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post Mar 3 2021, 05:35 PM, updated 5y ago

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Congratulations ✨🎉🎉🎉
🇹🇭✨Started! Land Bridge 100,000 Million Change World Water Transport🚢🌊
* A new shortcut for 2 days to replace the Straits of Malacca.
* The inoculation point has already been 68 million.
* Bonded 3 projects, port + dual way + motorway
* Laying the timeline to build year 2024, finish year 2026, push under the growth.
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post Mar 3 2021, 05:37 PM

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sg will angry
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post Mar 3 2021, 05:38 PM

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Sg n Msia also gg
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post Mar 3 2021, 05:39 PM

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What is land bridge ?
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QUOTE(ikankering @ Mar 3 2021, 05:37 PM)
sg will angry
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SG will invade Thailand.
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post Mar 3 2021, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Mar 3 2021, 05:38 PM)
Sg n Msia also gg
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Hurt SG more than us tbh. They go all out with their port, we dont.
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There will be economic pushback from Singapore, serious
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QUOTE(canuponly @ Mar 3 2021, 05:39 PM)
What is land bridge ?
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port on both end, connect by road/rail
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Meanwhile PAS and DBKL, banning liquor more important.
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QUOTE(arif85124 @ Mar 3 2021, 05:42 PM)
port on both end, connect by road/rail
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Haiz..Not practical la. Need to load and unload. I think it will be more costly.
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wat happen to kra canal?
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With this and
EV taking out petrol consumption.

Malaysia really GGWP.
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segenting kra?
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we don't need fdi no need port. PAS puas hati
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post Mar 3 2021, 05:46 PM

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some accident will take place at the port..
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the land bridge use to transport cargo ship or cargo only?
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QUOTE(Rhetoric @ Mar 3 2021, 05:40 PM)
Hurt SG more than us tbh. They go all out with their port, we dont.
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my guess, once this completes. SG probably shift towards fintech and silicon valley of SEA already. With HK slowly closer to China, SG will be a stronger financial hub for those anti China.
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kelantan PAS hapi. more job for their ppl. so kelantanese might be new bangla there. and border there just put, selamat pulang anak perantau.
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QUOTE(Rhetoric @ Mar 3 2021, 05:40 PM)
Hurt SG more than us tbh. They go all out with their port, we dont.
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QUOTE(rtk74 @ Mar 3 2021, 05:40 PM)
There will be economic pushback from Singapore, serious
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You think SG no Plan B?

The Thai land bridge decision must have been made some time ago. SG must have known about it already.
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QUOTE(canuponly @ Mar 3 2021, 05:43 PM)
Haiz..Not practical la. Need to load and unload. I think it will be more costly.
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me dont know the economic
but putting 9500 container lorry on single expressway, that capacity of 1 very large container ship...
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post Mar 3 2021, 05:51 PM

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sos mana sos?

if thats the case i think its time to pull out temporarily from freight related stocks liao
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post Mar 3 2021, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(canuponly @ Mar 3 2021, 05:39 PM)
SG will invade Thailand.
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let them fight
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post Mar 3 2021, 05:53 PM

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Thailand is talking cock lah. Who is going to offload their cargo in Ranong (1 business day), load it onto trucks/train to bring it to Chumphon (1 business day), and reload it onto another vessel (1 business day) in Chumphon, and pay all the different handling fees? Might as well spend the extra 1-2 days to offload in Singapore.
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Wow, logistical nightmare smile.gif Good luck.
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QUOTE(yolo1990 @ Mar 3 2021, 05:48 PM)
my guess, once this completes. SG probably shift towards fintech and silicon valley of SEA already. With HK slowly closer to China, SG will be a stronger financial hub for those anti China.
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Honestly SG should still do it either way. Thai has been flaunting new canal projects many times on many different location before. Kra got scrap, this one probably will too. They just talk a lot.
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Land bridge kepala otak.... space bridge is what we want.... Starscream... open the Space Bridge...

