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Jordy
post Sep 26 2007, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Sep 26 2007, 10:27 AM)
1 Oct is the official date mainland investors start going into HK? If this is the case, then HK market will boost...
Do you have further information on this? Such as any limitation for the mainland investors?
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Yes, Oct 1st is the day..
Not much information though, but I think mainland government is going to set a new regulation for the mainland investors to limit the risk of a bubble burst..
Analysts says that there might be profit taking on the first day itself, before the market gains strength..
We'll see.. smile.gif

QUOTE(lwb @ Sep 26 2007, 01:52 PM)
it's odd that you guys don't even know what is a 'musical chair' game..
it's not so much about who's being smarter here.. but i have a feeling that most of you here don't read adequately to protect yourself as a genuine investor..

punting stocks and punting funds are but a game..
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Then share what you have read la!
That's all we're saying to add to what you're saying..
Not just for the sake of saying it.. wink.gif

3 out of 5 up, 1 unchanged and 1 down..
Looks like another good day for me..? tongue.gif

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post Sep 27 2007, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Sep 26 2007, 07:57 PM)
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Huhu... I'm a happy man smile.gif
Can't wait for the next high to switch out... GO GO GO
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What you looking to switch into..? drool.gif
PCSF kah..? laugh.gif
This might be your last chance to get it before 1st Oct..
Lai lai lai.. rclxm9.gif
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post Sep 27 2007, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Sep 27 2007, 08:42 AM)
No la. I think too late to touch  PCSF liao
If reach my target 20%, I will switch out to Bond for parking and wait for next correction
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Don't think it'll be anytime soon..
There's still a lot of interest in HS, and CHMOBIL shares have been revised upwards..
My fund invests in CHMOBIL, so it'll affect it strongly..
But you can switch to bond and lock the profit first lo..
Hope your profit is much.. thumbup.gif
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post Sep 28 2007, 07:22 PM

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My PCSF is going strong..
Beat most of the others percentage wise.. thumbup.gif
My profit really jumped today.. rclxm9.gif

But I missed the 3.30pm cut off time to switch..
Lets see how are the markets going to be on Monday..
Mou ngan tai.. doh.gif
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post Sep 28 2007, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(lelong1234 @ Sep 28 2007, 08:15 PM)
I just switched some of my funds from PFEPRF to PCSF.

Hopefully its sooth sailing ahead...
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A good choice..
Just switched today, or before today..?
But did you make some gains on PFEPRF before jumping in..?
I still don't dare to switch yet, because I still making minor loses of less than RM100 on it.. laugh.gif
Still waiting for it to breakeven before I switch.. thumbup.gif
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post Sep 28 2007, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 28 2007, 09:07 PM)
How could PFEPRF make any gain? It's NAV is still lower than 0.2636 (using 5.45% service charge). Cannot break even.
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If he bought at the low, he already made the gain..
Lowest point for PFEPRF was during the last day of Failaka..
The NAV was 0.2466 add 5.45% is 0.2600..
Voila, gain of 0.0005.. laugh.gif
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post Sep 28 2007, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 28 2007, 09:17 PM)
If his average cost is less than 0.2605 (as per Thursday closing price), he'll make a little profit or break even.
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Yeap..
I guess you were calculating the price if he bought during launching..?
Most of the funds went down below their launching price, so now already breakeven for some..
I bought 4 out of my funds below launching price..
Only one bugger I bought during launching, and that is making me lose the most..
Stupid PBEPEF.. mad.gif
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post Sep 28 2007, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 28 2007, 09:25 PM)
I think I'm using that initial price and provided that he didn't topup in between and only one or two SI have been performed. My average unit cost is 0.2637 and I'm still in lost of 1.21%
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Oh, so what's your plan for PFEPRF..?
I'm now incurring a lost of 0.285% for it..
The next time its price increases, I'll breakeven and I'll switch it between my PIADF and PCSF..
These are my 2 top performing funds..
PIADF gave me a gain of 6.05% while PCSF gave me 10.61%..
And lets not forgetting my PBADF, with a gain of 6% which I'll repurchase when it hits 10% and divide it between PIADF and PCSF..
Mind to share your gain..? smile.gif
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post Sep 28 2007, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(lelong1234 @ Sep 28 2007, 09:41 PM)
I from my total investment in PFEPRF i was losing abit less then RM50 only. This was because i made 2 topups when the price was lower, cant remember the exact price.

