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IT UOW Malaysia or Swinburne Sarawak, Bachelors degree in Computer Science

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ike.tan
post Mar 21 2021, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(Just Visiting By @ Mar 21 2021, 12:10 AM)
It kind of depends what IPTS you enter. Branch campus like UoW and Swinburne have their academic programmes strictly regulated by its home campus. That being said, both universities are rather fine even by Australian standard - not the top, but decent, reputable, and have performed well.

I myself am a Swinburne graduate and compared to my peers who graduated from IPTA studying the same programme, I cannot agree that IPTS has a shittier academic programme. Not to say IPTA is shitty, but the focus isn't the same, and both have their pros and cons.

I will, however, agree IPTS tend to have shitty facilities. Because IPTS tend to also be smaller, the diversity issue is acute, but I don't think it should be a factor for consideration.
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Isn't that over generalization? While most IPTS are very cost-conscious, there are exceptions. I feel that overall IPTS has better facilities especially at the top-tier institutions. For example - if you look at APU's facilities, it is leaps and bounds over any IPTA facilities. Unless you mean facilities overall which include sports and amenities and learning resources like libraries. But in terms of computer labs, i feel overall IPTS computer labs are generally better equipped.

Again on diversity - generally the diversity is more spread out in IPTS rather than IPTA. What is your general assumption and definition on diversity?

I have been lecturing in two different IPTS over the period of 20 years, just recently finished my PhD in an IPTA and I have also done MQA assessments in both IPTA and IPTS. If anything, the diversity ratio is more spread out in private universities. Would love to know the rationale behind the statements.
ike.tan
post Mar 21 2021, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(ansonlau123 @ Mar 19 2021, 07:59 PM)
I would like to continue my degree but between these both universities which one is better to study computer science?
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I don't really want to comment as there is a certain decorum and respect among universities and since i am also a council member for GDCOM and Swinburne is a partner under that council.

My only advice is to visit both campuses and get a general feel of the place. Every university has a different vibe and feel. From it's atmosphere to its environment and to its student body.

As stated by someone, both are Australian entities. The only key difference is that Swinburne is classified as a Foreign Branch Campus under a partnership between the Sarawak State Government and Swinburne Australia. While UOW Malaysia KDU was formerly known as KDU University College and was acquired by UOW Australia in 2019. This makes UOWM KDU the ONLY university in Malaysia that has been acquired directly by a Foreign University (and not a education group like INTI). And yes, both swinburne and UOW are strictly regulated by their Australian Mother Universities.


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post Mar 21 2021, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(ansonlau123 @ Mar 21 2021, 03:16 PM)
So once graduate from UOWMKDU:
1) I will received the certificate and transcript which are awarded by UOW Australia such as Swinburne Sarawak’s certificate is awarded by main campus in Australia
2) Or awarded by UOWMKDU which mean the certificate and transcript are different with the UOW AUSTRALIA?
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By next year it would be BOTH. A UOWMKDU and UOW Australia. That means you will get a Malaysian Honours Degree and an Australian non-honours (Australia honours requires another year). This will only be for the Computer Science, Software Engineering and Business Programmes.
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post Mar 22 2021, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(ansonlau123 @ Mar 21 2021, 05:51 PM)
If I join this year May intake, I will only receive 1 cert that is awarded by UOWMKDU?

Only if I join next year January intake, I will receive both cert awarded by UOWMKDU and UOW AUSTRALIA. If I graduated in 2022 year, I also can’t receive both cert?

By the way,the campus I choose is Glenmarie(Bachelor of Computer Science). Not Penang campus.
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I assume you are coming in at SPM/O'Levels Level? if so, then you will need to undergo a year in foundation. That would still mean that you will be eligible for the dual degree.

Unless you mean you are coming in straight at degree level, then that is something we hope to iron out by this year. Which i think, it may be settled. You can PM me directly if you want to learn more.