"“If we construct deep sea ports in Chumphon and Ranong and connect them with a land bridge that has dual tracked railway and highways for 120 kilometers… that would save two days of sailing [through the Malacca Straits],” he said."
- 2 Days? Worth it to unload, reload to land transport... reach the other side, unload and reload into another ship? Need 2 ships instead of one? Seriously... by physics alone, the resistance to move on water is already gg compared to land. To save that 2 days you need a JIT coordination between 2 ships and a very very long cargo train.

The Kra Canal was the spot on project but they were afraid of the different sea levels between the two sides of the country... despite having a good case study ... the Suez Canal.

Bila nak start to use sound vibration to move object again?

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If this project successful chances to make East Coast Rail Link project pretty become not relevant pretty high loo..... sad
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Kra canal more feasible.... Then build a bridge over it.
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luckily they didnt go ahead with the Kra Canal
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post Mar 3 2021, 06:07 PM

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Dock - unload - transport to another port - load - matilanak la.
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post Mar 3 2021, 06:10 PM

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Are they trying to make the kra canal seem more feasible?
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QUOTE(Rhetoric @ Mar 3 2021, 05:40 PM)
Hurt SG more than us tbh. They go all out with their port, we dont.
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agree, PSA is the heartbeat of SG
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What is land bridge ?
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post Mar 3 2021, 06:13 PM

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Same idea like ecrl?
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post Mar 3 2021, 06:16 PM

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this if introduced will collapse the SG shipping industry.

CCP will be velli happi.
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QUOTE(canuponly @ Mar 3 2021, 05:39 PM)
What is land bridge ?
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may be railway line or dedicated container truck highway
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post Mar 3 2021, 06:23 PM

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wanna divert river, now eat this. 🤭😁
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Hail new island of Malaya. Tourist love islands.
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I belive it when I see it.

How long time does it take to unload, transport, load goods? Compared to just sail around the straits. Time is money.
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QUOTE(canuponly @ Mar 3 2021, 05:43 PM)
Haiz..Not practical la. Need to load and unload. I think it will be more costly.
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What do you think transshipment ports have been doing all this time?
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QUOTE(aquos @ Mar 3 2021, 06:24 PM)
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It's a land bridge, not a canal. Jangan bodo lah.
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QUOTE(PATAR @ Mar 3 2021, 06:26 PM)
I belive it when I see it.

How long time does it take to unload, transport, load goods? Compared to just sail around the straits. Time is money.
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Can give Selat Melaka a good run for its money. The turnaround time will be crucial.

Selat Melaka currently the busiest and most congested seaway in the world, not to mention quite rife with piracy also.
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Lol those that said it'll hurt SG more than us.

From a simple picture, it seems like it. If you understand more on how SG government works, then you'll know nothing can hurt it economically. Love it or hate it, SG will always topple anything that might put their economy in jeopardy. And for this, SG has foreseen it way long ago and they knew this might happen someday somehow. Even if this project were to fail again, in future it'll still happen anyhow. SG is slowly shifting it's dependency on ports some time ago anyway.

Whilst Malaysia, we're the one who gets screwed big time.
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QUOTE(yolo1990 @ Mar 3 2021, 05:48 PM)
my guess, once this completes. SG probably shift towards fintech and silicon valley of SEA already. With HK slowly closer to China, SG will be a stronger financial hub for those anti China.
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Singapore tuas mega port open at this year phase 1 !!!!!!!

“The Port of Singapore is a free port, and the trade thereof is open to ships and vessels of every nation, equally and alike to all.”

So wrote British colonial agent Sir Stamford Raffles in 1819 after he established by treaty the port of Singapore, having purchased the island from a local sultan.


Almost exactly two centuries later, Singapore remains one of the


World’s busiest and most strategically important maritime hubs.


Today, the port attracts 130,000 vessel calls on average a year, while the maritime industry


Accounts for 7% of Singapore’s GDP


and 170,000 jobs



, a figure that is set to grow after Minister for Manpower Josephine Teo revealed that



13,000 more jobs be created in the aviation and maritime by 2025.

“Singapore commands a strategic position as a maritime hub in the regional and global arena,” says head of Baltic Exchange Asia Lu Su Ling.



