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post Dec 9 2021, 01:12 PM

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post Dec 11 2021, 08:37 AM

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Philippine will be the 1st foreign operator of the T129 ATAK attack helicopter.


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FNSS & PT Pindad to collaborate in the joint production of ZAHA Marine Assault Vehicle.

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COLLABORATION BETWEEN PT PINDAD (PERSERO) AND FNSS

VP Business Development of PT Pindad (Persero) Bandung, Yayat Ruyat accompanied by VP of Marketing and Sales, Edy Purwanto and his staff welcomed the visit from Baris Aslan, Project Manager Medium and the FNSS team and Colonel Aji Nurmanihadi, Paban 1 Ren Slogal and the ranks of the Indonesian Navy Headquarters on Friday, December 10, 2021 located in the Auditorium Room of the Bandung Pindad Office.

The purpose of this visit was to discuss cooperation with the FNSS. FNSS also delivered his presentation on amphibious vehicles for the continuation of the collaboration with PT Pindad (Persero). In the future, both parties will continue to collaborate in producing amphibious vehicle variants.

Through his remarks, PT Pindad (Persero) VP of Business Development, Yayat Ruyat warmly welcomed the arrival of various parties who were present at this meeting. "We appreciate the presence of the FNSS team who has been present in Bandung from Turkey to discuss the continuation of cooperation with PT Pindad (Persero). We hope that with the collaboration that has been established, it can support the development of PT Pindad (Persero) products, especially the amphibious vehicle variant," explained Yayat Ruyat.

In this activity, Baris Aslan as Project Manager of FNSS Medium explained the projected future collaboration with PT Pindad (Persero). One of the focuses of the collaboration product is amphibious vehicle products in the hope of responding to the needs of the Indonesian Navy.


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Read more: https://pindad.com/kolaborasi-antara-pt-pin...ero-dengan-fnss

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post Dec 11 2021, 11:12 PM

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Finns going to buy 64 F-35A
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post Dec 13 2021, 07:53 AM

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Dec 11 2021, 11:12 PM)
Finns going to buy 64 F-35A
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Do we really need 36 LCA?

How bout just buy 12 like sinki the just buy a MRCA next MP
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post Dec 13 2021, 08:12 AM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Dec 13 2021, 07:53 AM)
Do we really need 36 LCA?

How bout just buy 12 like sinki the just buy a MRCA next MP
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I don't think the SAF are buying just 12 in total, that's just their initial buy.

Combat jet aircraft require a lot of maintenance especially something like the F-35 stuffed with stealth and electronics. With 12 aircraft, you'd have very few aircraft available for operations - basically only 2 or 3 at any moment of the day.
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Dec 13 2021, 08:12 AM)
I don't think the SAF are buying just 12 in total, that's just their initial buy.

Combat jet aircraft require a lot of maintenance especially something like the F-35 stuffed with stealth and electronics. With 12 aircraft, you'd have very few aircraft available for operations - basically only 2 or 3 at any moment of the day.
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No i mean they just buy 12 m346.

What the purpose of buying 36 to 54 LCA.
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post Dec 13 2021, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Dec 13 2021, 01:57 PM)
No i mean they just buy 12 m346.

What the purpose of buying 36 to 54 LCA.
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lmao

they buy the trainer version for training only. we buy trainer and LCA version for training and combat.
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post Dec 13 2021, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Dec 13 2021, 01:57 PM)
No i mean they just buy 12 m346.

What the purpose of buying 36 to 54 LCA.
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It may not be just 12. Sg typically buys equipment in small batches and it is not known to disclose its military purchases or rather they just dont talk about it and military enthusiasts find out by themselves.

I think they initially bought only 8 f15SGs. Now, it is confirmed that they have at least 40 F15SGs (Boeing gave civilian production numbers to some of them prior to transfer to RSAF - likely because Sg want it that way). But keen observers note that F15Sg serial numbers 8373 and 8378 have been sighted i.e. the ostensible 73rd and 78th F15SGs. My guess is that they have bought 80 F15SGs in total over the years.


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RSAF F15SG based in SG^

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RSAF F15Sg attached to CONUS@Mountain Home.^

It does add up considering the F15Sgs replaced some (if not all) of the 60+ Super Skyhawks and 49-50 F 5 S/Ts. The remainder will be replaced by F35s which will also replace the F16Vs.

On how many F35s they want, see what they (SG) told the F35 programme office - up to 100 F35s:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-lock...744095420080707

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post Dec 13 2021, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Dec 13 2021, 03:29 PM)
lmao

they buy the trainer version for training only. we buy trainer and LCA version for training and combat.
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I know it going to be use in combat
Particularly as a close air support
Which mean we would fly it slow & low
Some of it would crash.

