance should be reasonable with your budget, and the average yearly cost will even out over the years.
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Agree, i am helping my father's BMW e90 320d in maintenance. Even 3 series without much issue also require around 5k of maintenance budget a year, so if you went up to bigger SUV you need to budget more as a lot of parts is more rare and expensive compare to the common 3 series OTR. Even tires itself already cost few k just to replace, unless you willing to take risk picking up those cheap China tires.

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 7 2021, 08:56 AM)
Agree, i am helping my father's BMW e90 320d in maintenance. Even 3 series without much issue also require around 5k of maintenance budget a year, so if you went up to bigger SUV you need to budget more as a lot of parts is more rare and expensive compare to the common 3 series OTR. Even tires itself already cost few k just to replace, unless you willing to take risk picking up those cheap China tires.
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Can share what the parts for up to rm3k per year? Tyre not included right?
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Apr 7 2021, 11:27 AM)
Can share what the parts for up to rm3k per year? Tyre not included right?
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Tire included. My maintenance include all the wear & tear.
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 7 2021, 10:34 AM)
Tire included. My maintenance include all the wear & tear.
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Then really cheap. Similar to any Japan sedan. Replaced 18" tyre cost rm2.3k. EO Fully synthetic, Filter around 200 per 6 months. So rm2.3k + 200 + 200 for a year maintenance.
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Apr 7 2021, 12:30 PM)
Then really cheap. Similar to any Japan sedan. Replaced 18" tyre cost rm2.3k. EO Fully synthetic, Filter around 200 per 6 months. So rm2.3k + 200 + 200 for a year maintenance.
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Tire i did not went for run flat so still can save around 30~40% of what you mentioned.
EO fully synthetic 5W-40 5.3 liter every 6 months (I use premium European oil that meet BMW LL-04 spec.) + oil Filter around 4xx per 6 months.
Sometime some leak or part already wear so budget another 1~2k for parts maintenance/change.
5k per year is still acceptable and maybe got some savings for others mod or upgrade.

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 7 2021, 08:56 AM)
Agree, i am helping my father's BMW e90 320d in maintenance. Even 3 series without much issue also require around 5k of maintenance budget a year, so if you went up to bigger SUV you need to budget more as a lot of parts is more rare and expensive compare to the common 3 series OTR. Even tires itself already cost few k just to replace, unless you willing to take risk picking up those cheap China tires.
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Apr 7 2021, 11:30 AM)
Then really cheap. Similar to any Japan sedan. Replaced 18" tyre cost rm2.3k. EO Fully synthetic, Filter around 200 per 6 months. So rm2.3k + 200 + 200 for a year maintenance.
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Yeap speaking from experience as well. Definitely not trying to plant false fear in TS, as I actually think it's quite affordable and doable compared to what other people who never experienced or owned before always say.

Just advising to prepare for worst case scenario in case if it does happen so that TS is not caught with their pants down. But if worst case scenario can be handled as well, then not an issue at all and by all means go for it!
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 7 2021, 11:44 AM)
Tire i did not went for run flat so still can save around 30~40% of what you mentioned.
EO fully synthetic 5W-40 5.3 liter every 6 months (I use premium European oil that meet BMW LL-04 spec.) + oil Filter around 4xx per 6 months.
Sometime some leak or part already wear so budget another 1~2k for parts maintenance/change.
5k per year is still acceptable and maybe got some savings for others mod or upgrade.
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if u wanna safe more, 5w40 shell helix tesco/giant around rm99 per 4L, ori. Been discussed more on the other thread. for my car, still follow 0w20, so not many brand available vs 5w40/ 5w30.
no comments on leaking, so far so good but ok to allocate some fund for it
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Apr 7 2021, 04:44 PM)
if u wanna safe more, 5w40 shell helix tesco/giant around rm99 per 4L, ori. Been discussed more on the other thread. for my car, still follow 0w20, so not many brand available vs 5w40/ 5w30.
no comments on leaking, so far so good but ok to allocate some fund for it
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BMW certain engine & year need to meet certain spec. mine 1 diesel need to meet LL-04 requirement.

For others older model maybe can use LL-01 or the latest 1 is LL-12 BMW oil specification.
To maintain your engine & ride well, you need to understand what engine oil requirement to be use for your ride.