“The maritime industry is, and will remain, a big contributor to Singapore’s economy, and it is therefore important that we continue to innovate and invest in this sector to achieve long-term success.”

Size matters: inside the Tuas mega-port expansion project
That investment shows no signs of drying up anytime soon.

The next significant landmark in the Port of Singapore’s evolution, the Tuas mega-port expansion project, is due for completion by 2040.


Slated to be the world’s largest container terminal, the complex is being constructed in 4 phases, with the 20 million-TEU first stage set for delivery in 2021 at a cost of S$2.42bn (US$1.76bn).


Consolidating container handling at the site, it will improve efficiency and vessel turnaround times, enabling the port to handle 65m TEU annually, compared with 45m at its four existing box terminals.

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told you it will happen
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QUOTE(mroys@lyn @ Mar 3 2021, 06:21 PM)
may be railway line or dedicated container truck highway
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Any country use this kind of technology???
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told you it will happen
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The next significant landmark in the Port of Singapore’s evolution, the Tuas mega-port expansion project, is due for completion by 2040.


Slated to be the world’s largest container terminal, the complex is being constructed in 4 phases, with the 20 million-TEU first stage set for delivery in 2021 at a cost of S$2.42bn (US$1.76bn).


Sg will cry???
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Save 2 days?
Unload/Loading/transport not take more time meh?
Just like our Kuantan port plans.
At least Kuantan port plans to use ECRL and have Kuantan Industrial park to use it.
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QUOTE(Black Mage @ Mar 3 2021, 06:16 PM)
macam not practical...
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Why???
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Weren't they talking about digging a canal through Songkla or something.

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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Mar 3 2021, 06:48 PM)
The next significant landmark in the Port of Singapore’s evolution, the Tuas mega-port expansion project, is due for completion by 2040.
Slated to be the world’s largest container terminal, the complex is being constructed in 4 phases, with the 20 million-TEU first stage set for delivery in 2021 at a cost of S$2.42bn (US$1.76bn).
Sg will cry???
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off course.
kra isthamus is such a threat, the kilometres saved is just no brainer, and so close proximity to bangkok and vietnam and cambodia etc.

now u know why singapore needs that hsr desperately

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QUOTE(Quang1819 @ Mar 3 2021, 06:34 PM)
Lol those that said it'll hurt SG more than us.

From a simple picture, it seems like it. If you understand more on how SG government works, then you'll know nothing can hurt it economically. Love it or hate it, SG will always topple anything that might put their economy in jeopardy. And for this, SG has foreseen it way long ago and they knew this might happen someday somehow. Even if this project were to fail again, in future it'll still happen anyhow. SG is slowly shifting it's dependency on ports some time ago anyway.

Whilst Malaysia, we're the one who gets screwed big time.
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so what have they put into motion to fix this?
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If PN is clever they will revisit hsr between KL and sg. Hsr From KL to SG will create a megalopolis With 600+ b GDP and population of 20 mil. Then we can crush Thailands dream of their project
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Singapore as a port die. Port Klang die. Penang port die
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so the kapal berjalan on road? owai
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Talking about this more than 20 years already. Sign dunno how many hundreds MOU as well. My former kompeni also part of IMT (indo-My-Th) agreement in 1995, sign for projects that time also tak jadi. Now want to see how far can go.

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cukur will have cleaner straits of malacca... PD will be leaner soon
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The efficiency of Singapore is second to non.
Land port sure no use for Mega container ship or super tanker.
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QUOTE(judas @ Mar 3 2021, 06:55 PM)
off course.
kra isthamus is such a threat, the kilometres saved is just no brainer, and so close proximity to bangkok and vietnam and cambodia etc.

now u know why singapore needs that hsr desperately
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singapore plan to use hsr rail to ship good also???
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QUOTE(pgsiemkia @ Mar 3 2021, 07:23 PM)
Talking about this more than 20 years already. Sign dunno how many hundreds MOU as well. My former kompeni also part of IMT (indo-My-Th) agreement in 1995, sign for projects that time also tak jadi. Now want to see how far can go.
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why always no jadi?

high cost?
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QUOTE(Tookia @ Mar 3 2021, 07:18 PM)
Singapore as a port die. Port Klang die. Penang port die
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talking 20 years already

everytime failed
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It would appeal to smaller shipping companies from area surrounding SCS to just go there to load containers delivered from the West.

