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 Is vaccination against Covid-19 really necessary?

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SUSlijor the great
post Mar 24 2021, 12:48 AM

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Problem is noo they want people who otherwise would not suffer anything from covid-19, to RISK their own lives with uncertainty by using experimental vaccines, just to protect the weak minority who would've been affected by covid-19.
Why should the majority people who could survive the virus easily (majority) risk their health with experimental vaccines for the weak minority (who would've been killed by the flu anyway)  ?
It makes no sense at all.
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You’ll never hear the mainstream media breakdown the risk benefit for vaccines by age group. Even in this opinion piece they quote the overall mortality risk of 0.37%. Whereas the infection fatality ratio for those in some age groups is about two orders of magnitude lower than this figure, per cdc.

At those low levels, the slight risk of developing cardiovascular complications from the vaccines (if proven) start to become a concern to those healthy young populations.

Also I would be curious, what are the age and health profiles (comorbidities) of the 14% of those diagnosed with covid who have to be hospitalized because they develop cytokines storms, according to this editorial.

This post has been edited by lijor the great: Mar 24 2021, 12:56 AM
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post Mar 24 2021, 01:08 AM

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QUOTE(lijor the great @ Mar 24 2021, 12:48 AM)
You’ll never hear the mainstream media breakdown the risk benefit for vaccines by age group. Even in this opinion piece they quote the overall mortality risk of 0.37%. Whereas the infection fatality ratio for those in some age groups is about two orders of magnitude lower than this figure, per cdc.

At those low levels, the slight risk of developing cardiovascular complications from the vaccines (if proven)  start to become a concern to those healthy young populations.

Also I would be curious, what are the age and health profiles (comorbidities) of the 14% of those diagnosed with covid who have to be hospitalized because they develop cytokines storms, according to this editorial.
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Majority of those who kena severe COVID-19 are old and/or fat la.

Doctors working in COVID-19 wards can confirm.

And after Phase 2 of vaccination is completed, we'll see how many still kena severe COVID-19 and die.



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post Mar 24 2021, 07:28 AM

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Ask those fat people to eat healthy and walk more rather than waste money to vaccinate and then cycle starts again by eating more

Vaccinate those with immune compromised and healthcare and you will see the waste of time and money to vaccinate the entire population 🤦‍♀️
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post Mar 24 2021, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Mar 23 2021, 11:00 PM)
We'll see after Phase 2 vaccination is completed.
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Which is why our government is suggesting to put a June deadline right? hmm.gif

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post Mar 24 2021, 03:06 PM

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I think is necessary. buy a vaccine save your wallet and your health
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post Mar 24 2021, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Mar 24 2021, 01:08 AM)
Majority of those who kena severe COVID-19 are old and/or fat la.

Doctors working in COVID-19 wards can confirm.

And after Phase 2 of vaccination is completed, we'll see how many still kena severe COVID-19 and die.
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No its not just the old/fat who develop 'severe covid-19'. The article mentioned that a segment of the human population (14%) is prone to having their immune system overreact into a cytokine storm in order to fight off the infection. Without hospitalisation, their organs could fail and they could die.

Even for people who only develop mild symptoms or no symptoms, the real damage could be significant like lung 'opacities' (long term/permanent) and they could turn into long haulers.

https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-10-28/Wha...LyYo/index.html
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/a-mi...g-term-symptoms
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditi...ts/art-20490351

Lastly the article mentions the problem with new covid variants. Without mass vaccination, the new variants which could be more infections/deadly will be allowed to spread at will and cause more problems and possibly develop into more deadly variants.



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post Mar 24 2021, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(imbibug @ Mar 24 2021, 06:59 PM)
No its not just the old/fat who develop 'severe covid-19'. The article mentioned that a segment of the human population (14%) is prone to having their immune system overreact into a cytokine storm in order to fight off the infection. Without hospitalisation, their organs could fail and they could die.

Even for people who only develop mild symptoms or no symptoms, the real damage could be significant like lung 'opacities' (long term/permanent) and they could turn into long haulers.

https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-10-28/Wha...LyYo/index.html
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/a-mi...g-term-symptoms
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditi...ts/art-20490351

Lastly the article mentions the problem with new covid variants. Without mass vaccination, the new variants which could be more infections/deadly will be allowed to spread at will and cause more problems and possibly develop into more deadly variants.
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I didn't say all who develop severe COVID-19 are old and/or fat people. I said majority.

The articles you shared contradict one another.

One said asymptomatic people MAY develop long covid. Another said MANY with mild symptoms develop long covid, but they can't give any hard data. All these articles use words like MANY or MAY. These are the words I use when I can't give hard figures.

But they did say this.

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only 4 percent showed signs of lung scarring on CT scans.

