QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 1 2009, 11:40 AM)
For income or dividend fund, the distribution policy is annual; therefore, it is commited to pay distribution annually.
that is also on a best effort basis. no investment is ever guaranteed.Public Mutual, PM/PB series fund
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QUOTE(besiegetank @ Dec 25 2009, 01:57 AM) having read this thread, i have a few questions to ask. Hello besiegetank,1. What exactly is the function of UT distribution?If it wont benefit investors, why distribute the fund then? 2. If I intend to save for my retirement like EPF using DCA, which fund should i go to in PM?bond?money market? 3. What are the difference between fund focusing on capital growth, fixed income/divident or anti-inflation?seems all same to me as they all focused on value appreciation. Is it only the risk and gain things different? I'm no expert at the subject matter but i'll do my best to answer yr questions: 1) there's 2 types of return in UT investment namely, capital growth and distribution. hence, to answer yr question UT distribution is actually a form of ROI. Sometimes, it's the fund manager playing with investor's psychology in distributing the profit from the fund because many unitholders (unfortunately) still associates a fund performance solely base on its distribution. 2) First of all, you need to ask yrself, "what's your retirement number?" once you've got it then a portfolio of UT investments can be constructed based on yr risk appetite and investment time horizon to meet that goal. Hence, the question of which fund to save in will arrive to what are your needs in the first place. 3) IMHO, all investments are focused value appreciation. The terms used above are different types of capital appreciation that would be experienced by the investors. Below are the terms explained to the best of my knowledge: Capital growth - increase in the value of the units over time. these type of funds usually do not give distributions. eg: PCSF price per unit is at 0.25 sen on 2009 compared with 0.15 in 2008 Fixed income - usually money market and bond funds as these financial products aim to pay a certain amount of interest on the capital every year. their focus is to give distribution every financial year to the investors and not price movement i.e capital growth. Dividend or distribution - focused on giving distribution every financial year to the investors. how is it different from fixed income u might ask. well, the answer's simple, the term dividend/distribution tells you that the source of that income is not from bond or money market but it's from stocks listed that have a good track record of paying out dividends. hence, it's even more risk to the investor compared to a fixed income fund as the dividend is not given in fixed amount every year. I hope the above explanation helps a little. NightCrusader |
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Dec 26 2009, 02:11 AM
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QUOTE(besiegetank @ Dec 25 2009, 11:44 AM) It didn't help a little, it actually helped me a lot! Thanks ya for your lengthy explanation. Unfortunately, more questions follow Dear besiegetank,1. If distribution is also a form of ROI, why some investors prefer not to have it?Does that means ROI in term of capital growth will be better? 2. Let say I need a retirement UT investment for 30 years with DCA, which type of funds should be considered?bond?money market? 3. I'm still at a loss on calculating the profits for UT investments. If let say I invest RM1k and the end of 3 years the NAV is RM2k, how should I calculate my gains after considering those initial and management fees?including tax? The more I read, the more things I didn't know. I'm glad the explanation above helped. It's a good habit to always ask and have some information regarding any investment instruments that you would like to invest in. However, do take care not to suffer from a syndrome known as information overload 1) Distribution increases the number of units in the fund and is reinvested at zero charge. Fund managers encourage it to capitalize on the compounding effects over time. for eg: Mr A has two funds, 1000 unit of Fund A and 1000 units of Fund B. Fund A's distribution is reinvested every year while Fund B is payout. if distribution is RM1/unit for both funds Fund A- 1000 units + 100 units from distribution=1100 units Fund B- 1000 units + distribution payout =1000 units 2nd financial year, assuming distribution is the same and price per unit is RM0.50, we get Fund A- 1100 units + 100 units from distribution=1200 units (RM600) Fund B- 1000 units + payout =1000 units (RM500) The difference in that amount may be small but over long terms like 30 years the difference is very significant due to compounding effect. However, this doesn't mean any form of ROI is better than the other. It really boils down to the investor if they feel more comfortable with distributions or capital growth as long as they meet their investment objectives. 2) A consultant has responsibility to do a retirement planning for you to help you reach the amount desired after 30 years. A half-yearly or yearly review of yr retirement blueprint is highly recommended. Normally the UT portfolio will comprise of a mix of fund types to help u achieve a certain % on yr ROI to help u reach yr financial goal. 3) The fund manager will send a statement after the distribution showing you the net payable after deducting all the relevant expenses like income tax and management fees. Alternatively, u can contact yr agent to know the ROI of yr fund. Regards, NightCrusader |
