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Lampuajaib
post Apr 10 2021, 07:06 AM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Apr 9 2021, 09:04 PM)
money talks. if they have the dough then they should pay up
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Money is not the main issue.
Business and technology are.
Work sharing, profit sharing, tech transfer,...etc


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post Apr 10 2021, 07:13 AM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Apr 9 2021, 09:05 PM)
now we see if turkiye is interested in rejoining the kfx initiative.
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Almost impossible.
Turkey will demand more than Indonesia. Turkey want 50:50 shares in everything which is not possible now.
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post Apr 10 2021, 07:19 AM

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Roll out ceremony of KF-21 Boramae (KF-X) Fighter Jet.



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Meanwhile.....Malaysia nak LCA pun masih lagi window shopping. There are M346 and TA/FA 50 which are widely used but still considering India Tejas.
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post Apr 10 2021, 07:50 AM

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KF-21 Boramae pre roll out ceremony pics still with the KF-X marking before changing it to KF-21. Credit to Bemil Chosun.

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https://bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/bbs/view.html...pn=1&num=222930







ayanami_tard
post Apr 10 2021, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(Lampuajaib @ Apr 10 2021, 08:06 AM)
Money is not the main issue.
Business and technology are.
Work sharing, profit sharing, tech transfer,...etc
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except that it is about money. Indonesia is late on several payments over the projects.

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Almost impossible.
Turkey will demand more than Indonesia. Turkey want 50:50 shares in everything which is not possible now.
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Right now they didnt have many choices. Back then they have F-35 as main strike units and KFX is more of a F-4 2020 replacement. Now they're out of the programme and the greeks is going to field Rafale which could upset the parity balance. About the most modern fighter in TuAF is a bunch of common block F-16 and the greeks, on the other hand, not only will get rafale, but also F-16V and even possibly F-35.

The french isn't going to sell Rafale to them, and it's unlikely they'll piss of america further with getting Russian aircraft (which is stupid anyway since even without caatsa they'll not going to be compatible with existing ordnances and had to be operated in isolation). So about the only options that they have is either KFX or Typhoon.
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post Apr 11 2021, 07:27 AM

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Tests on Indonesian locally built Sentry Gun UGV prototype.



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post Apr 11 2021, 07:52 AM

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KF-21 Boramae fighter will change the defenses of Korea and Indonesia

By Boyko Nikolov on April 10, 2021

SEOUL, (BM) – South Korea’s long-awaited 4++ generation multi-role fighter is ready. The prototype of the KF-21 Boramae fighter was presented at an official ceremony at the headquarters of the Korean company Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) in Sachon, South Gyeongsang Province.

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On April 9, South Korean President Moon Jae-in said: “A new era in self-defense has come, and we have set a historical milestone in the progress of our aviation industry. I also express sincere gratitude to the Indonesian government for having trust in Korea’s capability and become a partner in this co-development project. Until the development is complete and the two countries are ready for mass production to make forays into third-country markets, Korea and Indonesia will work together.”

KF-21 Boramae is a vital project for the South Korean industry. Several tests, both on the ground and in the air, are expected over the next 24 months. KF-21 Boramae will become a primary weapon of the South Korean Air Force. After testing and launching series production, the KF-21 Boramae will fly next to the F-15, F-16, and F-35 and should gradually become a leading fighter, following the future updates it will receive.

South Korea will develop a single-seater and two-seater version of its next-generation twin-engine fighter.

The role of Indonesia

Cooperation between South Korea and Indonesia in the development of KF-21 Boramae is essential for both industries. The good relations between the countries will allow them to have a modern next-generation fighter in the future.

Indonesia is investing approximately $ 1.5 billion, representing 20% ​​of the total investment in the project. Jakarta expects to receive in return 50 KF-21 Boramae fighters, as well as technology transfer. It seems that in the foreseeable future, the star of Indonesia will rise in the sky of the military aircraft manufacturers.

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What is KF-21 Boramae for the South Korean economy?

According to preliminary information, South Korea should receive about 40 KF-21 by 2028 and another 120 by 2032. After completing the tests in the next at least two years, South Korea becomes the eighth country in the world to develop a fighter from the next generation at the local level.

