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post Apr 6 2021, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(techman007 @ Apr 6 2021, 10:23 AM)
Even if eg car dealer offers 1 year warranty? Q7

Eg https://www.carlist.my/used-cars/7772719
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post Apr 6 2021, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Apr 6 2021, 09:33 AM)
audi share with vw = fact
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post Apr 6 2021, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(techman007 @ Apr 6 2021, 10:11 AM)
Not sure about these brands, I’ve seen Merc B180 2009 model used car bought in 2019 and running smoothly still with repairs from standard mechanics for oem new parts within 2-3k per year.. so that’s why encouraged by that for used car
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The B180 from that time is a much simpler car compared to those you listed here.
There's no turbo, no AWD system, electronic also much simpler (a friend complained his car's HU didn't even have Bluetooth support). Therefore, there's less things to fail and require fixing.
As long as it's well care, the interior should still be holding up.
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post Apr 6 2021, 02:54 PM

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If die die need to choose this 3, i will pick X6 with the xDrive30d model using the 2nd gen N57 6-cylinder diesel engine. Get the 1 with LCI model, as a lot of early X6 model got a lot of design issue which only start improve implement in LCI.
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post Apr 7 2021, 12:13 AM

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If you have a really STRICT budget of max RM5k a year, then you'll have a hard time. If it's RM5k a year on AVERAGE, then it's doable. The issue is what if you encounter major repairs all within the same or 2 years, you're bound to hit way beyond the 10k allocated for 2 years.

If you can afford to throw in beyond 10k a year if everything goes wrong at the same time, then go for it. After you get the major refreshes/repairs out of the way, basic yearly maintenance should be reasonable with your budget, and the average yearly cost will even out over the years.
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post Apr 7 2021, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(HalseyFrangipane @ Apr 7 2021, 01:13 AM)
If you have a really STRICT budget of max RM5k a year, then you'll have a hard time. If it's RM5k a year on AVERAGE, then it's doable. The issue is what if you encounter major repairs all within the same or 2 years, you're bound to hit way beyond the 10k allocated for 2 years.

If you can afford to throw in beyond 10k a year if everything goes wrong at the same time, then go for it. After you get the major refreshes/repairs out of the way, basic yearly maintenance should be reasonable with your budget, and the average yearly cost will even out over the years.
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Agree, i am helping my father's BMW e90 320d in maintenance. Even 3 series without much issue also require around 5k of maintenance budget a year, so if you went up to bigger SUV you need to budget more as a lot of parts is more rare and expensive compare to the common 3 series OTR. Even tires itself already cost few k just to replace, unless you willing to take risk picking up those cheap China tires.

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post Apr 7 2021, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 7 2021, 08:56 AM)
Agree, i am helping my father's BMW e90 320d in maintenance. Even 3 series without much issue also require around 5k of maintenance budget a year, so if you went up to bigger SUV you need to budget more as a lot of parts is more rare and expensive compare to the common 3 series OTR. Even tires itself already cost few k just to replace, unless you willing to take risk picking up those cheap China tires.
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Can share what the parts for up to rm3k per year? Tyre not included right?
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post Apr 7 2021, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Apr 7 2021, 11:27 AM)
Can share what the parts for up to rm3k per year? Tyre not included right?
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Tire included. My maintenance include all the wear & tear.
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post Apr 7 2021, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 7 2021, 10:34 AM)
Tire included. My maintenance include all the wear & tear.
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Then really cheap. Similar to any Japan sedan. Replaced 18" tyre cost rm2.3k. EO Fully synthetic, Filter around 200 per 6 months. So rm2.3k + 200 + 200 for a year maintenance.
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post Apr 7 2021, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Apr 7 2021, 12:30 PM)
Then really cheap. Similar to any Japan sedan. Replaced 18" tyre cost rm2.3k. EO Fully synthetic, Filter around 200 per 6 months. So rm2.3k + 200 + 200 for a year maintenance.
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Tire i did not went for run flat so still can save around 30~40% of what you mentioned.
EO fully synthetic 5W-40 5.3 liter every 6 months (I use premium European oil that meet BMW LL-04 spec.) + oil Filter around 4xx per 6 months.
Sometime some leak or part already wear so budget another 1~2k for parts maintenance/change.
5k per year is still acceptable and maybe got some savings for others mod or upgrade.

