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Rusty Nail
post Aug 28 2007, 05:09 PM

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inject methanol into throttle body? won't that cause detonation if the manifold temperature is too high?
the best way is direct injection into the cylinders through valve openings ala nitrus style.
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post Aug 28 2007, 06:01 PM

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............and face a compound if you get caught and the officers think that's really N20 laugh.gif
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post Aug 28 2007, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(hypermount @ Aug 28 2007, 11:19 AM)
Only inject water when th engine is under load - vacuum suction during idling is stronger. So better build one with pump and switch. Turning off the injection minutes before we turn off engine will ensure all excess water is gone. There should be some gains cos water is a good heat absorbtion.
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pump n switch would add up the cost adi... not willing to spend so much on something not assured to be reliable in long term... besides, racing cars and rally cars use their car for 1 year (or mayb less).... after that they completely strip it down for overhaulin or change new engine....

QUOTE(fstrader @ Aug 28 2007, 11:23 AM)
have done this before on my carb engine and low end really improves, same method as catacumbs  laugh.gif , but during idling a bit messy...ur idling will be freaky or maybe i use those aquarium stones are too big hence too much water masuk intake tongue.gif
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unker, my setup same with urs... but why mine tak jadi arr??... is it because ur car running high compression, which causes high engine temp... water vapour helps to absorb heat away and prevents detonation....
as for my car, everything stock standard... no detonation or any overheating problem, thats why not much difference....

correct me if wrong unker... unsure.gif
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post Aug 28 2007, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Aug 28 2007, 06:09 PM)
inject methanol into throttle body? won't that cause detonation if the manifold temperature is too high?
the best way is direct injection into the cylinders through valve openings ala nitrus style.
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err no it wont .. beside detonation is caused by heat in the combustion chamber not the manifold . even some nitrous owner uses TB injection . individual direct port injectors cost more ..

QUOTE(kev da man @ Aug 28 2007, 07:01 PM)
............and face a compound if you get caught and the officers think that's really N20 laugh.gif
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haha .. they if blardy stupid if said mine is N20 ..no tank and all ..
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post Aug 28 2007, 09:40 PM

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they will hardly notice the bottle /tank unless you color it with bright color. ( i dont mean N20)
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post Aug 29 2007, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(coldfusionpower @ Aug 28 2007, 12:42 PM)
i had this 2 years ago . but i add methanol to the water. 50% water and 50% methanol . running 18psi of boost with this . using a 60psi shurflo water pump , controlled by a 12v DC water solenoid and injected tru a brass nozzle just right before the throttle body .

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anyone tried CO2 cooler ? abit similar ..

CO2 Tank --> Nitrous Solenoid --> Nitrous Nozzle ... simple as that .
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Is that brass nozzle used for the garden spray? Kinda big isn't it. And that pump

QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Aug 28 2007, 07:33 PM)
pump n switch would add up the cost adi... not willing to spend so much on something not assured to be reliable in long term... besides, racing cars and rally cars use their car for 1 year (or mayb less).... after that they completely strip it down for overhaulin or change new engine....
unker, my setup same with urs... but why mine tak jadi arr??... is it because ur car running high compression, which causes high engine temp... water vapour helps to absorb heat away and prevents detonation....
as for my car, everything stock standard... no detonation or any overheating problem, thats why not much difference....

correct me if wrong unker... unsure.gif
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I think the water pump from aquarium shop is cheap only as well as switch . No harm to try thou..did you really get difference in FC
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post Aug 29 2007, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Aug 28 2007, 07:33 PM)
unker, my setup same with urs... but why mine tak jadi arr??... is it because ur car running high compression, which causes high engine temp... water vapour helps to absorb heat away and prevents detonation....
as for my car, everything stock standard... no detonation or any overheating problem, thats why not much difference....

