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Whatever the italian navy calls that ship, that 560 million euro 143m 6,000 tonnes ship by all practical purposes is a general purpose frigate.

New CN235-NextG MPA for the Indonesian Navy currently undergoing flight test. Credit to akangaviation.



https://www.instagram.com/p/CT15AKnBSDC/

what new destroyer do you get for usd450-ish million?

9 billion ringgit for 6 ship la bro check your source jangan main sebat je

Option one was to get Naval Group – the state owned French company and design authority – to act as the main contractor replacing Boustead Naval Shipyard (BNS) or option two allow BNS – a Malaysian state owned company and main contractor for the LCS – to complete two ships for another RM3 billion. The third option was to find another company to revive the project.

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Tell me what manufacturing problem?

The admirals who asked for changes dont work for TLDM but BNS is it?

Mat Sabu who did not decide on anything works for BNS is it?
don't you understand that there is no agreed final specs from the customer

How to complete when there is no agreed final specs??????

there is a set of specs when started, but after start, additional specs are added, specs are changed. and the government don't want to pay for all those changes that was requested. but no decision to proceed with original specs.

Well obviously the highly professional general with 20 years experience the One who didn't want a simple brown water Navy equipment that the Gowind are design for. Probably because they don't want to be a brown water navy anymore kot?

A day or two ago, TNI published the video in youtube the succes of OPV KCR 40 equipped with Denmark made (Western CMS) Terma C Naval Combat Management System and Terma radar BUT fired a CHINA made C-705 anti ship  missle and hit target. Terma is widely use in many corvettes.

Well a western CMS integrate with a China made missle. Why not?

What is the price of KCR 40 and the larger KCR 60 as opv gun boat or as missle boat

This is not a KCR-60M but an Indonesian Navy Parchim Class.

Never realize that the defense white paper is already out in the public domain.

Some infographic from the defense white paper





Plans acquisition for the next 10 years

Kawasan teras
*ATM akan mewujudkan Angkatan Amfibi bagi melindungi kepentingan negara melangkau kawasan teras. Angkatan Amfibi ini perlu dilengkapi Kapal Sokongan Pelbagai Guna (Multi Role Support Ship, MRSS)

*Angkatan Masa Hadapan memerlukan 155mmSelf-Propelled Howitzer (SPH) sebagai bantuan tembakan tidak langsung yang utama yang juga boleh digunakan untuk pertahanan pantai. ATM juga perlu menggantikan 105mm Light Howitzer yang telah usang dengan senjata baharu yang mempunyai jarak tembakan yang lebih Jauh danmempunyai ketepatan menembak yang lebih baik

*Angkatan Masa Hadapan memerlukan sistem Pertahanan Udara Jarak Sederhana (Medium Range Air Defence, MERAD) baharu

*ATM perlu menggantikan Kenderaan Perisai (Armoured Vehicle, AV) yang uzur kepada yang lebih baharu dengan perlindungan yang lebih baik, meningkatkan daya tembak, ketahanan yang lebih tinggi dan kemampuan amfibi. Keperluan ini bagi memastikan pasukan
Armor dan Mekanize boleh diatur gerak di seluruh kawasan teras yang bentuk muka buminya boleh menjadi sangat mencabar terutama di Sabah dan Sarawak.

* Angkatan Masa Hadapan juga memerlukan Helikopter Pengangkut Taktikal (Tactical Transport Helicopter) untuk diatur gerak secara cepat dan bot tempur untuk operasi sungai dan pantai.

"Bagi melindungi ruang udara dan menyokong operasi daratan, operasi maritim dan operasi amfibi di kawasan teras, Angkatan Masa Hadapan memerlukan Pesawat Tempur Ringan (Light Combat Aircraft, LCA) untuk Bantuan Udara Rapat (Close Air Support, CAS), Serangan Udara Medan Tempur (Battlefield Air Interdiction, BAI) dan operasi pemintasan untuk menyokong Pesawat Tempur Pelbagai Guna (Multi Role Combat Aircraft, MRCA). LCA juga akan melaksanakan peranan berganda sebagai pesawat latihan pejuang (Fighter Lead-In Trainer, FLIT)

*Bagi operasi maritim di dalam kawasan teras, ATM akan mengaturgerak Kapal Misi Pesisir (Littoral Mission Ship, LMS) yang boleh menjalankan pelbagai misi termasuk SAR dan HADR, antikeganasan dan antipelanunan, pengumpulan risikan dan peninjauan, hidrografi
dan antiperiuk api.LMS adalah reka bentuk modular dan boleh dilengkapi dengan senjata dan sistem tambahan untuk memenuhi keperluan operasi masa hadapan.