I didnt switch all my funds out of PFEPRF into PCSF. I switched about 3/5 of it.  Coz i am a new investor, so i thought better to have two funds, that why i have greater exposure and abit less risky.

Btw, I switched it today before 3pm. Does that mean that i bought the units at the NAV listed at PM website today or is the one thats gona be on tomorrow? My agent told me earlier but i kinda forgotten.  blush.gif
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If you switched today before 3.30 cut off, you'll be selling and buying at NAV on Monday..
It still has to depend on Monday, because the regional markets were a bit mixed today..
I think PCSF will be registering some mild gains, seeing both HS and CSI were up, only TW was down..

At least better than me..
My lost on PFEPRF is a little higher than RM50.. tongue.gif
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post Sep 28 2007, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(lelong1234 @ Sep 28 2007, 10:02 PM)
Oh.. thanks for the info..

Your lost is probably a little higher because you invested more than me.  smile.gif

One more thing, how go I go about registering for the telemutual service? Can I use telemutual to switch over into a fund that i previously never held?
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Maybe.. tongue.gif
You can't switch funds using telemutual..
You need to hand in the switching form..

QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 28 2007, 10:02 PM)
I think that I'll just keep my PFEPRF since I didn't dump much in it and I have faith on it while still monitoring on it. PCSF is lucrative and I don't have an account on it. It's a high risk fund and I have missed the train. I don't think that I'll be considering it.

My simple rate of return of all my funds are:

PFES - 40.91%
PAIF - 6.88%
PFEPRF - -1.21%
PSBF - 3.36% (I want to reduce the portion with this and still scouting for a better local fund).

Might be considering to but the new South East Asia fund next month.
How you switched? Tele-mutual or submit an application to PM office?
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Good profit on the PFES..
But considering 2 years, annualised 20.45%..
You didn't lock in your profit along the way..?
Could be more if you do that..
But why choose local fund..?
Local sentiment not as good compared to regional peers..
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post Sep 28 2007, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 28 2007, 10:29 PM)
I locked my profit once and I feel a little regretted of doing that. Perhaps too panicked.

To balance up my portfolio. Used to have PITTIKIAL and if I don't switch out that, I would be enjoying a very high return. Perhaps another mistake.
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People are bound to make mistakes in their decisions..
Not too much to worry about that..
Now DJ is plumetting, so I think Monday is not a good day for me to switch..
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post Sep 28 2007, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 28 2007, 10:36 PM)
Ha! Ha! That could explain why my PSBF is contributing a higher proportion. Locked my profit by switching out all my PITTIKIAL and roughly 50% of my PFES. sweat.gif Really big mistake!
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That is painful lol..
Luckily I just started end of August..
If not now I'll be losing money..
I bought in almost at their lowest..
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post Sep 28 2007, 11:04 PM

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PAIF is making good profit..
It's at its high now..
Looks like it's going stronger.. thumbup.gif
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post Sep 28 2007, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 28 2007, 11:07 PM)
I switched in from my bond fund in May 2007 and that explained why I don't have an impressive return. I wanted to buy this fund during its initial period but that time, I was still jobless and do not have much cash to spare.
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Don't worry, it still has more upside to go, maybe it can't outperform ITTIKAL, but it will still outperform most of its peers..
I might be considering it, but I'm still waiting for the facts of SEA fund to be mailed to me tomorrow..
Then I'll see which fund to get..
What about you..?
Any info on the SEA fund..?
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post Sep 28 2007, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 28 2007, 11:29 PM)
I'm not agent for first.

I asked my agent and he said the new SEA fund will be like PFES and it will be a redundant to my portfolio.