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post Apr 7 2021, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 7 2021, 08:56 AM)
Agree, i am helping my father's BMW e90 320d in maintenance. Even 3 series without much issue also require around 5k of maintenance budget a year, so if you went up to bigger SUV you need to budget more as a lot of parts is more rare and expensive compare to the common 3 series OTR. Even tires itself already cost few k just to replace, unless you willing to take risk picking up those cheap China tires.
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Apr 7 2021, 11:30 AM)
Then really cheap. Similar to any Japan sedan. Replaced 18" tyre cost rm2.3k. EO Fully synthetic, Filter around 200 per 6 months. So rm2.3k + 200 + 200 for a year maintenance.
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Yeap speaking from experience as well. Definitely not trying to plant false fear in TS, as I actually think it's quite affordable and doable compared to what other people who never experienced or owned before always say.

Just advising to prepare for worst case scenario in case if it does happen so that TS is not caught with their pants down. But if worst case scenario can be handled as well, then not an issue at all and by all means go for it!
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 7 2021, 11:44 AM)
Tire i did not went for run flat so still can save around 30~40% of what you mentioned.
EO fully synthetic 5W-40 5.3 liter every 6 months (I use premium European oil that meet BMW LL-04 spec.) + oil Filter around 4xx per 6 months.
Sometime some leak or part already wear so budget another 1~2k for parts maintenance/change.
5k per year is still acceptable and maybe got some savings for others mod or upgrade.
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if u wanna safe more, 5w40 shell helix tesco/giant around rm99 per 4L, ori. Been discussed more on the other thread. for my car, still follow 0w20, so not many brand available vs 5w40/ 5w30.
no comments on leaking, so far so good but ok to allocate some fund for it
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Apr 7 2021, 04:44 PM)
if u wanna safe more, 5w40 shell helix tesco/giant around rm99 per 4L, ori. Been discussed more on the other thread. for my car, still follow 0w20, so not many brand available vs 5w40/ 5w30.
no comments on leaking, so far so good but ok to allocate some fund for it
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BMW certain engine & year need to meet certain spec. mine 1 diesel need to meet LL-04 requirement.

For others older model maybe can use LL-01 or the latest 1 is LL-12 BMW oil specification.
To maintain your engine & ride well, you need to understand what engine oil requirement to be use for your ride.

My mechanic already seen a lot of BMW engine develop sludge & oil leak due to wrong use of engine oil.
Sadly a lot of BMW owners after warranty off tent to use cheapo oil.. doh.gif
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In terms of features, all 3 cars won't be comparable with something like, say the X50.

In terms of reliability, Mechanically at least, the Bimmer, while no where as reliable as a merc, most foremen know how to fix an inline 6 bimmer. for the XC60, the Drive-E variants are reported to be more reliable than the ford ecoboost derived models. which version of the Q7 are you eyeing btw? 3.0 TDI? 3.6 Petrol? 4.2 Petrol?

Maintenance wise, given your budget, you would most likely be servicing/fixing your ride at an independent work shop. Not a bad thing, if the foreman knows what he is doing.

After market parts/recond parts/chop shop parts for a bimmer should be a lot easier to source compared to the Audi and Volvo, how long they last tho, is an entirely different matter.

With due respect and given your budget, you're better off with a used Harrier, or a 3008 or a tiguan under warranty.


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post Apr 9 2021, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Apr 9 2021, 01:08 PM)
In terms of features, all 3 cars won't be comparable with something like, say the X50.

In terms of reliability, Mechanically at least, the Bimmer, while no where as reliable as a merc, most foremen know how to fix an inline 6 bimmer. for the XC60, the Drive-E variants are reported to be more reliable than the ford ecoboost derived models. which version of the Q7 are you eyeing btw? 3.0 TDI? 3.6 Petrol? 4.2 Petrol?

Maintenance wise, given your budget, you would most likely be servicing/fixing your ride at an independent work shop. Not a bad thing, if the foreman knows what he is doing.

After market parts/recond parts/chop shop parts for a bimmer should be a lot easier to source compared to the Audi and Volvo, how long they last tho, is an entirely different matter.

