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Jordy
post Oct 17 2009, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(Jutawan @ Oct 17 2009, 01:25 PM)
FBM KLCI at as 16 October 2009, 6:45 am reach a new year high of 1256.77points. Any comment in terms of effect to PM unit trust?
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Jutawan,

Of course it will affect the funds positively. What is your main question actually?
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post Oct 21 2009, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(MakNok @ Oct 21 2009, 08:47 AM)
Switching from an equity or bond fund to a money market fund....this vice verse??? as well?? Still FOC?
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MakNok,

ANY funds swicthing to money market funds is free, but switching out of money market funds is NOT.
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post Oct 21 2009, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 21 2009, 08:11 PM)
I have PMO access. Could it be linked to PBeBank?
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Link in what sense?

QUOTE(mars1069 @ Oct 21 2009, 08:45 PM)
money market is suitable for long term or short term? if i 1 2 swiitch my fund to park somewhere when market bad until it recover, which is better, money mkt or bond? thanks.
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mars1069,

If your investment is relatively small or your parking period is very short, I would suggest money market fund because you get to save RM25 straight off per fund. The extra returns in bond fund is negligible unless you have a sizeable amount of investment, or you have longer parking period.
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post Oct 22 2009, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(mars1069 @ Oct 22 2009, 08:11 AM)
my cash investment in China fund just few K, that's not much but my PISSF & PISTF total bout 40K from EPF. now PISSF & PISTF is making 14% & 10% respectively since I bought in Apr 08 & Aug 08.

Since i m making more than the interest paid by EFP, just thinking to park my funds somewhere now until mkt go down again then swtich to fund again. If i dun switch now, i m afraid when mkt go down my earning gone too, then no actual gain, just in paper gain/loss, no meaning. my funds just recover since may, b4 that losing money except china fund still not recover.

any advice for my case?
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mars1069,

You should always go back to your consultant. My principle is to not advise others clients to avoid misunderstandings.

QUOTE(vandoren @ Oct 22 2009, 09:22 AM)
hi all,

i have bought china titans since Apr 2008.
i only put 5.5k there, and now it's making 22%.
after deducting all the expenses, i have 800 remaining from my salary.
any advise on how should i spend it? should i buy another fund? maybe bond fund?? or any other suggestion?
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Do you have savings? If not, I suggest you to save up that RM800 until you have 3-6 months worth of savings.

QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Oct 22 2009, 10:54 AM)
Maybe u can buy other equity funds since u already have china fund in your basket. If you are a risk taker, u may consider Public Mutual Far East Proeprty & Resort Fund (which invest in REITS and properties company). If u put in RM100 1 year ago, u will get RM200 by now, nearly 100% return. IMO, Property market in Far East is still doing good. If u are not a risk taker, can try the balance fund or bond fund.
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cheahcw2003,

Keep in mind that the performance will not keep repeating itself. Once the property fund has rebounded heavily, it will tend to slow down or even fall if there's another economical shake. Property stocks is very cyclical in nature.
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post Oct 22 2009, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(vandoren @ Oct 22 2009, 01:57 PM)
cheah and jordy,

thanks for your advise.
i have 5k in my saving account, i think it's sufficient as my emergency fund.
i understand that historical performance is just a reference, but at least it will help us to filter out some bad performance fund, agree?
like other export has said, when i start to invest, i will try not to put all eggs in just one basket.
most probably, i will retain the china titans fund, look for one bond fund(maybe put a few k here).
then only look for other higher risk investment.
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vandoren,

If you want to diversify, I would suggest you to invest in a broader fund. Just focusing on property makes you susceptible when the market is not favorable to the property market. Try PSEASF as it has exposure in SEA countries which are the developing nations.
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post Oct 27 2009, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(mars1069 @ Oct 24 2009, 01:07 PM)
Jordy, if my agent (friend) is prfessional enuf, she shld advice me to park my fund somewhere when recession time last year, but she didn't say anything. Maybe she also scared make wrong decision for me. Anyway, I already expected there is risk coz this is investment & I aim for long term & also as long as the interest is better than EPF then I happy enuf.
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mars1069,

Well, I won't say that your consultant is not professional enough. Perhaps she's still new, so there is still need for more experience. I always get my clients to set the target rate of return they would be satisfied with, so when the time comes, I will remind them again for their next course of action.

