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Ayammachiamboss
post Mar 25 2021, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Mar 25 2021, 09:34 AM)
Yes especially now under state of emergency government have the right to possession of your property

Compensation or not it will depends whether they are willing to pay is also another story as it can be lower than market

Buying property number 1 is location, location and location and the follow by purpose to monetise, build and only land titles comes in next

In fact buying leasehold can be as cheaper as 30% or more

The only question you have to ask will the banks willing to loan you money the buy the property unless you have the means buy it outright as cash borrowings
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Also not to forget the state is not obligated to renew even if you have money. And the state is not obligated to compensate you after the lease has expired. If the owner has a say then might as well make it freehold. The notion of leasehold means the state has the final say. Not you.

Just imagine you go lease a car from BMW. After 1 year must they compensate you if they wanna take back? Can you stop force them to renew? Remember it's a lease.

As for freehold, they can take your land but they must compensate for taking over your land.

If I am TS, I will buy only freehold. And go condo freehold if you must buy in good location but landed expensive. Never buy freehold in bad location.

This post has been edited by Ayammachiamboss: Mar 25 2021, 06:35 PM
Ayammachiamboss
post Mar 25 2021, 06:37 PM

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If you do buy leasehold, remember to dispose the property after 25 years and upgrade to freehold. Because there are many in Malaysia who still believe lease guaranteed can be renewed. When 99 lease expired their kids will cry father cry mother "PA ma, I thought you said can renew this double story Kota Damansara house wan? Why? Why did you leave me with nothing?"

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post Mar 25 2021, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(e-lite @ Mar 25 2021, 06:55 PM)
Not relevant statement. Desa Park City is not leasehold
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My mistake. KD then.
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post Mar 25 2021, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(Donidoni @ Mar 25 2021, 10:20 PM)
FH or LH, govt needs to compensate if they want to acquire your land for public purposes.  Your statement sounds like the govt will not compensate LH owners.  As long as the lease still active, the owner has right to be compensated.  The LH period will usually outlast us.  So, you will not see the day the govt wants to take back your land. 
What about your kids?  Your kids should be capable and independent enough to buy their own properties.
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Your statement is right that if the government takes your land when the lease is active, then you should be compensated. But many think that when the lease expires the government must compensate them still. That is a very careless thought.

My kids? Hmmm. I don't know what should I leave them yet. But whatever the decision is, why get a lease just for 10% discount?
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post Mar 25 2021, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(Donidoni @ Mar 25 2021, 10:23 PM)
You should train your kids to be capable and independent enough to buy their own properties.  You do not owe your adult kids a living.
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Actually I won't want my kids to be spoilt. But even if my kids are capable of handling their finances well, why should I get a land only to lose it 99 years later? If I leave it to my financially literate kids, maybe they can put the land to better use. That's better than losing the land so that some 2 ringgit shell company can buy it for cheap.
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post Mar 26 2021, 01:37 AM

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QUOTE(chamelion @ Mar 25 2021, 11:31 PM)
After the lease period over, the owner needs to renew it.
The rate is base on the location of the land.

If you go to PJ old town, you see a lot of vacant bungalows and houses. The reason is most of those houses owner have moved out but the house is not desirable in the market as it is at the very end of the lease. It will depreciate a lot for the buyer.

The renewal rate is between RM60k-250k.

That means if you buy the bungalow at RM1.8mil, you need to add say RM150k cash for renewing the lease within 10 years.

The actual house own value will be RM1.8mil + RM150k* + (time u own the house x 5% of RM150k)**.

*if you borrow the RM150k, then you also need to add interest from the loan.
**Rough way to calculate the loss of gain from interest.

Also, the paper value of the house is RM1.8mil, the bank will only borrow you 1.8Mil at max (which is not likely at all...).

No one who understands this will want to pay ~RM2mil to stay in an RM1.8mil house since there is a lot of property supply in msia...
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Does that mean if you do get the approval to renew your lease, you have to pay at least 2 mil for it?
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post Mar 26 2021, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(chamelion @ Mar 26 2021, 07:49 AM)
You pay RM2mil from your pocket.
RM1.8 for house and ~RM200k (If you calculate in detail, it might higher) for leasing fee.
Generally, gov allow lease renewal with no issue.

It is also an issue if you want to sell. You have to wait the appreciation of RM200k + the normal loan interest and fee to avoid lost.
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Thanks interesting to know that after 'owning' the house for 99 years you have to repurchase it when renewing the lease. I thought it is just extending the lease without paying for the house value again.
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post Mar 26 2021, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Mar 26 2021, 10:46 AM)
Huh?

Since when you need to re-buy the house?

Just pay the lease extension la... as for his calculation of RM150k to extend the lease.. he pull the number out of thin air..

for example

https://www.edgeprop.my/content/lease-renewal-just-rm1000
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I don't know that what the guy before me said. Anyway I did a little more research. There are many links saying renewal in Selangor is just 1k as you've shared. But then there is this

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&...5oWaWpQ3C4Pi2pn

"Keep in mind that the calculation of the premium rate as mentioned above is for the land itself. It does not include the building constructed on the land. "

Can anyone confirm if during renewal the building has its own premium to pay as well?

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post Mar 26 2021, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(StupidGuyPlayComp @ Mar 26 2021, 10:57 AM)
Only 1k, not 150k. The owner smile to the sky
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IF renewal is approved. I can't deny that knowing the renewal is that cheap in Selangor has to a certain extent shed some positive light on leasehold properties, but if you read carefully, if the lease is not renewed or the renewal is rejected, the land is returned to the state automatically.

Also, I am not surprised with the state of things in Malaysia, this 1k thing can be uturned.

 

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