But for bigger container ships that have large shipment to Far East countries like China & Japan, they would just bypass this. Too much handling fee & movement, not to say additional dealing with custom & immigration.

Some more developed port like SG have better vessel support & services.
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QUOTE(arif85124 @ Mar 3 2021, 05:42 PM)
port on both end, connect by road/rail
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I would say benefits are highly questionable.

On the other hand, if they manage to dig a canal from east to west, that would upset things.

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Hopefully Thai can guarantee the safety of shipping from separatist attack
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Let the project finish... Then annex thailand... Profit!
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Container unload, go through jalan, then again onto vessel???

Facepalm
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sg will angry
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Malaysia also can copy. Kelantan and perlis
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Panama canal versi asia
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Msia will survive.. But SG will gg...
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Unload then reload + waiting total how many days?
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I doubt they have the money and political stability to make it happen

But if it does, MY & SG ports will suffer huge losses
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Mar 3 2021, 07:37 PM)
talking 20 years already

everytime failed
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sg is well known in bribing thai politicians to reject kra canal project.
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QUOTE(hanzyms @ Mar 3 2021, 05:48 PM)
the land bridge use to transport cargo ship or cargo only?
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Pick up whole container ship and use hovering technology developed by Thai engineering
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QUOTE(Quang1819 @ Mar 3 2021, 06:34 PM)
Lol those that said it'll hurt SG more than us.

From a simple picture, it seems like it. If you understand more on how SG government works, then you'll know nothing can hurt it economically. Love it or hate it, SG will always topple anything that might put their economy in jeopardy. And for this, SG has foreseen it way long ago and they knew this might happen someday somehow. Even if this project were to fail again, in future it'll still happen anyhow. SG is slowly shifting it's dependency on ports some time ago anyway.

Whilst Malaysia, we're the one who gets screwed big time.
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lol.... their model is similar to MY, elites are heading GLCs. put some troopers and hope for change of government. kiasu economy terus collapse.
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The land bridge cross Myanmar? Lel good luck
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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Mar 3 2021, 07:53 PM)
Bodoh

Container unload, go through jalan, then again onto vessel???

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except for go thru jalan, isnt that what they do in singapore?
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Lets claim back Bukit
Then malaysia own the south
Prosperity
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QUOTE(Raddus @ Mar 3 2021, 08:15 PM)
Pick up whole container ship and use hovering technology developed by Thai engineering
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Just a rail track dedicated for cargo will do. One train can haul almost one ship's number of containers across.

You think use truck one by one?
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QUOTE(Raddus @ Mar 3 2021, 08:16 PM)
The land bridge cross Myanmar? Lel good luck
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the map doesnt do justice la.
its like this one

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and current prayut o cha looks like into it already.

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Talking about this more than 20 years already. Sign dunno how many hundreds MOU as well. My former kompeni also part of IMT (indo-My-Th) agreement in 1995, sign for projects that time also tak jadi. Now want to see how far can go.
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Recently Singapore has been very disobedient to China and uncooperative.

This project could be China's move to change the dynamics of SEA trade and game changer to Western dominance.

There will be a war coming soon and unrest in SEA region if this continues.

Westerners are already funding unrest and liberation movements in Myanmar and Thailand to make sure this doesn't happen.
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why always no jadi?

high cost?
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they are very dependents on tourism.
tourism operators no like port facility.
they also have penangnite like not on my backyard mentality. everything also complain.

of course siam people say, sinki are funding these NGO.
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Finally it happens.

If I’m Kelantan Perlis, I’ll start to promote FDI and highlight how fast we can reach Thailand instead keep dreaming
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lol........

good luck with that
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Yeah that's why I think the West got involvement in stirring the recent protest and unrest in both Myanmar and Thailand. They don't want these 2 countries to get too friendly with China's influence and jeopardize their investments/interests in both Singapore and Indonesia in this region.


