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gooroojee
post Nov 24 2022, 01:56 AM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Nov 23 2022, 01:43 PM)
But can you transfer from SG bank back to WISE? I read you can't receive money from outside Malaysia? Have you tried?
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Can. Just not direct to your Wise MYR account, receive from SG to your Wise SG account, then transfer however you wish..

QUOTE(MystiqueLife @ Nov 23 2022, 05:08 PM)
Can, otherwise it makes no sense to have USD account via JPMorgan from Wise. I've tried it, no problems. I don't use Wise to hold currency anymore as there is a bank card that allows me to hold unlimited foreign funds and acts like Wise.
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Wise foreign currency account is more to receive money from other countries' local bank transfers, e.g. SG local transfer to your Wise SG account, which I don't think your MY bank card allows, does it?
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post Nov 24 2022, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(MystiqueLife @ Nov 24 2022, 02:44 AM)
I am not using MY bank in particular. It is not restricted, exactly like Wise; without receiving fees/transfer fees and unlimited funds and able to transfer everywhere.
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I see. Is that bank card available for us Malaysians here as well? If so maybe I'll give it a try too.
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post Nov 25 2022, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(frankliew @ Nov 24 2022, 10:49 AM)
You can try rhb multi currency debit card or HSBC multi currency debit card.
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Those accounts/cards doesn't allow you to *receive* local fund transfers from other countries, do they? e.g. I open this in Malaysia but someone in SG sends me SGD via FAST transfer to me using this account.
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post Dec 3 2022, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Dec 3 2022, 09:27 AM)
Can make FD online without having a bank account?? I only have CIMB SG Account.
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You can open a FD account without a savings account.
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post Dec 3 2022, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Dec 3 2022, 12:27 PM)
? CIMB SG open FD they also auto open another savings account. If not FD mature withdraw go where? If it is CIMB MY I not sure. In fact a lot of bank FD in Spore need open savings account first and then use this as source to put FD. Those no need maybe is go branch counter settle as I DIY all online web mobile
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Different banks have different rules.
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post Dec 3 2022, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 3 2022, 05:05 PM)
About 2% spread from market rate. https://www.allianceonline.com.my/personal/...e_kiosk_view.do
I think your SGD in Alliance bank is just for FD, so what matters would be inward remittance and outward remittance charges plus the FD rate/tenure. The "functionality" is already limited to FD. Fee-wise, 7.50 MYR for outward remittance to SG bank account. No mention of charges on inward remittance on Alliance side from what I found. https://www.alliancebank.com.my/general/fees-and-charges
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How much of a premium above local Malaysian FD would someone need to de-risk the daily forex fluctuations? SGD went from 3.4 to 3.24 in just a few weeks.

Isn't the whole point of FD is an exchange of low returns and illiquidity for virtually zero risk? Adding forex introduces a very real risk of capital loss, and keeping it locked in a foreign FD removes your ability to maneuver quickly when forex is swinging significantly - either to lock in gains or to stop loss.
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post Dec 3 2022, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Dec 3 2022, 08:50 PM)
Rules are the same as it set by MAS 🤦‍♀️

Only the thing different is the implementation of it which is why all FD accounts must be accompanied with a savings account
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Interesting claim. Can you please point me to the MAS regulations that mandate this?

There are banks in both Singapore and Malaysia that do not require a savings account. From my experience, banks are happy to hold on to your money for as long as you don't collect at maturity, but usually they will renew the FD for you at prevailing rates. In Malaysia FDs left to auto-renew past 7 years will be transferred to unclaimed moneys.
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post Dec 4 2022, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(Toku @ Dec 4 2022, 12:33 AM)
I am not sure if we could directly use CIMB clicks to transfer SGD from CIMB SG to CIMB MY SGD Current account. Based on below quote, it seems using CIMB clicks there is zero fee. Someone need to simulate it in CIMB clicks to validate. If it can't be done, then the fee could be similar to the one issue via branch - which is hefty and not viable (much worse than TT outward from CIMB MY). 
I've used CIMB online banking to link my MY and SG accounts and transferred money back and forth between the two. No issues.
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post Dec 4 2022, 01:31 AM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Dec 4 2022, 01:01 AM)
Can you share which bank in Spore no need savings account to open FD? I refer to DIY placement of FD via web mobile not go to branch counter to place. I am Sporean btw so I am keen to know your lobang
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Sorry. I don't know whether there's one for web-based FDs specifically, and yes I'm referring to OTC. The earlier question I was replying to was a general statement about being able to place a FD without requiring a savings account in both SG and MY, not anything specific to eFD. My apologies as well as I might have missed to read the keyword - 'online' in the question.

I'm Malaysian btw, so my focus is a lot more on Malaysian banks, and just a small handful of foreign banks in a few countries. You probably know more SG lobangs than me lah.

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post Dec 4 2022, 07:36 AM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Dec 4 2022, 05:23 AM)
This MAS guidelines as below:

If you do not have an existing account with the bank, you might be required to open an account.
Thanks for the quote from MAS. Seems like a guideline rather than a regulation, and the use of "you might be"...
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post Dec 4 2022, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(tradingGo @ Dec 4 2022, 01:28 PM)
With currency conversion right? You're not transferring SGD from SG to MY without conversion, right?
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Yes, with. Rates are competitive and they offer zero fees now, as well as pay you the difference if you find a cheaper rate. Check their website for details.
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post Dec 13 2022, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(tradingGo @ Dec 4 2022, 01:50 PM)
Thanks!