But the fighter is not just good news for the Korean defense. 719 South Korean companies participated in this project. Thirty thousand parts, or 65% of the fighter, are manufactured in South Korea. It expects that in the coming years, the KF-21 fighter will significantly change the country’s economy. According to preliminary information from the Program Administration, the percentage of parts produced in South Korea will increase.

In recent years, the KF-21 has created 12,000 jobs and expects to do another 100,000 new jobs once it goes into mass production. The fighter intends to add about $ 5.4 billion to the country in the coming years.


Read more: https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/2021/04/1...-and-indonesia/

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post Apr 11 2021, 08:01 AM

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First prototype of Indonesia indigenous Elang Hitam MALE UAV. Maiden flight scheduled this August. Credit to Lembaga Keris.

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post Apr 11 2021, 08:33 AM

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First prototype of Indonesia Pindad new Anoa 3 6x6 APC. Taller and bigger than the previous one with a new customized Timoney modular driveline, transfer case and steering system. Credit to World Defense Zone FB.

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Lampuajaib
post Apr 11 2021, 09:01 AM

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First prototype of Indonesia Pindad new Anoa 3 6x6 APC. Taller and bigger than the previous one with a new customized Timoney modular driveline, transfer case and steering system. Credit to World Defense Zone FB.

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So, TNI preffer 6x6 than 8x8?
I thought they will move to 8x8 when Pindad get license to build Pandur 8x8

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post Apr 11 2021, 09:10 AM

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So, TNI preffer 6x6 than 8x8?
I thought they will move to 8x8 when Pindad get license to build Pandur 8x8
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The Pindad Cobra 8x8 (licensed Pandur) iinm is still on and Pindad also is currently developing an indigenous 8x8 APC and a Tracked IFV (based from the Harimau Tank). A mock up of the Tracked IFV is currently being built for Indo Defence 2021 Exhibition.

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post Apr 11 2021, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 11 2021, 09:10 AM)
The Pindad Cobra 8x8 (licensed Pandur) iinm is still on and Pindad also is currently developing an indigenous 8x8 APC and a Tracked IFV (based from the Harimau Tank).
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No more detail pictures on this anoa 3?
It looks taller and bigger. Is it amphibious already?

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post Apr 11 2021, 11:45 AM

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No more detail pictures on this anoa 3?
It looks taller and bigger. Is it amphibious already?
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https://bpd.telkomuniversity.ac.id/kerjasam...kendaraan-anoa/

The front design still retain the French VAB base design. As for if its amphibious i have no idea. The capsule like cupola for the gunner on the front left is no longer in the new Anoa 3.



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post Apr 11 2021, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 10 2021, 07:50 AM)
KF-21 Boramae pre roll out ceremony pics still with the KF-X marking before changing it to KF-21. Credit to Bemil Chosun.

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https://bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/bbs/view.html...pn=1&num=222930
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So when the KFX maiden flight will begin? i cant wait for it.
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post Apr 11 2021, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(Naskah @ Apr 11 2021, 06:04 PM)
So when the KFX maiden flight will begin? i cant wait for it.
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Based from news the first flight test is scheduled for 2022.


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post Apr 11 2021, 08:58 PM

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Korean FA-50 competes with Pakistan-China developed jet in Malaysia

By Kang Seung-woo

The FA-50, the nation's first domestically developed light attack aircraft, is competing against the Pakistani-Chinese jointly manufactured JF-17 fighter for the Malaysian Air Force's Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) program, under which Kuala Lumpur seeks to purchase 18 jets to replace its aging MiG-29 fleet, according to sources, Sunday.

"Despite interest from a diverse group of manufacturers, the FA-50 and JF-17 are the finalists," the source said.

The FA-50 is a variant of the T-50 supersonic trainer jet, manufactured by Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI).

Since its first deployment in October 2013, 60 FA-50s are operated by the Korean Air Force. In addition, the FA-50 has been exported to Iraq, the Philippines and Thailand.

Initially, France's Rafale, the multinational Eurofighter and the United States' F-18 were put forward for the Malaysian program, but the project has been downsized to purchasing light attack aircraft due to budget issues, giving a fighting chance to India's Tejas, Italy's M346 and Russia's Y-130.

