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post Jul 3 2021, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 3 2021, 11:07 AM)
This one needed to see market situation...
And since it's kinda big offering.... Don't expect like 100% profit 😁 like some of the smaller IPOs in Ace Market...

Ballot confirm hard..
Because market flush with endless $$$...
Smaller IPOs also can get so much multi millions $$$ for just few million share offering...
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PE 60 wor.
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post Jul 3 2021, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 3 2021, 07:55 PM)
That's why I said... Don't expect super good performance...
Most likely something like nestcon 😎 or little bit better πŸ’°πŸŽ‰
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Yes probably worse. Bad IPO.

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post Jul 3 2021, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(hybr1d3d @ Jul 3 2021, 09:58 PM)
Sorry noob here,
MRDIY IPO time many say not good this not good that now the price also up from 1.60 to 3.66 (as of 2-Jul closing) wor

why bad IPO?
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MR DIY is different. It was fbm KLCI candidate. And got high profit growth track record.
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post Jul 3 2021, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(JakkReaper @ Jul 3 2021, 09:50 AM)
This IPO suitable for buy and sell at first day open price kind of stock? Usually will profit or loss?
Also ballot very difficult to get ka for ikan bilis?
Sorry first time apply IPO
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Too big to move. Will take time. Mr DIY got institution investor support. This one abit harder.
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post Jul 4 2021, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jul 4 2021, 01:58 AM)
Wait and see would be the smart move to buy because most likely buy limit is surprising

I am parking some to buy into at 1.20 for dividends only

Let’s see this year dividend payout later  rclxms.gif
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?? U not gonna apply IPO?
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post Jul 5 2021, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Jul 5 2021, 09:53 AM)
are you kidding? this IPO dun have institutional investor? did you even read the prospectus to see who the cornerstone investors are?

suggest you take a read first on the prospectus.

But i have a hunch that this may also turn out like mr diy since they have the same ppl behind them.

Edit: As usual, PE firms will push for the max valuation because they wants out, they want their cash back. they made super good money whenever they exit their investee companies.
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Ctos not gonna be included in FBM KLCI. Maybe it will turn out like MR DIY. But the absent fbm klci factor will make a big difference.

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post Jul 5 2021, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Jul 5 2021, 01:37 PM)
Was Mr DIY included in the index when it first got listed?

Please answer this question above first.
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It was expected to. CTOS at RM 2 billion has little chance.
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post Jul 5 2021, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Jul 5 2021, 01:37 PM)
Was Mr DIY included in the index when it first got listed?

Please answer this question above first.
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I know you are a banker or finance guy, but you don't seem like an investor to me
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post Jul 5 2021, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(afro111 @ Jul 5 2021, 02:26 PM)
What does that have anything to do with his question?
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What dupe r u.
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post Jul 5 2021, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Jul 5 2021, 02:28 PM)
whether i am or not, doesnt matter to you, or it doesnt concern it at all to me, whether you think i am one or not.

back to topic, the inclusion of it in the index was a much later decision, coupled with poor performance of that glove company starting with "S" was one of the reasons.

actually what i am trying to point out is that, take a look at the major shareholder, and who is behind this IPO, they are the reason for the IPO, they want to cash out, that's what PE funds does.

Despite the skyhigh valuation, i would say, i will subscribe to some, given that I missed out mr DIY.

I would suggest you all to try some too, to try your luck.

But PE of 63 times is just too much for me. how much is the immediate dilution? I haven't read also.
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Jul 5 2021, 02:30 PM)
the CEO and founder of Creador is really somebody, who can move the market, the share price.

but have to be smart of when to join him to ride the wave.