* ATM juga merancang untuk memperoleh
Kenderaan Bawah Permukaan Autonomi (Autonomous Underwater Vehicle, AUV) dan Kenderaan Pemusnah Periuk Api (Mine Disposal Vehicle, MDV) untuk menyokong operasi maritim di kawasan teras
Kawasan Lanjutan

*ATM perlu mencapai Kawalan Laut (Sea Control) di permukaan dan bawah permukaan melalui Penafian Laut (Sea Denial) dan Penegasan Laut (Sea Assertion). Justeru, ATM bergantung pada dua kelas kapal perang iaitu Kapal Tempur Pesisir (Littoral Combat Ship, LCS) dan Kapal Ronda Generasi Baru (New Generation Patrol Vessel, NGPV) yang mampu melaksanakan operasi di kawasan ini dengan jarak, ketahanan dan keupayaan yang diperlukan

*Sementara itu, NGPV sedia ada juga boleh dilengkapi dengan sistem
senjata tambahan jika diperlukan.

*MDA akan dipertingkatkan lagi dengan Pesawat Ronda Maritim (Maritime Patrol Aircraft,MPA) dan Sistem Udara Tanpa Pemandu Aras Sederhana Ketahanan Tinggi (Medium Altitude Long Endurance Unmanned Aerial System, MALE UAS) untuk melaksanakan rondaan pengawasan maritim dari udara. ATM memerlukan Helikopter Misi
Maritim untuk meningkatkan keupayaan kapal tempur baru yang dijangka beroperasi pada akhir tempoh KPP ini. Setiap sistem penderia (sensor) dan sistem komunikasi dari kapal tempur, MPA, MALE UAS dan helikopter akan dirangkaikan ke Pusat NCO ATM untuk MDA yang lebih menyeluruh di kawasan lanjutan.

*Sistem Radar Pertahanan Udara tambahan akan membantu mencapai litupan radar yang menyeluruh dan pengawasan ruang udara sepanjang
masa 24/7, kawalan ruang udara dan tindakan penguatkuasaan.Kerajaan memperakui bahawa melindungi dan mempertahankan kawasan lanjutan adalah sangat mencabar untuk ATM. Sehubungan itu,kerjasama dengan agensi keselamatan yang lain seperti APMM dan pihak berkuasa seperti Jabatan Perikanan dapat memperluaskan liputan untuk melindungi ZMM. ATM juga dipertangggungjawabkan untuk membantu tugas penguatkuasaan bagi menyokong agensi keselamatan yang lain.
Kawasan Hadapan

*Untuk melindungi dan mempertahankan kepentingan nasional di luar negara dan memenuhi tanggungjawab global serta melaksanakan operasi di kawasan hadapan, ATM bergantung pada kuasa udara (MRCA, Pesawat Pengangkut Bahan Api, Pesawat Pengangkut Strategik),
Angkatan Kapal Selam, dan Pasukan Khas. Untuk mempertahankan kawasan hadapan secara efektif, MRCA berupaya melaksanakan serangan strategik dan Gerak Balas Serangan Udara (Offensive Counter Air, OCA) terhadap sasaran udara, maritim dan darat.

Pada masa kini, ATM bergantung kepada pesawat F/A-18D dan SU-30MKM untuk misi ini dan penggantian akan dibuat setelah pesawat-pesawat ini mencapai tempoh tamat perkhidmatan pada Rancangan Malaysia ke-14 dan ke-15

"TUDM berhasrat untuk melengkapkan No 18 Skuadron kepada 18 buah pesawat Hornet dalam RMKe-12. Kombinasi F/A-18D
dan SU-30MKM adalah paling ampuh di rantau ini yang memberi kelebihan kepada Malaysia berbanding negara-negara terdekat.
*Bagi serangan jarak jauh dan cegah rintang oleh angkatan laut dikawasan hadapan, ATM kini mengoperasikan dua kapal selam kelas Perdana Menteri dengan keupayaan antiperiuk api serta
antipermukaan dan antikapal selam untuk melaksanakan maneuver jarak jauh secara halimunan