QUOTE(Jutawan @ Oct 27 2009, 04:06 PM)
Oh no.... the market does not move a lot, what is happening??? Is this good for Malaysian economy?
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Jutawan,

A good stock market is not supposed to move a lot. I am really thankful that our market is not like America or China. I won't invest in those types of markets. I like a calm market.
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post Nov 11 2009, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(TryX @ Nov 8 2009, 03:13 PM)
Bro any fund to suggest for a beginner like me?
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TryX,

There is no common guide stipulating which funds are for beginner or expert. Choosing the right funds is like choosing the right clothes. It depends on seasons. If it's summer, you wear summer clothes. If it's winter, you simply wear winter clothes. Bringing it back to unit trust, when market is doing good, you go for higher risk funds. When market is bad, you go into bonds.
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post Nov 12 2009, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(TryX @ Nov 12 2009, 01:38 AM)
But problem is i dunno when is winter or when is summer..... Which funds is high risk and which fund is low risk? Totally noob in this investment thingy....
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TryX,

If you know when is winter or when is summer, then you can invest in the stock market yourself already smile.gif

That is when fund managers and consultants come into play. They would advise you and provide you the necessary analysis.

Generally, money markets and bond funds are lower risk funds, balanced and equity funds are higher risk.

QUOTE(arbelnox @ Nov 12 2009, 02:25 PM)
same here... really like to start learning this investment stuff.... can someone please teach us noobs on what to look generally before making any investment?

And how do you speculation the coming situation? I heard that we can study the graph, but how?

last time I got bought the South east Asian fund during it's initial release but the market was bad and till now I'm still not able to recover my loss yet.

By the way, I'm thinking of buying the Natural resources equity. What do you experts think?
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arbelnox,

Before you start your investment, get the right consultant who can provide you sufficient information. Read up tutorials regarding unit trust and know the basics. If you think that unit trust is right for you, only then should you jump into it.

Natural resources would deplete in the future, so prices would definitely increase as supply decreases. So basically, profits would increase as well.
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QUOTE(arbelnox @ Nov 12 2009, 03:44 PM)
Bro Jordy, so you mean investing in this natural resources fund will most likely viable eh? And, do you have any recommendations on where can I find sources for unit trust? Maybe any books or online reference? Sorry, I'm a noob here. thanks for everything
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arbelnox,

You can refer to http://www.fmutm.com.my for the online tutorials.
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post Nov 14 2009, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(TryX @ Nov 14 2009, 11:16 AM)
Haha than got any professional financial consultant to intro me in Penang area?
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I know no professional financial consultant in Penang. If you want to look for a Public Mutual consultant, the easiest way is to go any Public Mutual branch and ask for a consultant. There are many of them there who would be more than happy to serve you.
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post Nov 18 2009, 05:02 AM

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QUOTE(K-san @ Nov 18 2009, 02:00 AM)
I would like to know more about unit trust..
any agents can pm me ?
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K-san,

What you need to know about unit trust? Please refer to http://www.fmutm.com.my for the tutorials and basics of investing in unit trust. I can help you to invest.
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post Nov 19 2009, 07:37 AM

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QUOTE(saTOraRe @ Nov 19 2009, 06:25 AM)
Morning,
Is there a switching charges from PCSF to PBMMF?
Is there any amount limit for switching?
Can i switch half of the investment?
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saTOraRe,

No switching charge to switch into any money market funds. There is no limit and you can switch as long as you are switching minimum of 1,000 units.
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QUOTE(howszat @ Nov 18 2009, 08:17 PM)
The total amount of investment you have before the payment, and the total amount you have after the payment are still the same.

Which means there is absolutely no point in knowing when the payment date is, or how much the distribution actually is.

All it is is a marketing gimmick designed to catch people who didn't know any better.
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howszat,

Says who? Have you checked your statement thoroughly enough? I have been investing for more than 2 years and have not seen such a problem. Why you?
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QUOTE(numbertwo @ Nov 20 2009, 03:29 PM)
I think what howszat tried to say is,
distribution doesn't increase your total balance/amount, so do not expect your total amount to hike after the distribution.  Statement will only show you the date of the distribution if that's all you care about.
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numbertwo,

Ok, I stand corrected. I thought he meant the total unit balance. Didn't notice it was total amount.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Nov 22 2009, 12:02 AM)
Errr. David,

What do you mean? With UTC or no UTC present I still pay the standard 5.5% service fee. Sorry I do not get your point.

Xuzen
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xuzen,

First of all, not all unit trust consultants are pesky. So please mind your words as we are providing a service as well.