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Older people and people with many serious medical conditions are the most likely to experience lingering COVID-19 symptoms,


All these long covid articles are coming out of the West. What about Asians? Are Asians equally susceptible to long covid?

Western people are famous for things like thinking they have celiac disease even though they don't, or thinking that Asian food makes them sick because of MSG, even though all the processed food they eat all have MSG.

It's not proven yet whether any of the vaccines prevent asymptomatic infection. So, it might still be a waste of money to vaccinate young healthy people if the threat of asymptomatic infections turning into long covid is so significant.

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post Mar 24 2021, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(imbibug @ Mar 24 2021, 06:59 PM)
No its not just the old/fat who develop 'severe covid-19'. The article mentioned that a segment of the human population (14%) is prone to having their immune system overreact into a cytokine storm in order to fight off the infection. Without hospitalisation, their organs could fail and they could die.

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This is what the article said
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But what these sceptics do not take into account is the fact that (at this point in Malaysia) about 14 per cent of those who are diagnosed with Covid-19 develop an over-reaction of their own immune system — the “cytokine storm.”
These 14 per cent of patients have to be hospitalised because they need proper treatment including oxygen therapy, otherwise more of them will die.


It is quite different from what you wrote, which is 14% of the general human population.

Firstly... of those 14%, what are their age and health profiles? Are the majority of them fat and unhealthy to begin with? I don’t know, because kkm didn’t release such data.

What we do know is that those on the younger age group , patients below 50 have vastly lower mortality rate than the older ones, and if you control for those with comorbidities, their risk of serious covid is almost nil.

I have no comments on the long covid part because there’s just too much fudging and uncertainty of the data right now. Long term effects will be known once the long term is reached.

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post Mar 24 2021, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(lijor the great @ Mar 24 2021, 07:44 PM)
This is what the article said
It is quite different from what you wrote, which is 14% of the general human population.

Firstly... of those 14%, what are their age and health profiles? Are the majority of them fat and unhealthy to begin with? I don’t know, because kkm didn’t release such data.

What we do know is that those on the younger age group , patients below 50 have vastly lower mortality rate than the older ones, and if you control for those with comorbidities, their risk of serious covid is almost nil.

I have no comments on the long covid part because there’s just too much fudging and uncertainty of the data right now. Long term effects will be known once the long term is reached.
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Cha-ching cha-ching.

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Symptoms may improve over time

Navis has seen many of her patients’ long-haul symptoms get better over time.

“It can take time, but we are seeing a lot of people improve,” she said.

She hopes that as medical experts continue to treat long-haul COVID-19 patients, collaborate across specialties, and conduct research, improved treatment options will become available.

With many states currently reporting record-breaking rates of COVID-19, it’s likely that more support for long-haulers will be needed down the line.

“We must recognize that there will be a wave of patients with long COVID-19 entering our medical systems that will require continuing care and rehabilitation,” Glatter said.

“We must not only plan for this by developing centers of excellence, but allocate the necessary federal funds for research and care of these patients,” he added.
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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Mar 24 2021, 07:49 PM)
You need to pray very hard because Case Fatality Rate is 0.37%. Why don't you pray kena Ebola or something?
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lol true also
Lembu Goreng
post Mar 24 2021, 08:16 PM

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To me prevention better than cure

I lazy to get very sick so i just go for vaccine

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post Mar 24 2021, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Mar 24 2021, 08:41 PM)
You might get very sick from the vaccine too.
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There has been 0 evidence that vaccine has caused serious side effects, while it has so far been 100% that those vaccinated have not suffered serious Covid-19 symptoms
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post Mar 24 2021, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Mar 24 2021, 08:45 PM)
There has been 0 evidence that vaccine has caused serious side effects, while it has so far been 100% that those vaccinated have not suffered serious Covid-19  symptoms
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post Mar 24 2021, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Mar 24 2021, 08:50 PM)

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When i say serious side effects, it means life threatening

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post Mar 24 2021, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Mar 24 2021, 08:53 PM)
When i say serious side effects, it means life threatening
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Malas go round and round. Read back from 1st page.
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post Mar 24 2021, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Mar 24 2021, 08:57 PM)
Malas go round and round. Read back from 1st page.
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Read it, no life threatening side affects
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post Mar 24 2021, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Mar 24 2021, 07:48 PM)
Cha-ching cha-ching.
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most of the studies that come out always concludes with “more research and funding is needed in xyz area “

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post Mar 24 2021, 09:14 PM

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End of the day, it's all about risk management.

The risk is higher for no vaccination vs vaccination. Clear and simple.


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post Mar 24 2021, 09:15 PM

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Taking the vaccines has got nothing to do with "curing" Covid at all.

Unfortunately sheeps just cannot think. Sheeps really deserve to get "e......."
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Just share this. If anyone has an ear.
https://www.contendingfortruth.com/emergenc...3-22-21-part-2/



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