If I graduated in 2022 year, I also can’t receive both cert?
How is it possible to graduate by 2022? Maybe you can PM me with your details? Are you a diploma student? SPM/O'Levels? A'Levels/STPM?
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post Mar 22 2021, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(Just Visiting By @ Mar 21 2021, 08:30 PM)
Yes, when I wrote facilities, I meant sports and amenities and learning resources including library materials and laboratory equipment. Computer lab in IPTS may be better equipped but the number of labs is often less. Again, I would defend that because IPTS tend to have smaller campuses and hence pales in quantity. The story is different in regards to quality. Also, IPTA is more research-focus, IPTS is more on degree delivery. To clarify, I'm not saying IPTS doesn't care about research, I'm saying IPTS simply doesn't have the resources like IPTA do, and so when it comes to research, IPTA is very much more better equipped.

Diversity, in general I meant, is background, international exchanges, change in ideas, and communal and industrial activities. I agree it doesn't apply to all IPTS, but based on my experience, IPTA tend to get their students engaged in many activities sponsored by the industry. IPTS students have less such activities in comparison.

I was an engineering student. Perhaps it doesn't apply to other programmes, but the above is true for engineering. Can't say about business, finance, or technology.
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Ah..indeed. The facilities especially the sheer land build-up of Public Universities is amazing!

yeah - i agree with you on all fronts on the fact that IPTA is more research-focus, IPTS is more on degree delivery. IPTS cannot put in as much resources in pure researech in terms of manpower and budget. Although last i heard - to apply for a full university status, you need to have at least 30% of your revenue diverted into research. That is incredibly hard for private universities.

In terms of this - IPTA tend to get their students engaged in many activities sponsored by the industry. IPTS students have less such activities in comparison. I think the industry collaboration in terms of value is different. But again, that varies from university to university; and discipline to discipline. For example - i am heading the UOW Game Development programme and our industry collaboration is extremely close. In fact, we have frequent sessions with the industry from talks to curriculum review to projects.

I would also say the same with the One Academy who has VERY close ties with the animation industry. Much more than any IPTA out there.

I guess it depends on the fields. For engineering i would say probably IPTAs have a more closer link to the various industries.
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post Mar 29 2021, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(Leong Kok Leong @ Mar 29 2021, 03:55 AM)
Anybody know if there is a final year or 1+2 at Australia for UOW?
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Yes - there is an option to study a minimum a year in UOW Australia. You can also go for 2 years there as well - this is for the CS/SE degree programmes.

You can PM me for more info.

PS: I am not a marketing staff. I am an Academic. My job is just to give your facts and data.

Haha. Needed to say this, cause i've noticed some people who call out marketing people here.
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post Jun 16 2021, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(DrWatsons @ Jun 16 2021, 06:59 PM)
How about Electrical Engineering degree, is there an option to go to Australia with 2+1. If entering as a Diploma this year (Sept intake) and complete the Diploma (in 2.5 years) then proceed with Degree in Electrical Engineering, will the Degree conferred by UOW Malaysia + UOW Australia?
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While I am not in the School of Engineering, I will try to answer this best I can. There are multiple options you can consider:
1. UOW Malaysia EE Diploma can articulate to UOW Australia Bachelor of Engineering (Honours) - Electrical Engineering programme directly.
2. While you can continue your degree in UOW Malaysia for a year after diploma and then complete the rest in UOW Australia, i would just recommend the option of doing your Foundation in Engineering (FEng) and go to Degree for a year and articulate over to UOW Australia. In fact, our foundation is accepted as direct entry into UOW Australia as well. You get two offer letters as you come into our Foundation in Engineering (Or any foundation in UOW) programme - One letter to continue in UOW Malaysia and another to continue in UOW AUD.

Btw - the 1yr FEng - 1yr UOWM and 3yr UOW AUD should be safest as they are professional courses. This also means that you get the UOW AUD parchment.

If you do the entire BoE-EE Programme in Malaysia - you get a UOW Malaysia KDU parchment that is signed by UOW Australia Vice-Chancellor but it is still our UOW Malaysian Cert.

