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post Jan 3 2010, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Jan 3 2010, 11:23 AM)
I just signed up for Public bank small cap fund. Quite good dividends every year. Anybody has any opinion on this?


Why now?

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post Jan 3 2010, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(thenightcrusader @ Jan 3 2010, 12:51 PM)
Smallcap fund has good dividends but let's not forget capital growth as well. It's heavily invested (99.9% of NAV) in the country. Hence, the fund performance will be greatly affected by the local economic conditions. Remember, pass performance is not an indication of future performance. hence, the dividends may be good some years and average in some.

yes, you'll be charged 5.5%/ month.
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Interesting. You mean that if I have a million in the fund, I will have to pay them Rm55,000 a year? and people agree to that?

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post Jan 3 2010, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(epalbee3 @ Jan 3 2010, 01:18 PM)
Only 5.5% one time entry fee and 1.5% yearly management fee.


So okay I pay them Rm55,000, and then I pay them Rm15,000 a year. And then on top of that, I might not get anything in return. Okay.

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post Jan 3 2010, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Jan 3 2010, 03:08 PM)
correct if i am wrong.You are not charged every month, you are charged everytime u buy unit form the fund.

the 5.5% work like this:
everytime u buy unit from the mutual fund, 5.5% will be deducted from the money u put it. Let say first time , u put in 1K ,945 will be used to buy unit. 55 will be deducted as charges.second time , u put in 100, 94.5 will be used to buy unit at prevailing price. If u buy RM 500 every month , 472.5 will be used to buy unit. In a year time, you would have lost 330(66% of your RM500).After all the 5.5% , you still have 1.5% management fee  per annum. (472.5X12X0.985=5584.95). To break even , the fund have to make at least 8% return to cover all the charges.
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So for them to beat FD at current rates (I think 3.25% long term right?) they'd have to make more than 11.25% per year?

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post Jan 3 2010, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(lwb @ Jan 3 2010, 03:16 PM)
i doubt fd is currently at 3.25%.. it's way below that, unless you're comparing those multiyear contracts..


You have to compare it with multi-year because mutual funds are a long-term (at least 5-year) commitment right?

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post Jan 3 2010, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Jan 3 2010, 03:28 PM)
the current fd rate is 2.5% per annum.If economy pick up. the fd-rate may increase.the fund have to take further risk to break even.


5-year FD rates are 3.25%. Most mutual funds are long term (5-year) investments right? so we can compare it to 5-year FD rates.

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post Jan 3 2010, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Jan 3 2010, 03:46 PM)
woodenus,

as lwb said before, you are comparing apple and orange, mutual fund and FD are totally different thing. I would compare mutual fund to stock market . Mutual fund dont have lock in period like FD. u can invest any amount u want every month(minimum RM100), for FD, after the lock in, you cant put any money in.Some time u gain more unit, sometime u gain less unit, depend on the NAV.  If the FD rate increase during the lock in period, you would have incur opportunity cost. The advantage most UT agent will tell u about is DCA(dollar cost averaging), which FD don't have.
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I think it's the same in terms of "where can we put this pile of money?". For instance you have 100K. You can't put the 100K in FD and mutual fund, you have to choose. I know you can split it, but even if you do, the 50K you put in MF, you can't put in FD. So we need to consider both and determine which one is better, since we can't put the same money in both at the same time. If you make the wrong choice, even if you make money, you will have lost the opportunity to make more money with the money you invested, so its important to compare both FD and MF and other investment ideas that are competing for the same chunk of cash.

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post Jan 3 2010, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(lwb @ Jan 3 2010, 04:34 PM)
sorry the amortization is referring to something else..
talk to an agent and ask them about code 99.. if they're not telling you, i will (fair?)  smile.gif

hint - agents are doing too!

Added on January 3, 2010, 4:38 pmi think i see your point from your perspective.. you're correct by the very factors you include in, to substantiate those point.. i think what i use is, a different sets of factors.. and because of it, we have a differing outcome.

i see you view..   nod.gif
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Code 99 usually means "we just got hit by something we don't understand and shouldn't have happened... make sure the patient/customer/client doesn't know that and panic and make things worse while we figure out what happened" smile.gif

PS. A lot of businesses use that smile.gif


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post Jan 3 2010, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(lwb @ Jan 3 2010, 04:42 PM)
wodenus,
thanks for highlighting that.. *lol*
our context is not medical, yes? keep it within context..
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It's not only medical, it's also being used elsewhere, no surprise to see it being used in the UT industry smile.gif

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post Jan 3 2010, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(wirelessdude @ Jan 3 2010, 07:37 PM)
I split them equally into Public Australia Equity Fund, Public China Select Fund and Public Far East Select Fund. And I switched them in and out to/from Public Islamic Bond Fund.

Haha... but I flunked my Bursa stocks thanks largely to one "Msports". Actually, I didn't lose ...just didn't make much ...maybe about 10%. I should've just held on to my REITs instead of trying to be smart. But I made practically double on my US stocks by betting on energy options.
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Good for you if you could make 10% on that even. Msports is interesting, I don't see how anyone could have made much on that except if the commissions were really low or he caught the push/caused the push.

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post Jan 3 2010, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(wirelessdude @ Jan 3 2010, 07:37 PM)
I split them equally into Public Australia Equity Fund, Public China Select Fund and Public Far East Select Fund. And I switched them in and out to/from Public Islamic Bond Fund.


What made you pick these three funds?