My mechanic already seen a lot of BMW engine develop sludge & oil leak due to wrong use of engine oil.
Sadly a lot of BMW owners after warranty off tent to use cheapo oil.. doh.gif
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In terms of features, all 3 cars won't be comparable with something like, say the X50.

In terms of reliability, Mechanically at least, the Bimmer, while no where as reliable as a merc, most foremen know how to fix an inline 6 bimmer. for the XC60, the Drive-E variants are reported to be more reliable than the ford ecoboost derived models. which version of the Q7 are you eyeing btw? 3.0 TDI? 3.6 Petrol? 4.2 Petrol?

Maintenance wise, given your budget, you would most likely be servicing/fixing your ride at an independent work shop. Not a bad thing, if the foreman knows what he is doing.

After market parts/recond parts/chop shop parts for a bimmer should be a lot easier to source compared to the Audi and Volvo, how long they last tho, is an entirely different matter.

With due respect and given your budget, you're better off with a used Harrier, or a 3008 or a tiguan under warranty.


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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Apr 9 2021, 01:08 PM)
In terms of features, all 3 cars won't be comparable with something like, say the X50.

In terms of reliability, Mechanically at least, the Bimmer, while no where as reliable as a merc, most foremen know how to fix an inline 6 bimmer. for the XC60, the Drive-E variants are reported to be more reliable than the ford ecoboost derived models. which version of the Q7 are you eyeing btw? 3.0 TDI? 3.6 Petrol? 4.2 Petrol?

Maintenance wise, given your budget, you would most likely be servicing/fixing your ride at an independent work shop. Not a bad thing, if the foreman knows what he is doing.

After market parts/recond parts/chop shop parts for a bimmer should be a lot easier to source compared to the Audi and Volvo, how long they last tho, is an entirely different matter.

With due respect and given your budget, you're better off with a used Harrier, or a 3008 or a tiguan under warranty.
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Actually it is far more than that, new BMW spare part support at aftermarket is actually quite good if you direct source from authorize spare part shop like stuttgard or bavarian auto ther parts nearly every week got shipment direct from Germany cutting short of the logistic time compare to others. They can give plenty of options from original to OEM. Owning or maintaining a BMW locally should not be an issue, unless only your pocket is not deep enough. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 9 2021, 03:46 PM)
Actually it is far more than that, new BMW spare part support at aftermarket is actually quite good if you direct source from authorize spare part shop like stuttgard or bavarian auto ther parts nearly every week got shipment direct from Germany cutting short of the logistic time compare to others. They can give plenty of options from original to OEM. Owning or maintaining a BMW locally should not be an issue, unless only your pocket is not deep enough.  laugh.gif
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Yes. Keyword is deep pocket.

But the options you mentioned could exceed ts budget
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lol, 5k a year maintenance budget for these premium and OLD contis is VERY little. I'm assuming roadtax is not a part of your 'maintenance' budget, else you'll suffer.

Audis are notoriously expensive to fix and breaks down regularly, i am ex audi owner, sold it off for a fraction of the price i bought it for, it was costing me insane amounts to get parts replaced or repaired. The headlights itself cost me 8k per pair, not even an Audi Q7, i heard from my mechanic that their SUV can burn a very deep hole in your pocket. Not to mention the tyres aren't cheap by any means. My Audi started showing major problems after 5 years.

My suggestion, either you buy a new one with full warranty for ANY conti, or just buy a japanese/local SUV, save you the headache and financial troubles.

from the looks of it, your case is a typical "biar papa asal bergaya", not worth it bro.

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QUOTE(Xonius @ Apr 9 2021, 06:17 PM)
lol, 5k a year maintenance budget for these premium and OLD contis is VERY little. I'm assuming roadtax is not a part of your 'maintenance' budget, else you'll suffer.

Audis are notoriously expensive to fix and breaks down regularly, i am ex audi owner, sold it off for a fraction of the price i bought it for, it was costing me insane amounts to get parts replaced or repaired. The headlights itself cost me 8k per pair, not even an Audi Q7, i heard from my mechanic that their SUV can burn a very deep hole in your pocket. Not to mention the tyres aren't cheap by any means. My Audi started showing major problems after 5 years.