Which beg the question why not just let the army took are of it with an actual attack heli?
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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Dec 13 2021, 03:31 PM)
It may not be just 12. Sg typically buys equipment in small batches and it is not known to disclose its military purchases or rather they just dont talk about it and military enthusiasts find out by themselves.

I think they initially bought only 8 f15SGs. Now, it is confirmed that they have at least 40 F15SGs (Boeing gave civilian production numbers to some of them prior to transfer to RSAF - likely because Sg want it that way). But keen observers note that F15Sg serial numbers 8373 and 8378 have been sighted i.e. the ostensible 73rd and 78th F15SGs. My guess is that they have bought 80 F15SGs in total over the years.
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RSAF F15SG based in SG^

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RSAF F15Sg attached to CONUS@Mountain Home.^

It does add up considering the F15Sgs replaced some (if not all) of the 60+ Super Skyhawks and 49-50 F 5 S/Ts. The remainder will be replaced by F35s which will also replace the F16Vs.

On how many F35s they want, see what they (SG) told the F35 programme office  - up to 100 F35s:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-lock...744095420080707
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Pretty much doubt it.
Doesn't seem anyone is replace their F15 with F35.


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post Dec 13 2021, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Dec 13 2021, 05:04 PM)
Pretty much doubt it.
Doesn't seem anyone is replace their F15 with F35.
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Thats not what i wrote. The F15Sgs replaced some or all of the Super Skyhawks and F5 S/Ts see my post.

The RSAF also bought 6 MRTTs (so far) to replace 4 KC 135Rs. Connect the dots...more and bigger tankers because of more air frames (now and/or in the future).

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post Dec 13 2021, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Dec 13 2021, 04:49 PM)
Which mean we would fly it slow & low
Some of it would crash.

Which beg the question why not just let the army took  are of it with an actual attack heli?
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because jet is jet, heli is heli; both have different advantages and disadvantages

helis are crazy fragile, as both the USSR and USA have found out. in Afghanistan, the mujahideen shot down Hinds and Hips with machine guns. in Iraq, the USA famously lost dozens of Apaches damaged and some destroyed.

the advantage of combat air support using jets is that they are MUCH less vulnerable, can sometimes react faster, and in some cases carry heavier payloads. consider; an attack helicopter can only carry rocket pods and an autocannon, while combat jets can carry that and/or at least a couple of heavy bombs that can hit harder than anything a helicopter can do

case in point:

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post Dec 13 2021, 05:58 PM

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Indonesian indigenous Elang Hitam (Black Eagle) MALE UCAV first prototype. Maiden flight expected this month.



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post Dec 13 2021, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Dec 13 2021, 05:11 PM)
Thats not what i wrote. The F15Sgs replaced some or all of the Super Skyhawks and F5 S/Ts see my post.

The RSAF also bought 6 MRTTs (so far) to replace 4 KC 135Rs. Connect the dots...more and bigger tankers because of more air frames (now and/or in the future).
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It seems they maintain more or less around 100 jet.
So i doubt they eventually bought 100 f35
Most country are currently reducing it's f35 committed number


Probably around 60 only while the F15 would be replaced by another air superiority platforms?
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Dec 13 2021, 06:21 PM)
It seems they maintain more or less around 100 jet.
So i doubt they eventually bought 100 f35
Most country are currently reducing it's f35 committed number
Probably around 60 only while the F15 would be replaced by another air superiority platforms?
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Likely 80 F15Sg + > 80 F35A/Bs by early 2030s.

They were operating 60+ Super Skyhawks (last Skyhawk retired in 2005) + 49-50 F5 S/Ts (retired in 2016) + 70 F16s before they started retiring the older air frames from 2000.

RSAF is in transition.

Sgs style is to upgrade and then replace. So I would expect the F15SGs to be upgraded to maybe EX standard. It is not a major upgrade as the F15SG is already a 4.5 gen jet equipped with AESA and some of the latest EW systems.

But yes, the F15Sg will be replaced eventually.

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Dec 13 2021, 05:44 PM)
because jet is jet, heli is heli; both have different advantages and disadvantages

helis are crazy fragile, as both the USSR and USA have found out. in Afghanistan, the mujahideen shot down Hinds and Hips with machine guns. in Iraq, the USA famously lost dozens of Apaches damaged and some destroyed.

the advantage of combat air support using jets is that they are MUCH less vulnerable, can sometimes react faster, and in some cases carry heavier payloads. consider; an attack helicopter can only carry rocket pods and an autocannon, while combat jets can carry that and/or at least a couple of heavy bombs that can hit harder than anything a helicopter can do

case in point:

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Yeah I know fast jet are more flexible.

Just curious since an actual MRCA can do the job of LCA as well. Why not just buy the MRCA.

So why not just end the LCA acquisition at 18 (or 25 for m346) and just start buying a MRCA next MP?

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