Secondly, even if you transact online, you will still be charged the 5.5% service charge as mentioned by David83. So you are paying for a service which you never get, which is of course better for us because we get free commission from "good" clients like you.
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QUOTE(guanteik @ Nov 22 2009, 09:06 AM)
Hi Jordy/UTC,
Can I know which PM bond fund is currently closed?
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guanteik,

There is no closed bond fund in my knowledge. May I know why did you ask for a closed bond fund?
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post Nov 23 2009, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(guanteik @ Nov 22 2009, 08:54 PM)
few days ago, I saw a mail from some UTC telling that PBOND and PIBOND is closed. I would like to confirm with you guys...
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guanteik,

I have just got the confirmation that the closed bond funds were PEBF and PIEBF, not PBOND and PIBOND.
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QUOTE(janetllc @ Nov 23 2009, 11:38 AM)
Hi,
  If i switch from my equity fund to bond bund, is there any 5.5% impose on my bond fund or only pay the switching transfer fee
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janetllc,

There is no service charge of 5.5% imposed when you switching from a loaded fund to a low-load fund. You only pay the RM25 switching fee.

QUOTE(xuzen @ Nov 23 2009, 12:40 PM)
Good client like me seldom pay 5.5%. Max I have pay is 0.25%. Truth be told, I think some of your bond funds are quite good.

There are good funds other than PM that have lower charges. It is good when one is using fundsupermart, a one stop shopping center for UT. And we can shop for the lowest charges like in a supermarket.

Also a small footnote, the services provided by UTC e.g. can easily be replicated by technology aka Online e-banking.

Yes I agree that not all UTC are "pesky", but the one I have been exposed to is. The adjective pesky does not apply to you, if it makes you feel any better.

Xuzen
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xuzen,

How do you classify yourself as a "good client"? Also, I have never condemned any other fund houses if they are really good, and I am also aware of the low service charge offered by Fundsupermart. Different people prefer different approach, some busy people like my clients would like to have consultants like me to monitor for them. You might have more time on your side to do everything without a consultant, so I congratulate you.

QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Nov 23 2009, 01:42 PM)
This has stopped me from investing with PM for the last few years. After i knew that i know more than my UT Consultant, I read >100 articles on economy/finance/investment topic a week. I would say many UTC only knows how to sell, they do not read and only rely on so called the weekly market updates from PM research team report once a week ( and i doubt how many UTC really gone thru the report and use the info/knowlege to advice their customer?) they do not know the market well enough to advice their clients. They are more commission/sales driven rather than a good consulant. What i have said here is the MAJORITY UTC, maybe our dear friends Jordy and David83 are exceptional.

The only funds that i buy from PM now is their bond fund, with the initial charge of 0.25%. PEB and PIBond funds are the cream of the crowds.
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cheahcw2003,

There are over 30,000 consultants with Public Mutual. How many have you actually met to say majority? Please do not generalise like the others who have only met 1 or 2 consultants as we are all educated people.
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QUOTE(howszat @ Nov 23 2009, 10:16 PM)
I agree with those who said UTC are nothing more than sales people and provide little added value.

About the only monitoring they do is to keep you informed about new funds, hoping maybe they can make a little commission off you.

There are not any that monitor in terms of advising when/what to buy and when to sell. If they exist, and they are any good at it, they would have been appointed Fund Managers, and not remain as UTC.
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howszat,

Say whatever that pleases you. As long as my clients are happy with me, that's enough.

Each of us have our own choices/preferences, and if you are comfortable using Fundsupermart, go on and use it.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Nov 23 2009, 11:09 PM)
I could be wrong, but i did not meet 1 or 2 UTC to conclude, i have been investing in PM > 10 years and i am a Public Mutual Gold member. I have met a dozen of UTC, most of the UTC may inform u on new fund launching, or ask u to sign up the monthly saving investment scheme, but they do not have much knowledge like u do, like i said u r an exceptional, if i ask them why shd i invest in China Titan Stocks compare to China small cap funds? or why and how AUD exchange rate and its interest rate will afffect the Aus Equity performance, or why Emerging market will perform better than US/Europe market in the next 3 years? then they may not able to answer me or giving their views.

In most developed & matured country, only those special trainned personal are qualified to sell investment products to the public, like those with Charted Financial Analyist or Certified Financial Planner qualification. In the case of HK, not all bank staffs can sell unit trust to their customer, only the well trainned CFP can do that.

I may not meet 30,000 UTC to confirm what i say "majority" UTC are not knowledgable, but i guess u did not meet enough 30,000 UTC to confirm that majority are good and qualified to sell right?
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cheahcw2003,

Indeed, I have not met enough consultants to say that MOST are qualified. All I was saying is that we should respect others as well by not calling names. Our job may annoy some people, but have you ever thought of our feelings when saying things like what xuzen has said?

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