I'd say, give it a try.
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You are right. It is bound to do well. Forget what I said earlier. Even GHL can reach PE 100. Another creador stock.
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post Jul 5 2021, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(afro111 @ Jul 5 2021, 02:51 PM)
dun understand
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whose dupe r u
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post Jul 6 2021, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(Shane727 @ Jul 6 2021, 03:40 PM)
Applied today morning and hope can get it this time, failed in last 4 ipo already
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Lol, so sad. First time get IPO but lose money haha. CTOS so big sure get. Make money or not is another thing
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post Jul 6 2021, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jul 6 2021, 02:35 AM)
The data will be out before mid day upon opening as you will see number of trades and volume

If you can pick up anything less than 1 after that just hold it for dividends payout because they can and willing pay more dividends after the debt settlement upon the Thai subsidiary because there is were they are putting the money next

I doubt it will go beyond rm1.50 upon opening unless major funds are buying in the open market because a lot of profit taking these few days as they are waiting for OPEC news to buy into RM strength on the news of oil price and possibly phase 2 of NRP which should be expected by end of the month

CTOS is good value hold provided buying into the right price because I am waiting for right time to trigger as well

Not very impressed with their subscription rates for IPO as the balloting queues should be now by millions already

Look at MrDIY most funds was buying after 3rd week which was at rm2.10 range onwards hence it will have a big chance the pattern will repeats again at rm1.50 this time
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jul 6 2021, 02:37 AM)
Consider that small when if it is blockbuster it should be 200k range now
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 6 2021, 10:21 AM)
Well...
Big offering...
High PE...

So it's kinda expected πŸ˜‰
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QUOTE(Mr.Weezy @ Jul 6 2021, 10:27 AM)
hopefully  :thumbsup:

Only mentioned special allocation, not sure if that translates to higher chance  sad.gif
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QUOTE(SURE ANGPOW @ Jul 6 2021, 10:58 AM)
seems Everybody want  to sell after getting  the IPO  haaa....
RM 1.16 fair value hard to sustain

Can't rule out down below the IPO price given the Kaput market sentimen  sweat.gif  lately
After all  given  Covid No  still high (6000++ ) &  GLOOOMY  Politics.. devil.gif ..
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Lol you guys forgot got one analyst give MR DIY RM 1.20 TP? Downside of 30 percent. Till now still got people care about TP. Funny.
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post Jul 6 2021, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(SURE ANGPOW @ Jul 6 2021, 06:00 PM)
PM me  a s a p  for settlement  b4 I go to Dang Wangi... devil.gif  blink.gif
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Do what in Dang Wangi?? Foreigner place.
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post Jul 6 2021, 07:05 PM

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CTOS is going to be an amazing IPO that can rival MR DIY. Thank Creador for willing to let go this wonderful company. They probably want to go after better investments, which we have no access to. Whatever is it, is win win for us. The PE for CTOS is not high at all. It is decently priced but just not attractively priced. I foresee alot of fund managers will pile into CTOS and push the valuation to above PE 100. The quality of the company justifies it. There are alot of linkages between credit report businesses with FINTECH and digitalisation of businesses.
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post Jul 6 2021, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(yibaandre @ Jul 6 2021, 07:03 PM)
hi all sifu ,

  first time apply for ipo , want to ask - what is the lock up period ?
  how does it apply to me if get the ipo ?

thanks
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post Jul 6 2021, 07:10 PM

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Any fund manager that ignore CTOS is not respectable fund manager. If you are in for e-commerce digitalisation of businesses etc, you will support CTOS. Prepare to see CTOS blow past RM 2 in just one month or less.
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post Jul 7 2021, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(howyoulikethat @ Jul 7 2021, 09:17 PM)
Let's hope for the best 2moro thumbup.gif
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I dont feel the same way towards u. But thanks for the good wishes
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post Jul 7 2021, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 7 2021, 09:36 PM)
Any speculation how high would be the oversubscribed rates πŸ˜πŸ’°πŸ€‘
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QUOTE(Shane727 @ Jul 7 2021, 10:05 PM)
Estimate 70-80x
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Shane ur figure is a horrible overestimate. Non Bumi will be around 45 to 50x. Bumi around 37x.
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post Jul 8 2021, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Jul 8 2021, 02:26 PM)
you clearly do not know how does PE firms work.
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Care to elaborate your statement? U seem like the guy who think every IPO is a rip off. U clearly have a poor impression about PE firms who are just doing a great job in Malaysia. U need to get out of the academic shell. U r still young, I don't blame u.

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