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QUOTE(lwb @ Jan 3 2010, 08:30 PM)
3 funds contributed about ~40%(roundup) since late apr-2009..
PIX, PAIF and Smallcap.. i've not closed my book on PAIF yet.
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What made you pick those funds?

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post Jan 3 2010, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Jan 3 2010, 07:28 PM)
So how then? Is buying unit trust good or not?  rclxub.gif


Good if you have the right timing. If you have large capital, you don't really need to have good timing (aside from the obvious) because even if you make like 10% that's quite a bit of money already. If you don't have large capital you have to have good timing, otherwise all you'll be making is pocket change.
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post Jan 3 2010, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(lwb @ Jan 3 2010, 08:50 PM)
wodenus,

i don't pay commission, remember? of course there're lots of factors involved.. and the best fund that contributed the most profit was the mouthful PFEPRF..

in just a short 3-month period, this fund contributed in excess of $40k(tax free) to my portfolio.. i picked up the scent about PFEPRF at late apr-2009.. and had some brief discussion with this guy, Medufsaid (i'm not sure if he's still monitoring while the profit was good)..
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Good timing smile.gif so what made you pick that one, did you look through all the funds every day or what?

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post Jan 3 2010, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Jan 3 2010, 09:11 PM)
Yeah, last year was a year of opportunity. I only made 30% of my capital from stocks....  sad.gif


How can you stand the lack of liquidity? you put in a buy order for like, what, 10 lots? and ten minutes later it's not done yet. In the mean time all you can see is your lost profit. Same happens when you sell. That was the last time I was on.


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post Jan 3 2010, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Jan 3 2010, 09:11 PM)
I see. I'm not familiar with any funds so I think I'll just stick to the one introduced to me..... the smallcap fund!!!!  sweat.gif

Yeah, last year was a year of opportunity. I only made 30% of my capital from stocks....  sad.gif
Is that because of the stock market crash that you gained so much by buying in cheap? What about now? Still a good time to buy in to PM?  hmm.gif

How come you don't have to pay commission?  hmm.gif
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He's an agent I think, right? smile.gif


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Why did you just post that? lol tongue.gif


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post Jan 3 2010, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Jan 3 2010, 09:25 PM)
Errrmmmm.... don't understand your question.....  sweat.gif

I only made 30% profit mainly because I didn't want to take the risk and it was the first time I "played" stocks. Next time I would be a bit wiser (by buying and holding on to bluechip counters)..... hopefully....
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Same here, I was in because I was arguing with this guy, who said you could make like 6% a month. So we dumped some money in there and he pretty much proved it. He had stacks and stacks of data with stuff like NBV and NPV and EBITDA and whatever not tongue.gif it's English but I didn't understand half of it lol. I know I was sweating a lot because the whole thing was so inefficient. I mean you'd key in a buy order, and it might be 10 minutes before it was matched. In that 10 mins anything could have happened. It's either that or keep fishing, setting buy orders that never get done because it slipped again. Sure we made 6%/month as promised but it was wild.

You mean you made 30% by buying and hoping? is that 30% a month? or a year or what?


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QUOTE(lwb @ Jan 3 2010, 09:30 PM)
i'm not an agent of unit trust.. besides, i'm a protagonist of an agent *lol* because i distrust their intentions most of the time..


So how do you manage to not pay commission?

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post Jan 3 2010, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Jan 3 2010, 09:45 PM)
Yeah, I also think the stock market is too forward-looking at this moment. One day, everybody will suddenly realize that the economy is not good and there comes the bear and the double dip (my opinion only). That's the reason I'm taking my money out of stocks and putting it in a "safer" environment. FD, REITs and my newest investment tool - unit trust.........
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Um.. you do realize that some funds trade solely in local stocks?

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post Jan 3 2010, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(lwb @ Jan 3 2010, 09:47 PM)
it feels like gambling doesn't it?


Exactly. And I don't like to gamble. I don't punt. I don't even speculate. I invest.


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QUOTE(lwb @ Jan 3 2010, 09:50 PM)
remember code 99?
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Um.. okay what does that have to do with not paying any commission? now that is something I'd like to know about lol smile.gif


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post Jan 3 2010, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Jan 3 2010, 09:53 PM)
Errrmmmm.... not sure what technique that was but I was basically bottom-fishing. Entered the stock market in Nov 2008. Bought a few stocks and sold most by April-May 2009 when the bull was running. Made my 30% during that period. Sold most of my stocks because I thought the bear would return, which it never did!!!!  vmad.gif
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Amazing. So you didn't know anything about any of these companies, you went in, bought a few and made 30% in 6 months?

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post Jan 3 2010, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Jan 3 2010, 10:10 PM)
Yes I do. However, I believe fund managers would get any news faster than us ikan bilis if we were to play stocks ourselves.
Unfortunately yes, I'm referring to local REITs.

Anyway, what I'm saying is that besides FD, I'm looking for investment options that don't have such high risk as stocks. Everybody knows that FD is useless as your money will still get smaller and smaller due to inflation. FD is low risk low returns. The next step would be unit trust, which is medium risk medium returns, would it not? (Of course, based on what type of unit trust). Besides unit trust, I can't think of any other investment options.

Note : I have tried a few times to buy ASM and ASW2020 but always goes back home upset and empty-handed.
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I can introduce you to our broker, but we're fairly conservative, we don't gamble or punt or speculate. We invest, our time frames are typically five years or more, and we're only targeting about 30% a year. It's quite boring actually.

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