My suggestion, either you buy a new one with full warranty for ANY conti, or just buy a japanese/local SUV, save you the headache and financial troubles.

from the looks of it, your case is a typical "biar papa asal bergaya", not worth it bro.
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Agree with you. Better get one still under warranty, and get as many parts replaced before warranty expires. If you decide to get one without warranty, make sure you at least inspect the service records of the car.

Btw what audi did you used to drive bro?
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 9 2021, 03:46 PM)
Actually it is far more than that, new BMW spare part support at aftermarket is actually quite good if you direct source from authorize spare part shop like stuttgard or bavarian auto ther parts nearly every week got shipment direct from Germany cutting short of the logistic time compare to others. They can give plenty of options from original to OEM. Owning or maintaining a BMW locally should not be an issue, unless only your pocket is not deep enough.  laugh.gif
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Btw may I know where do you maintain your bimmer? I have a shop who lets me bring my own parts but they always try to sell their parts at their price first and it's getting awkward haha... I'm interested to know which shop you usually send to or if you have encountered any that welcomes their customers in bringing their own parts.
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QUOTE(HalseyFrangipane @ Apr 9 2021, 09:35 PM)
Btw may I know where do you maintain your bimmer? I have a shop who lets me bring my own parts but they always try to sell their parts at their price first and it's getting awkward haha... I'm interested to know which shop you usually send to or if you have encountered any that welcomes their customers in bringing their own parts.
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My Mechanic shop is in Penang. They got terms, if you bring your own parts they wont warrant any issue but only for workmanship.
So you also got risk if buying the wrong part. But lucky i went to authorize spare part shop, if you knew your chassis no. and in original states usually the spare part is standard and can direct fit.

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QUOTE(Xonius @ Apr 9 2021, 07:17 PM)
lol, 5k a year maintenance budget for these premium and OLD contis is VERY little. I'm assuming roadtax is not a part of your 'maintenance' budget, else you'll suffer.

Audis are notoriously expensive to fix and breaks down regularly, i am ex audi owner, sold it off for a fraction of the price i bought it for, it was costing me insane amounts to get parts replaced or repaired. The headlights itself cost me 8k per pair, not even an Audi Q7, i heard from my mechanic that their SUV can burn a very deep hole in your pocket. Not to mention the tyres aren't cheap by any means. My Audi started showing major problems after 5 years.

My suggestion, either you buy a new one with full warranty for ANY conti, or just buy a japanese/local SUV, save you the headache and financial troubles.

from the looks of it, your case is a typical "biar papa asal bergaya", not worth it bro.
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Yup. The road tax & insurance i did not include it in my 5k budget as it is for maintenance. But for E90 320d since it is almost 10 years the insurance coverage & road tax also reasonable nowadays. Anyway Audi been always famous for higher cost maintenance, my mechanic did most continental cars also feedback that in term of the big 3 Audi will always cost higher compare to Merc or BMW for equivalent model range.

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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Apr 9 2021, 06:38 PM)
Yes. Keyword is deep pocket.

But the options you mentioned could exceed ts budget
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Well, until today most BMW, Merc & Audi spare parts still imported from German. The spare part price is actually still reasonable even you compare to equivalent parts from Japan (Lexus) A lot of people tent to think German parts must be expensive, but when you compare with equivalent Japanese ride it is actually not that far apart (If you direct purchase from authorize spare part shop). The only good thing for Japanese ride is they tent to be reliable/last longer, but logistic & spare part availability i believe German got the advantage.
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 12 2021, 09:37 AM)
Yup. The road tax & insurance i did not include it in my 5k budget as it is for maintenance. But for E90 320d since it is almost 10 years the insurance coverage & road tax also reasonable nowadays. Anyway Audi been always famous for higher cost maintenance, my mechanic did most continental cars also feedback that in term of the big 3 Audi will always cost higher compare to Merc or BMW for equivalent model range.
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An uncle who used to work with one of the big 3rd party workshop which does service and parts for conti cars advised to stay away from recond or out of warranty Audi if possible (among the 3 brands)
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QUOTE(electron @ Apr 12 2021, 10:59 AM)
An uncle who used to work with one of the big 3rd party workshop which does service and parts for conti cars advised to stay away from recond or out of warranty Audi if possible (among the 3 brands)
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mercedes is ok pretty reliable. based on my family w212 E250 2015. after warranty, service it outside also similar price relatively to japan car. higher a bit for Fully Syn EO as it needs more EO than most Japan sedan.