correct me if wrong unker... unsure.gif
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mine a bit gila on idling is becos the stone too big hence causing too much vapour but one things for sure, 1 trip to klang and come back kl..half a tank gone...and fc only improves a little, worth da try considering cheap cost in doing it DIY style laugh.gif
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post Aug 29 2007, 02:12 AM

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QUOTE(fstrader @ Aug 29 2007, 12:47 AM)
mine a bit gila on idling is becos the stone too big hence causing too much vapour but one things for sure, 1 trip to klang and come back kl..half a tank gone...and fc only improves a little, worth da try considering cheap cost in doing it DIY style  laugh.gif
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yeap... i notice altering the stone position (high/low) will give u different amount of bubbles, which produce different vapour density... at the end, i got fedup fine tuning the right amount of water vapour.... hahahah...

unker, u tried mixing with alcohol before??... so far i tried pure tap water only.... not much difference...
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Aug 29 2007, 02:12 AM)
yeap... i notice altering the stone position (high/low) will give u different amount of bubbles, which produce different vapour density... at the end, i got fedup fine tuning the right amount of water vapour.... hahahah...

unker, u tried mixing with alcohol before??... so far i tried pure tap water only.... not much difference...
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din have da time to put alcohol cos too expensive laugh.gif
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post Aug 29 2007, 11:58 AM

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is the extra power response worth it?
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post Aug 29 2007, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(young_soul @ Aug 29 2007, 11:58 AM)
is the extra power response worth it?
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in short term, yes.... in long term, dunno... u dont know what water will do to ur pistons and valves... u might fried them....
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post Aug 29 2007, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(hypermount @ Aug 29 2007, 01:11 AM)
Is that brass nozzle used for the garden spray? Kinda big isn't it.
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the fitting is big , the nozzle small only ..

QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Aug 29 2007, 01:32 PM)
in short term, yes.... in long term, dunno... u dont know what water will do to ur pistons and valves... u might fried them....
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water just evaporate .. methanol gonna make a hole . i change my tb piping twice edi . sweat.gif
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QUOTE(coldfusionpower @ Aug 29 2007, 02:49 PM)
water just evaporate .. methanol gonna make a hole . i change my tb piping twice edi . sweat.gif
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means its damaging to the engine in long run la...
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post Aug 29 2007, 05:38 PM

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later open up engine see all the rusted pistons tongue.gif
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QUOTE(kev da man @ Aug 29 2007, 05:38 PM)
later open up engine see all the rusted pistons tongue.gif
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thats what i fear la... thats why i removed my setup adi....
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post Aug 30 2007, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Aug 29 2007, 06:34 PM)
means its damaging to the engine in long run la...
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yup . methanol is actually corrosive
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post Aug 30 2007, 01:26 AM

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wah... serious ? methanol is damage ? change 2 times for exhaust ? wow.... cant imagine... ohmy.gif


Added on August 30, 2007, 1:28 am
QUOTE(kev da man @ Aug 29 2007, 05:38 PM)
later open up engine see all the rusted pistons tongue.gif
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by the way... just for your information... piston dont rust ok ! laugh.gif

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post Aug 30 2007, 01:57 AM

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yea unless ur piston is not ceramic coated or engine block is made of aluminum.
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QUOTE(wevilli @ Aug 30 2007, 01:26 AM)
wah...  serious ? methanol is damage ?  change 2 times for exhaust ? wow....  cant imagine... ohmy.gif


Added on August 30, 2007, 1:28 am
by the way...  just for your information... piston dont rust ok !  laugh.gif
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u using what piston which doesnt rust??...
all iron cast will rust.... but it will take some time la...

i've seen halfcut GSR piston start to rust....
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QUOTE(wevilli @ Aug 30 2007, 02:26 AM)
wah...  serious ? methanol is damage ?  change 2 times for exhaust ? wow....  cant imagine... ohmy.gif

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not exhaust laa . TB as in throttle body piping . there's a hole just right below the injector nozzle after a few months.

anyway, my pistons are forged piston . comes stock with the engine . still good for 20psi of boost tongue.gif


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