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QUOTE(canuponly @ Mar 3 2021, 05:43 PM)
Haiz..Not practical la. Need to load and unload. I think it will be more costly.
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what do you think happened at tuas?

exactly they unload from another ship, take the content of kontena from various location and do final assembly at Jurong slap a made in Singapore sticker before packing it back on another kontena and load it up to another ship.

also thailand are building two of these

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sg is well known in bribing thai politicians to reject kra canal project.
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Yeah that's why I think the West got involvement in stirring the recent protest and unrest in both Myanmar and Thailand. They don't want these 2 countries to get too friendly with China's influence and jeopardize their investments/interests in both Singapore and Indonesia in this region.
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What does China say to claims it played a role in Myanmar’s military coup?

Protesters outside the Chinese embassy in Yangon accuse Beijing of aiding the coup plotters

China denies it had knowledge of the overthrow of the elected government headed by Aung San Suu Kyi


Pro-democracy protesters have staged repeated demonstrations outside the Chinese embassy in Yangon, Myanmar’s commercial capital, demanding that Beijing stop supporting the country’s junta.

Myanmar’s military overthrew the elected government in a coup on February 1 and put de facto leader Aung San Suu Kyi and President Win Myint under house arrest.
Holding up signs saying “Support Myanmar, Don’t support dictators” and “Stop helping the military”, the protesters accuse Beijing of aiding the coup plotters.
China, which has major strategic and economic interests in the Southeast Asian country, has denied prior knowledge of or involvement in the coup.
However, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi met Myanmese officials, including Senior General Min Aung Hlaing, who seized power in the coup, in January as part of a regional tour.


Here is how China has responded so far:

February 1
Chinese state news agency Xinhua calls the military takeover and detention of Suu Kyi “a major cabinet reshuffle”.

The Chinese foreign ministry calls for all parties in Myanmar to “resolve their differences”.

February 2

The United Nations Security Council meets to discuss a proposal to issue a joint statement condemning the military’s actions in Myanmar. China and Russia veto the decision, saying the international community should not take any action that would raise tensions in Myanmar.

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Not so easy as planned on paper. Take the Suez and Panama Canal. Both costing loads of money and involves countries around that area. Also southerner Thailand is not well-off as the funds are not coming from the capital. More over the southern states are fighting to be independent or become another state in marehsia. There will be delays upon delays to get this project completed which will be digging a river deep enough for tankers to cross, where are they going to dump all that soil, rocks and plants including villagers? Another 100 years maybe...

Forget to add Marehsia may lose billions due to Penang and Port Klang affected but worse hit will be Singapork. Also the costal pirates will have less income and will also pay the terrorists to sabo the project.



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QUOTE(hanzyms @ Mar 3 2021, 05:48 PM)
the land bridge use to transport cargo ship or cargo only?
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Means use intermodal.

Dock, unload, transport via prime mover, loading, sail.
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Thailand is talking cock lah. Who is going to offload their cargo in Ranong (1 business day), load it onto trucks/train to bring it to Chumphon (1 business day), and reload it onto another vessel (1 business day) in Chumphon, and pay all the different handling fees? Might as well spend the extra 1-2 days to offload in Singapore.
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QUOTE(yolo1990 @ Mar 3 2021, 05:48 PM)
my guess, once this completes. SG probably shift towards fintech and silicon valley of SEA already. With HK slowly closer to China, SG will be a stronger financial hub for those anti China.
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when was the last time you guessed anything correctly?


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What is land bridge ?
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Recently Singapore has been very disobedient to China and uncooperative.

This project could be China's move to change the dynamics of SEA trade and game changer to Western dominance.

There will be a war coming soon and unrest in SEA region if this continues.