Does it make sense? Hope i answered your question


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post Jun 16 2021, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jun 16 2021, 08:39 PM)
Hi, may I ask would this apply for their MBA offered in UC or BK as well? As there is no mention on the website whatsoever. If the UOW AUD parchment is awarded as well, then this would be the best value MBA in Malaysia IMHO. But I doubt that is the case haha. No harm asking tho.
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Yeah - Our MBA is 100% UOW Malaysia KDU. The final Parchment will be signed by UOW Australia though.

Anyway - we are actually not just a Foreign Branch Campus. We are OWNED by University of Wollongong, Australia. Just in case you are wondering.
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post Jun 17 2021, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jun 17 2021, 01:12 PM)
Appreciate your response. Assuming it is fully owned by UOW itself, I find the approach mind boggling from the perspective of a prospective student as I am drawing parallels to the other major Australian university here in Malaysia, where the parchment is the same as what you would get in Australia.

Lexus is fully owned by Toyota, their need of differentiation was to establish Lexus as the more premium brand.

I wonder what is the need to differentiate UOW Malaysia KDU and UOW Australia. The impression it gives me, and prospective employers IMHO is UOW Australia is the premium brand thus leading one (me) to draw the conclusion that UOW Malaysia KDU is somewhat inferior in comparison.

And more importantly, the other Australian university's degree would be accredited by both MQA and its equivalent, TEQSA in Australia, since it is the same parchment and course. Whereas in the case of UOW Malaysia KDU, that would not be the case as TEQSA only authorised UOW to self accredit its courses and not UOW Malaysia KDU.

And as a disclaimer as not to mislead anyone reading my post, the above is merely my personal observation and conclusions as an individual who is assessing the various offerings available locally.
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I guess it is the same as why there is a need to have a Monash Malaysia, Swinburne Sarawak and Nottingham Malaysia as well. Any institutions that sets up and offers degree programmes in Malaysia needs to be accredited by MQA (actually the irony is there is a statement by MQA that says - accreditation is NOT compulsory). And the thing is that I am fairly certain that all these institutions needs to have a registered entity as well - for example Curtin University Malaysia Sdn Bhd - in order to apply for a license.

Actually - Monash Parchment does not state Australia. It just states Monash. I would need to ask if Nottingham, Reading and all states Malaysia in its parchment or transcript or not. I am also unsure of Swinburne and Curtin. Do you know for sure if it shows Curtin Australia or just Curtin?

In the case of UOW Australia - this is something they have practiced with the UOW Dubai campus and UOW Hong Kong as well. My opinion is that we have certain national and regional quirks that allows for the differentiation.

Btw - UOW Malaysia is also subject to the quality controls, processes and systems that is practiced in UOW Australia.
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post Jun 17 2021, 02:28 PM

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But yeah - thanks for the feedback and queries. I guess it also makes us - me especially wonder about the rest of the other FBC in Malaysia and how they are run in terms of parchments and transcripts. Would love to hear some feedback from the graduates at these universities.
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post Jun 18 2021, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(Just Visiting By @ Jun 17 2021, 08:33 PM)
I'm from Swinburne and I can confirm that Swinburne's certificate does not state Sarawak campus. The degree awarded is identical to the one in Australia,
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Yeah - i just did a check. Most of the other Foreign Universities (or known as FBC) in Malaysia (Heriot Watt, Swinburne, Curtin, Monash and Nottingham) all has the transcript and parchments just stating the university name without location. Although some has the 'Completed in Malaysia' word printed in the Transcript.

I am not sure (with the exception of Monash) the rest would state the country if the parchment was given out in the host Country. Eg: Curtin University will state Curtin University Australia if you graduate from Australia. I know Nottingham prints out the names of all three campuses - United Kingdom, China, Malaysia.

I guess it is different with UOW Malaysia as we are not a Foreign Branch Campus (FBC). KDU University College was acquired by UOW Australia and had a name change as per Ministry of Higher Education regulations. Acquisition means the purchase of the whole university licenses including MQA approved and accredited courses.


 

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