With due respect and given your budget, you're better off with a used Harrier, or a 3008 or a tiguan under warranty.
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Actually it is far more than that, new BMW spare part support at aftermarket is actually quite good if you direct source from authorize spare part shop like stuttgard or bavarian auto ther parts nearly every week got shipment direct from Germany cutting short of the logistic time compare to others. They can give plenty of options from original to OEM. Owning or maintaining a BMW locally should not be an issue, unless only your pocket is not deep enough. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 9 2021, 03:46 PM)
Actually it is far more than that, new BMW spare part support at aftermarket is actually quite good if you direct source from authorize spare part shop like stuttgard or bavarian auto ther parts nearly every week got shipment direct from Germany cutting short of the logistic time compare to others. They can give plenty of options from original to OEM. Owning or maintaining a BMW locally should not be an issue, unless only your pocket is not deep enough.  laugh.gif
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Yes. Keyword is deep pocket.

But the options you mentioned could exceed ts budget
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post Apr 9 2021, 06:17 PM

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lol, 5k a year maintenance budget for these premium and OLD contis is VERY little. I'm assuming roadtax is not a part of your 'maintenance' budget, else you'll suffer.

Audis are notoriously expensive to fix and breaks down regularly, i am ex audi owner, sold it off for a fraction of the price i bought it for, it was costing me insane amounts to get parts replaced or repaired. The headlights itself cost me 8k per pair, not even an Audi Q7, i heard from my mechanic that their SUV can burn a very deep hole in your pocket. Not to mention the tyres aren't cheap by any means. My Audi started showing major problems after 5 years.

My suggestion, either you buy a new one with full warranty for ANY conti, or just buy a japanese/local SUV, save you the headache and financial troubles.

from the looks of it, your case is a typical "biar papa asal bergaya", not worth it bro.

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QUOTE(Xonius @ Apr 9 2021, 06:17 PM)
lol, 5k a year maintenance budget for these premium and OLD contis is VERY little. I'm assuming roadtax is not a part of your 'maintenance' budget, else you'll suffer.

Audis are notoriously expensive to fix and breaks down regularly, i am ex audi owner, sold it off for a fraction of the price i bought it for, it was costing me insane amounts to get parts replaced or repaired. The headlights itself cost me 8k per pair, not even an Audi Q7, i heard from my mechanic that their SUV can burn a very deep hole in your pocket. Not to mention the tyres aren't cheap by any means. My Audi started showing major problems after 5 years.

My suggestion, either you buy a new one with full warranty for ANY conti, or just buy a japanese/local SUV, save you the headache and financial troubles.

from the looks of it, your case is a typical "biar papa asal bergaya", not worth it bro.
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Agree with you. Better get one still under warranty, and get as many parts replaced before warranty expires. If you decide to get one without warranty, make sure you at least inspect the service records of the car.

Btw what audi did you used to drive bro?
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 9 2021, 03:46 PM)
Actually it is far more than that, new BMW spare part support at aftermarket is actually quite good if you direct source from authorize spare part shop like stuttgard or bavarian auto ther parts nearly every week got shipment direct from Germany cutting short of the logistic time compare to others. They can give plenty of options from original to OEM. Owning or maintaining a BMW locally should not be an issue, unless only your pocket is not deep enough.  laugh.gif
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Btw may I know where do you maintain your bimmer? I have a shop who lets me bring my own parts but they always try to sell their parts at their price first and it's getting awkward haha... I'm interested to know which shop you usually send to or if you have encountered any that welcomes their customers in bringing their own parts.
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QUOTE(HalseyFrangipane @ Apr 9 2021, 09:35 PM)
Btw may I know where do you maintain your bimmer? I have a shop who lets me bring my own parts but they always try to sell their parts at their price first and it's getting awkward haha... I'm interested to know which shop you usually send to or if you have encountered any that welcomes their customers in bringing their own parts.
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My Mechanic shop is in Penang. They got terms, if you bring your own parts they wont warrant any issue but only for workmanship.
So you also got risk if buying the wrong part. But lucky i went to authorize spare part shop, if you knew your chassis no. and in original states usually the spare part is standard and can direct fit.


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