*ATM memberi keutamaan tinggi kepada kemampuan Pasukan Khas dalam melaksanakan operasi khas di kawasan hadapan. Pasukan Khas memberi kelebihan kepada kerajaan dalam melindungi kepentingan negara di kawasan hadapan. Keutamaan akan diberikan kepada
Pasukan Khas ATM dalam perolehan senjata dan peralatan khusus untuk melaksanakan operasi mereka. Di samping itu, latihan dan pembangunan keupayaan akan diteruskan dengan Pasukan Khas negara sahabat dan rakan pertahanan.
https://www.mod.gov.my/ms/maklumat/kertas-putih-pertahanan
Guess  i guess quite a lot correctly then.

Instead of looking at new conventional submarines, used submarines (of which the budget was already approved) or submarine rescue vessel, the Indonesian navy is now looking at compact submarines.



http://www.hisutton.com/images/Italy-Drass...t-Submarine.jpg

US$720 million  or RM$3.03 billion for 2 multi purpose frigate (AAW and ASW capability) at between 5700 tons to 6,000 tons each. Let say add another RM$1 billion for cost over run , the total is only RM$4.03 billion for for two units of 5700 tons to 6000 tons boats capable of AAW and ASW. Means one boat highest price RM$2.015 billion.

Lets see Gowind 3100 ton a boat after completion cost how much a boat. It was priced at RM$9.12 billion for 6 boat or RM$1.52 billion a boat.

We would see at the end after paying RM$9.12 billion how many Gowind 3100 TLDM will get😁😁 and we know the price per boat.

Do your maths later😁

UMW aerospace never did composites. It was established specifically to supply metallic jet engine components to RR.

Even though we don't export whole completed aircraft like Indonesia, our aerospace export value is like 10x of indonesia.

indonesian aerospace export value is only around 100 million dollars annually.

malaysian aerospace export value is more than 1 billion dollars annually.

If they want to be self sufficient, they need to make the N219 like we build buses. Creating something like prasarana in malaysia to buy hundreds of N219 to be used all over Indonesia. Giving subsidised flying service to rural indonesians. If not it will not be a self sufficiency drive.

On the other hand, Indonesia also wants to embed themselves into the global supply chain.

But currently what they do is mostly low tech metal fuselage and wing components. also those components are for low volume products like EC225/EC225M that sells like 2 dozen per year.

malaysia supplies components for almost all airbus and boeing aircraft that is being built annually.

Different country different needs.

They are going for self sufficiency similar to Korea & turkey while we are going to embedded ourselves deeper in the global supplies chain.

If not mistaken, France offer local assembly of rafales to us before. Which probably explains why ID are interested in KFX & Rafale despite it being twice the price of an American jet.

Overtime they would acquired IP for last gen weapon like Korea acquisition of KFX(which basically a nice looking super hornet), M11a1, 30mm dual aircraft gun, reverse engineered the s400 and so on.

As an industry, overall indonesian aerospace is small when compared to malaysia, even if it can build whole aircraft like CN-235, of which only the metal airframe is locally built, all the engines, avionics, radars, communications, hydraulic systems, even most of the raw materials is fully imported. Annually it manufactures less than 4 CN-235. Since 2012 PTDI has build just around 60 aircrafts, that number includes final assembly of helicopters from 100% overseas components for indonesian military.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/commentary/...s-di-rai-872466
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Malaysia for RMK12, has underlined the aerospace industry as one of the main priorities.



https://www.nst.com.my/business/2021/09/731...ace-sector-12mp
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https://www.astroawani.com/berita-malaysia/...nue-2025-322062

Even if you 100% design your own aeroplane, more than 50% of its components need to be imported. Even the aerospace spec aluminum need to be imported.

Selling less than a dozen aeroplane of your own design annually isn't going to create an aerospace industry.

Korea is having local aerospace industry for local consumption, and it has to take hard decisions. For example retiring perfectly airworthy 100+ blackhawks so that 100+ new Surion helicopters could be bought locally. Korea also exports a lot of aerospace materials. For example all F-15 fuselage now is made by KAI and shipped to USA for final assembly.

As it is right now, in SEA, singapore has the largest aerospace industry by far. Malaysia in 2nd place. By 2030 Malaysia aims to be the largest aerospace industry player in SEA. Indonesia cannot be a large aerospace player just by building its own aircraft.