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 12 2021, 09:30 AM)
My Mechanic shop is in Penang. They got  terms, if you bring your own parts they wont warrant any issue but only for workmanship.
So you also got risk if buying the wrong part. But lucky i went to authorize spare part shop, if you knew your chassis no. and in original states usually the spare part is standard and can direct fit.
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I see.

Yeap, I have no issues with the workshop if the parts are faulty. Just want to look for a workshop with good workmanship, but welcome customers to bring their own parts as it gets awkward when I bring my own parts all the time when the workshop quotes their parts' prices (marked up).

I always source my parts online or from BA/Stuttgart, depending on the price. Never really had any issue with ordering wrong parts. Just do your due diligence, use RealOEM, etc.
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QUOTE(HalseyFrangipane @ Apr 12 2021, 11:25 PM)
I see.

Yeap, I have no issues with the workshop if the parts are faulty. Just want to look for a workshop with good workmanship, but welcome customers to bring their own parts as it gets awkward when I bring my own parts all the time when the workshop quotes their parts' prices (marked up).

I always source my parts online or from BA/Stuttgart, depending on the price. Never really had any issue with ordering wrong parts. Just do your due diligence, use RealOEM, etc.
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BTW if your ride is CKD local BMW, sometimes online platform like RealOEM is not accurate also. I also kena few times of wrong part ordered reference from RealOEM.. laugh.gif But it is a learning stage of owning it.. Need to take picture of the part and compare with online part no. first before proceed.. If better search for BMW part no. printed on it.. icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 13 2021, 08:40 AM)
BTW if your ride is CKD local BMW, sometimes online platform like RealOEM is not accurate also. I also kena few times of wrong part ordered reference from RealOEM..  laugh.gif But it is a learning stage of owning it.. Need to take picture of the part and compare with online part no. first before proceed.. If better search for BMW part no. printed on it..  icon_idea.gif
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Oh issit? Haha I didn't think that would occur at all cuz our VIN is region-based. But thanks for sharing your experience
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If die die need to choose this 3, i will pick X6 with the xDrive30d model using the 2nd gen N57 6-cylinder diesel engine. Get the 1 with LCI model, as a lot of early X6 model got a lot of design issue which only start improve implement in LCI.
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Thanks for those details 👍
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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Apr 9 2021, 09:08 AM)
In terms of features, all 3 cars won't be comparable with something like, say the X50.

In terms of reliability, Mechanically at least, the Bimmer, while no where as reliable as a merc, most foremen know how to fix an inline 6 bimmer. for the XC60, the Drive-E variants are reported to be more reliable than the ford ecoboost derived models. which version of the Q7 are you eyeing btw? 3.0 TDI? 3.6 Petrol? 4.2 Petrol?

Maintenance wise, given your budget, you would most likely be servicing/fixing your ride at an independent work shop. Not a bad thing, if the foreman knows what he is doing.

After market parts/recond parts/chop shop parts for a bimmer should be a lot easier to source compared to the Audi and Volvo, how long they last tho, is an entirely different matter.

With due respect and given your budget, you're better off with a used Harrier, or a 3008 or a tiguan under warranty.
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Thanks for your very useful advice. I was looking for Audi petrol. I’m now considering Q5 as well.

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QUOTE(Xonius @ Apr 9 2021, 03:17 PM)
lol, 5k a year maintenance budget for these premium and OLD contis is VERY little. I'm assuming roadtax is not a part of your 'maintenance' budget, else you'll suffer.

Audis are notoriously expensive to fix and breaks down regularly, i am ex audi owner, sold it off for a fraction of the price i bought it for, it was costing me insane amounts to get parts replaced or repaired. The headlights itself cost me 8k per pair, not even an Audi Q7, i heard from my mechanic that their SUV can burn a very deep hole in your pocket. Not to mention the tyres aren't cheap by any means. My Audi started showing major problems after 5 years.

My suggestion, either you buy a new one with full warranty for ANY conti, or just buy a japanese/local SUV, save you the headache and financial troubles.

from the looks of it, your case is a typical "biar papa asal bergaya", not worth it bro.
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Thanks, maybe that’s why Audi prices goes so low. But still so tempting to see the features and look of the car at low rates

 

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