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QUOTE(mmusang @ Dec 27 2009, 01:05 PM) im not recommending pb bond as they charges quite high where the return is around 5~7% a year. Dear mmusang,1. bond is a loan to some company, you got profit where the company pay interest 2. bond is not 100% safe. safest bond is goverment bond where is unlikely goverment will go bankrupt. company bankrupt will give risk to bond holders but bond holders has no 2 priority to get the money from assets liquidation . share holders has last priority. 3. approximately 5 to 7%, depend on the bond itself. 4.safest bond is depend on which company they bond to. if it is PLUS toll company, then it should be safe. but PB bond fund bought variety of bond, so it should lower the risk even-more. Could u please clarify yr statement regarding the high charges of pb bond is relative to what? As far as i know, they only charge 0.25% of yr amount invested. It's very little considering the approximate 5% to 7% p.a. return. Please correct me if i'm misinformed. I also would like to add to the answer from mmusang on question 2 by wirelessdude. I would like to reiterate that the 1st golden rule of ANY form of investment is this: NO investment is 100% safe. there's only risk that should be understood and managed in every investment. Regards, NightCrusader |
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QUOTE(gark @ Dec 28 2009, 01:26 AM) IMHO, PB bond charges are actually reasonable, with 0.25% initial and average 0.81% per year. For bond holders, the risk can be gauges from the ratings agency. If the rating is A+/A the bond is actually very safe as the company have sufficient asset to cover the bond payments in case the company goes under. But as in all investment, these low risk bonds pays lower than usual interest rate. So as long as you know what your investment holds, you can gauge the risks. If you veer into junk bonds rated C-/D, then the interest can be huge (>10%) but you take the chances that if the company goes under, then your bonds are useless. Don't buy unless you understand the risk is the best answer. Actually all PM bonds are of the high grade type. they don't invest in grade B bonds and below. However, you're right on the understanding the risk before investing part. Every investor must understand the risk involved in their investments. |
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QUOTE(wirelessdude @ Dec 28 2009, 10:41 PM) I'm not so concerned about the charges because I don't buy bond funds per se, but look at it as somewhere to "park" my money while waiting for a market correction. FYI, I'm Mutual Gold so I get a number of free switching per year. Dear wirelessdude,Hence, what I'm really asking is which PM bond fund is safe to "park" my money and what kind of returns am I looking at. Because lately, I've seen the Public Islamic Bond Fund actually dropping and also with the recent talk of bond risks from possible interest rate hike next year. Hmm...tough call cause up to this year the best performing bond is still Public Islamic Bond Fund with an annualized return since inception (15/08/2001) at 6.27% while the closest performance is by Public Bond Fund with 10-year annualized return at 6.88% Source: Quarterly Fund Review (Q3, 2009) Hope that helps Regards, NightCrusader |
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QUOTE(DarReNz @ Dec 30 2009, 06:38 PM) Nope, it's just that it requires more forms and stringent rules regarding how to fill them and etc. Every time invest must attached photocopy IC and thumbprints. A lot of red tapes only, halal or non-halal is up to you. |
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QUOTE(epalbee3 @ Dec 31 2009, 01:13 AM) is it worth to invest using EPF? 5% - 6% is the typical return of bond fund. Equity funds have around 8-10% return but with higher risk of course. worth or not is up to your risk appetite. If you would like to retire with a bigger nest egg and don't mind taking the risk, why not invest using EPF? after all, you can't touch the money for other purpose till your retirement anyway.the EPF itself already offers like 5%. The mutual fund can only offer about 5-6% Somemore got risk. |
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QUOTE(DarReNz @ Dec 31 2009, 01:32 AM) but i think epf has a limit of how much u can invest according to your age so if you wanna do it monthly prolly use cash Yes, there's a limit according to age. If u would like to do regular investment, u can tell your agent to put some into the money market fund and switch every month. Should be enough to last you till your next withdrawal. If EPF dpn't have that much to take out then you can still invest it when it reaches the required amount. |
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Jan 3 2010, 12:23 PM) I just signed up for Public bank small cap fund. Quite good dividends every year. Anybody has any opinion on this? Smallcap fund has good dividends but let's not forget capital growth as well. It's heavily invested (99.9% of NAV) in the country. Hence, the fund performance will be greatly affected by the local economic conditions. Remember, pass performance is not an indication of future performance. hence, the dividends may be good some years and average in some.If I buy say RM500 every month, will I get charged 5.5% sales charge every month? yes, you'll be charged 5.5%/ month. |
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