They were talking about the one without currency conversion, ie transferring SGD from SG to MY, and to be placed in FD in MY (in SGD).
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QUOTE(Toku @ Dec 4 2022, 06:17 PM)
Did you transfer SGD from SG account to MY SGD account without currency exchange? We are interested to know if it is possible to transfer 1 for 1 SGD using CIMB Click SG and what is the charges. Thanks
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Hi, yeah I got it now. I don't have a FCA in CIMB so I can't try it out. I did call the contact center and also checked out the Cimbclicks app, it doesn't seem to have an option to perform SGD-SGD transfers, so seems like we can only do SGD-MYR from SG to MY. Probably need to go to the bank and perform the transaction at the branch, with not so great charges. That's for inbound remittance into MY. The question of outbound remittance back to SG is another unknown. Also, the CIMB FCA is a non interest bearing account, so all the effort to move SGD 'offshore' doesn't seem to have much benefit there.

For Alliance, like Toku said the FCFD has rates of 4.3% for 12 months tenure, and outbound SGD remittance for Alliance is RM7.50. Remind me to check outbound TT later on, as the TT service is only available 9:30am to 4:15pm.

PS: PSA to others on this thread of foreign FD - the hottest two countries with interest rates close to 10% are India and Vietnam...
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post Dec 15 2022, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 15 2022, 04:16 PM)
I found it to be about 2% from market rate. See my earlier reply.

If amount is big can negotiate with bank to ask for a more favourable FX rate.
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does this mean that we lost 2% putting money in and another 2% taking money out, assuming the currency exchange rate stays the same? so nett nett of a 4% interest rate is ... 0% ?
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post Dec 15 2022, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(Toku @ Dec 4 2022, 06:30 PM)
Ok. I think of one possible way to check the corresponding bank for the specific currency. Just try to simulate a outward SGD TT using Alliance online to see which corresponding bank show up in their form. If it is a named SG bank then it should be an "on shore" account that Alliance is keeping your SGD. May or may not work. It is just my wild guess. Just like what I think when I try to transfer EUR, CHF, USD, JPY, SGD into IBKR, it shows respective countries named bank as the saving account bank so I thought it was always on-shore.
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AllianceOnline Malaysia has these options for transfer of funds in foreign currency. One is Pay Myself, where options and details to be filled are shown in the screenshot:

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Second option is Pay Others -> via TT, which has a daily limit of MYR5,000 for SGD and the screenshot shows a sample list of beneficiary banks in Singapore:

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Hope that helps.
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post Dec 15 2022, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(Toku @ Dec 15 2022, 05:37 PM)
Yes, normally I just transferwise to IBKR during the day when the rate is attractive and later transfer out from IBKR to put FD.
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Is it possible to transfer from IBKR in SG to a USD FCA in Malaysia (or maybe even USD FCA in Singapore)?
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post Jan 18 2023, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 30 2022, 10:01 PM)
Info on eurodollar transfers within Singapore via DBS Remit.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/...#post-145559047
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Hi, side question. Do you have exchange rate and final amount to be received for dbs remit from SG to MY? Maybe comparing $1k and $50k assuming $50k has better rates.

I can share rates for cimb and maybank in return. 😊
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post Jan 18 2023, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 18 2023, 11:06 AM)
DBS remit still cannot beat CIMB SG rate. Tested so many time (didn't initiate the transfer). Just key in value.
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Mind sharing a screenshot of dbs remit rates today for $50k? Thanks!
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post Jan 18 2023, 12:54 PM

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CIMB intrabank 3.2679 nett flat rate, no other fees
Maybank intrabank 3.2483 nett flat rate, no other fees
DBS remit 3.24412 @50k SGD, possible inbound remittance fees by receiving bank
Wise transfer 3.2534 @50k SGD nett after deducting fees. Midmarket rate at 3.27416.

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post Feb 4 2023, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Feb 4 2023, 10:41 PM)
So assume I placed Eurodollar deposits at say, CIMB MY, following Gray's advice earlier. After maturity, I withdraw to Wise (via TT? -> which would mean 10-30 USD charge per transfer). Then when USD reach Wise, forced to convert to MYR (lose another 0.5-0.6% compared to interbank rate).

Assuming from here, I would like to continue with my journey to IBKR to buy US shares. That means from the forced MYR, I need to convert back to USD again (lose yet another 0.5-0.6% vs interbank rate), then direct ACH to IBKR (free of charge, USD appear in IBKR cash balance 1 day later).

That sounds like a lot of friction costs...
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All the intermediary, sender and receiver bank charges are unknown to me, when talking about Foreign Currency Accounts in Malaysian banks being used to send and receive foreign currency without a currency exchange... just need someone to do it once and share findings here. 😁

However, I'm pretty sure my Wise USD currency account can both send and receive USD via ACH, wire transfer within USA, and SWIFT outside USA.

I've also read about people sending USD in Wise directly to IBKR via ACH (no currency conversion involved).
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post Feb 5 2023, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(Mr Gray @ Feb 4 2023, 11:26 PM)
Where does it say bnm doesn't allow direct FX currency into the banking system? Is this your opinion or a fact?

I found no such limitation in BNM website.

Regardless, I will go to cimb branch and get confirmation.
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Just checked for Maybank.. it's allowed but transaction fees apply:

https://www.maybank2u.com.my/maybank2u/mala...rrent/mfca.page?

Edit - if link gives you grief, just look under current accounts then MFCA ...

Edit - added the screenshot and statement: "MFCA allows you to receive and make payments in foreign currencies without needing to convert to and from your MYR account." Need to confirm with Maybank on details.

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