Should the KAI win the deal, it would be a huge compensation for its failed exports to Argentina.

Despite interest from Buenos Aires, the KAI, which uses several British-made parts in the FA-50, was unable to close a deal for the sale of eight aircraft due to an arms embargo imposed by the British government on the South American country.

However, the FA-50 is reportedly behind the JF-17 in the race as the latter possesses a better mid-range weapons capacity which is a requirement of the Malaysian Air Force.


http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=306949

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post Apr 11 2021, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 11 2021, 08:58 PM)

FA-50 is comparable to Yak-130, Hawk etc...

JF-17 is more like earlier blocks of F-16
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QUOTE(Lampuajaib @ Apr 11 2021, 09:01 AM)
So, TNI preffer 6x6 than 8x8?
I thought they will move to 8x8 when Pindad get license to build Pandur 8x8
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As with all Indonesian Army acquisitions, its probably divided between equipment for KOSTRAD and the KODAMs. I'm guessing that Cobra/Pandur II 8x8 are meant to go to the KOSTRAD, which is already equipped with Leopard 2A4/2RI, Marder IFVs, Self-Propelled Howitzers, among others. Meanwhile, Anoas (6x6) will head for the KODAMS, which are also the main recipients of the new Tiger Medium Tank.

In essence, Indonesia's Army is largely divided into 2 formations:

1) The Strategic Reserve Force (KOSTRAD) which serves as the main strike and manouver force of the Army, organized into divisions and equipped with the top of the line Western/NATO type major equipment.

2) The Regional Military Area Commands (KODAMs) which is the main defensive arm of the army, organized into regimental cantons based on the Wehrkreis model with a mandate to defend their territory in wartime. This unit is typically equipped lower-end Western/NATO type major systems, but locally-designed and produced where possible as costs is a major consideration given that KODAMs personnel makes up the vast majority of the army.

Then there's the Indonesian Marine Corps, part of the Navy and equipped largely with Soviet/Eastern bloc systems. This is where you'll find BMP-3Fs, BTR-50s, BVP-2s, RM-70s, etc.

All in all, there are effectively 3 acquisition lines to fulfill 3 different requirements for Indonesia's ground fighting forces. And this is a major - though not only - reason why Indonesia's list of equipment is an absolute rojak.


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post Apr 14 2021, 07:41 AM

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Indonesian Air Force CH-4 MALE UCAV. Photo by Jeff Prananda

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13 APRIL 2021

Indonesia receives first batch of Chinese-made AR-2 missiles for its CH-4 UAVs

by Ridzwan Rahmat

The Indonesian military has received its first batch of Chinese-made AR-2 air-to-surface, precision-guided missiles.

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A CH-5 UAV at Airshow China 2016, fitted with four AR-1 (blue) and four AR-2 (white) missiles. The Indonesian Air Force test-fired the AR-1 missiles from its CH-4 UAVs in 2019, and recently took delivery of an initial batch of of AR-2s. (Janes/Kelvin Wong)

Information and images provided to Janes indicate that the weapons, which will be deployed on the Indonesian Air Force’s (Tentara Nasional Indonesia – Angkatan Udara: TNI-AU’s) CH-4 medium-altitude, long-endurance (MALE) unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), arrived at the service’s main ammunition depot on the Iswahyudi Air Force Base on 8 April.

These images also indicate that the missiles, which were packed in crates of two projectiles each, were delivered in a shipping container that also included an undisclosed number of pylons and rail launchers.

The AR-2 relies on its inertial guidance system for mid-course updates and on its semi-active laser (SAL) seeker for terminal homing. The weapon can carry a 5 kg armour-piercing warhead and has a maximum range of about 8 km.

The TNI-AU currently operates a fleet of six CH-4 UAVs, the first two of which made their public debut in October 2019. The CH-4 variant supplied to Indonesia has an operating radius of between 1,500 km and 2,000 km and can be operated via satellite link.

The TNI-AU’s CH-4s were also seen armed with the larger AR-1 missiles during a 2019 exercise in East Java, Indonesia.


https://www.janes.com/defence-news/indonesi...-its-ch-4-uavs/
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post Apr 16 2021, 09:41 PM

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