Yup the kedah kelas is actually meko 100 at 1860 tons and become a river gun boat

The chinese LMS 700 tons from boustead I think isva gun boat. Correct me if I am wrong.

Tun fatimah already cost 60 million, wow

How much for a gunboat version of the Damen lookalikes FAC?

If it's anything like the fassmer, does that mean TNI is paying RM150 million just to fit in those ASW missiles?

Why Malaysia do not involve TLDM and local buillders to cooperate with either South Koreans or Finnish or Dutch on such projects?

South Korean built good warships. They have good ship builders. Indonesia learn a lot from south Korea and Dutch.  Or

If the vessel is good and suitable, why do not purchase from PT PAL Indonesia? 🤔🤔

Or prefer pay 5x extra  and buy from France ended kaput project?

We did south Korean before.
Remember the gagah samudera?

Doesn't end up well either. Korean move on the Philippines also doesn't end well. KFX jet to ID is 50:50, and Korean submarine which itself is based on German design are being undercut by German who is now negotiating directly with ID.

Military sells is a cut throat bussiness. At the end foreign sales are most likely being subsidies by local taxes payers. And thus the reason why F35A is half the price of rafales or type 31 is cheaper than a gowind.

For a small country like us, self sufficiency in military equipment design shouldn't be a policies at all.

Of course it is not France problem. But Naval Group corvettes poorly armed are very high price. At that time Gowind 3100 ton RM$1.52 bil a vessel or US$400 million.

TLDM specs for missile system was never short range Mica (effective range 12 km) . TLDM has specified ESSM on MK 41 VLS launcher with 40 km range. As you know MK 41 launcher can accomodate 4 missile persilo. Hence 8 silo can accomodate 32 VLS missile. The land attack missile was Konesburg.

Thats why Thales Smart S-Mk2 Pesa fire radar  was selected because this radar is primarily use in conjunction with essm mk 41 VLS. But again a lower spec French product was given priority over the better one at same price.

Our Gowind cannot fire Aster missile because Gowind do not operate on Thales Herakles PESA Radar.

Instead of producing multi purpose light frigate / corvettee, it came out as ASW corvette but at a very ripped off price.

Guess that's where the rebooted LMS comes in.
If anything the RLMS is likely just a tun Fatimah but with ESSM. And probably with minesweeper and/or hydro ship equipment install.

Of course it is not France problem. But Naval Group corvettes poorly armed are very high price. At that time Gowind 3100 ton RM$1.52 bil a vessel or US$400 million.

I read the navy requirements in certain publications. When you have politikus who knew nuts about naval vessels and weapon sistem to decide, what decision we see???😁

The navy requested for ESSM, they know it well that they need it. Remember the Naval officer, Captain or XO are the one that going to operate the vessels.Not politikus.

I do not think your reasons are the main reasons. The naval officers are also involved in system selection from the 1st stage and i bet they know what they are doing better then all of us here.

They try to do away with French weapon system. The Thales Smart S-Mk2 is the prime radar use if ESSM is considered. Thats why those involved were frustrated. You pay for 5 star but get 4 star accomodation.

Thought this MCM mothership are build by Damen & naval group?

Then the acquisition of the gowind is a good thing then.

If your cosideration only on size then another option is the PT PAL Makassar class LPD cost only $45 Mio.
It is 122m ship with amphibious capability plus 2 units LCU inside the ship.

You can not compare this ship to Kedah directly..
Its length only 107m but the weight is 3500 tons. It is heavier than 115m formidable class. Many things they put on it.

But I preffer type 31 than this.

60m ship is big enough for MCM, why need a bigger one?

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Hence what make us think by buying the Blue Print one can built a modern stealth warship of current generation.???

My tought is...
ID is collecting all 5K-6K ton frigate, exploring  what benefit they can get before they decide which one or two can give most benefit for them not only for TNI but their local marine industry too.

Technically the gov are firm in her decision

It's a rebooted not a 2nd batch. Kedah & chinese LMS is BNS product. Doubt any politicians brave enough to give anything to BNS anymore.

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To be fair to mat Sabu,  Put yourself in his shoe, the cost had increase by 40%, and retrofitting the ship to fullfil RMN wishlist would shoot the cost even higher. Tell the rakyat that it's all his predecessor fault does nothing as people would say, he's the menteri now,fix it.Unfortunately for him no easy solution are found, like for example let cancelled the some ship like gagah samudera, or let's not arms it like kedah. Not helping that At that point in time, the rakyat mood is more towards pacifism.He need some kind of justification to tell the already angry rakyat why more money need to be dump in. Not really the easiest thing to do.

You can built one in Naval Group France and 5 in Boustead. Give local engineers and technician the hands on skill learning from Naval Group engineervactually building the ship

Then built the balance 5 here. How much it cost you extra of building one in Naval Group to ensure success of fhe project ?  Total project cost is RM$9.12 billion, not a small sum.

I bet ST Marine Engineering Spore is a much experience and higher technology yard . Now they even built future Singapore destroyer and LPD (Helicopter carrier)

When building Formudable class, the 1st unit was built in Naval Group with ST Maribe engineers there. The balance 5 in Sppre.

I bet they also take the opportunity to exposed and learn as much.

And all 6 Formidable class complete on time in service for years 😁

Even china admit the main disadvantage of J-10, J-15, J-20, FC-31 is reliable high thrust turbofan jet engines. They have been depending on Saturn-30 and now developed the WS-10 which still derived from P & W F119. WS-10 still need years to be perfected.

I hope we can learn from China attitude. Yes you can built figher but if you do not have reliable engines liked F404, F414 , F100-220 or saturn 30 you cannot keep your jet in the sky.

Yup , after pouring in , i expected the RM$9.12 billion.

The korean ckd incheon class FFX from Hyundai. US$330 circle I think at 3200 tons. CODOG powered. 30 knots. Naval shield mgmt system. 1 gun. 1 RAM  and land attack missiles. Basically they based on American system. If ckd this version better.

At US 330 mil,  better CKD the type 31.almost Same price,twice the ship size.

The jose Rizal class shows that the Korean are no better than the french at pushing their what some may consider ' inferior but similarly price equipment' to the Pinoy. Thought the Joe Rizal class price of RM 655 millions do comes close to rebooted LMS prices of RM 500 millions.