Not much info I could dig from him. Perhaps some forumer in here who is an agent could post more details.
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Waiting for ejleemy.. laugh.gif
But I think I'll be getting some technical info on it tomorrow..
Then hopefully I can share it here..
I'll have 2 days to make my decision.. wink.gif
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post Sep 29 2007, 07:04 AM

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QUOTE(ejleemy @ Sep 29 2007, 02:45 AM)
Maybe this can help with your fund selection.

http://ejleemy.blogspot.com/2007/09/public...tober-2007.html

Taken from my blog, you could see the key risks and potential growth of the fund.
Ok, little insights on PFES and PFEDF funds. These 2 funds only invest around 10% in ASEAN ex Malaysia. What does it mean ? Say you have 10k in PFES, the actual investment into ASEAN exclude Msia is around 1k only.

If you wish to gain more exposure to ASEAN region alone, PSEASF and the other PB series fund - PBADF (a dividend fund) are the 2 best funds.

For those who are interested with this ASEAN market cake, moderate risk investor can consider PBADF, aggressive risk investor can consider this PSEASF.
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I have PBADF, and it's underperforming..
So, I'm going to repurchase it when it reaches my target of 10%..
Now already 6%, so 4% more to get my money.. brows.gif

Maybe I'll pass out on this SEA fund, because ASEAN fund can't perform very well now..
I'll definitely go for asia fund though, more growth opportunities.. icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(ejleemy @ Sep 29 2007, 10:01 AM)
Hmmm... from where did you see it's underperforming ? Refer to the chart, the fund began trading only at around beginning of the june and the benchmark already scored ~4% gain that time. Despite the disadvantage of the 4%, the fund still managed to outperform the index by yesterday prices. I think they were doing an awesome job.

Asia/Far East funds target market are more broad, whereas this is more specialized on ASEAN only. From the last 5 years benchmark, ASEAN index did perform a bit lower than Far East Ex Japan, it is because the majority growth were from China. China GDP growth = ~10% consistently for the last few years, no country could beat that.
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Oh, I was talking about it underperforming my other 2 funds..
Not referring to the benchmark.. tongue.gif
Yeah, I know it's slow because it's investing in the emerging markets..
Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia and Phillipines..
It's better to choose the broader asia funds that covers markets targetted by foreign funds now ain't it..?
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That's why it's better to choose Asian funds, but I might be putting some cash in this SEA fund as reserves..
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post Oct 1 2007, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 30 2007, 08:28 PM)
I'm thinking of switching some units from PSBF to PFEPRF. What you guys think?
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PFEPRF is slowly gaining pace now..
It's still relatively new, still not yet 3 months..
You can go into it, but not much though..
It should pick up after 3 months..
Also it invests in property developments too, so the return might be slower..
For the best bet now, invest in PIADF or PCSF..
Tomorrow HK market will be open but China markets will be closed for the whole week..
So, mainland investors will go into HK markets and start speculating there..
Taiwan market is still open, and it's also rising, which means HK might rise tomorrow too if DJ tonight is good..
PIADF and PCSF will rise the whole week through.. thumbup.gif

Should I be smiling now PIADF and PCSF 0.2704 and 0.2740 respectively..
Gained approximately 1.4k and 1.9k respectively, narrowed my lost in PBEPEF to -450 now..
I now at Ipoh, can't do any transaction for this whole week, can't join the wave of HK rise.. wink.gif
So overall doing ok, gaining around 1k a day..
I should be locking some profit starting next week on PIADF and PCSF..

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Oct 1 2007, 05:12 PM)
Fuyoh...  thumbup.gif
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The key is to increase the volume.. icon_idea.gif
If DJ be a good boy tonight, then tomorrow I'm looking forward to get another paper gain of RM1.5k..

QUOTE(clsiluf @ Oct 1 2007, 05:31 PM)
tx fren ... btw, think i lost the statement ... nvm, check with my agent ...
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Alternatively, you could call telemutual to check your account balance with your IC.. smile.gif
You should also get your agent to service you more often..
For a start, get him/her to review your fund performance quaterly..

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