Westerners are already funding unrest and liberation movements in Myanmar and Thailand to make sure this doesn't happen.
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source????
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I worked with thais before and previously with japanese company and did a soil investigation works. do you think sg politicians are clean. they don't take bribe but give bribe. at home soil very innocent
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Hopefully Thai can guarantee the safety of shipping from separatist attack
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that strip of land is full of bandits, insurgent ..

security cost will skyrocket


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harsh reality southern thai is still an active conflict zone
just last week 2 govt rangers got killed in ambush
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/genera...rathiwat-attack
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Smuggling - Issue
Paperwork - Issue

I wonder how's the paperwork like? since you are leaving free trade zone...
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Wow.. Tak sangka dolu2 dah ada plan mcm tu..
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we shud do this

from kedah to kelantan,foreigner ship plop straight at other sea

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I think they actually save on ship's fuel rather than time.
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Time to fund terrorists in southern Thailand

U know there's a reason we allow PAS to keep the northern states


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we shud do this

from kedah to kelantan,foreigner ship plop straight at other sea

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when was the last time you guessed anything correctly?
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nothing better to say?
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QUOTE(yolo1990 @ Mar 3 2021, 05:48 PM)
my guess, once this completes. SG probably shift towards fintech and silicon valley of SEA already. With HK slowly closer to China, SG will be a stronger financial hub for those anti China.
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Malaysian gotta compete with Indons and Myanmar for job in Singapore by then
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A suez canal sister would work. This won't as too much delay in loading and inland transport. Also need to book freight at 2 additional ports. imho cannot succeed
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pass by golden triangle area?
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anyone know why thai dont build canal on this area before? i think it is good plan to have a canal that connected to both seas.
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QUOTE(mrhulk @ Mar 3 2021, 10:15 PM)
anyone know why thai dont build canal on this area before? i think it is good plan to have a canal that connected to both seas.
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why we didnt build?
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Many people are not familiar with how shipping logistics work. 90% of world trade is by sea simply because it is far and away the most efficient mode of cargo transportation.

The port of Singapore for examples handles equivalent of 36 million container units a year, give or take. This would mean one hundred thousand containers per day being unloaded, loaded, transshipped, stacked, sorted. There are 1000 vessels in Singapore at any point in time, with a vessel arriving and departing every 2-3 minutes. The biggest container vessels in the world have a carrying capacity of 20, 000 containers. The average vessel half of that. The port of Singapore is effectively a giant container park.

We are not even factoring Tanjung Pelepas, Port Klang here, just Singapore alone.

Can anyone imagine this same volume of containers being unloaded, stacked into rail or prime movers and shipped overland just to save shipowners 2-3 days worth of steaming time? Tens of thousands of shipping containers being shifted every minute via rail and prime movers through one port overland to another port.

Malaysia/Singapore should nonetheless be planning for a future where shipping ports are no longer relevant, but the revolution will not come because of a magic Isthmus of Kra canal or an overland route. It will come from 3D printing that will give all countries the means to develop their own automated manufacturing base.

Source: I am from the marine industry
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QUOTE(mrhulk @ Mar 3 2021, 10:15 PM)
anyone know why thai dont build canal on this area before? i think it is good plan to have a canal that connected to both seas.
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because the amount of manpower and time require to even clear each ship is too costly even if it is operational. it doesn't shorten much of the time even just to go through the straits of melaka

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Malaysia lose FDI and now will lose port. BIG BLOW TO MALAYSIA!
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Malaysia used to be losing everything...
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QUOTE(SiakapHunter @ Mar 3 2021, 10:16 PM)
Many people are not familiar with how shipping logistics work. 90% of world trade is by sea simply because it is far and away the most efficient mode of cargo transportation.

The port of Singapore for examples handles equivalent of 36 million container units a year, give or take. This would mean one hundred thousand containers per day being unloaded, loaded, transshipped, stacked, sorted. There are 1000 vessels in Singapore at any point in time, with a vessel arriving and departing every 2-3 minutes. The biggest container vessels in the world have a carrying capacity of 20, 000 containers. The average vessel half of that. The port of Singapore is effectively a giant container park.

We are not even factoring Tanjung Pelepas, Port Klang here, just Singapore alone.

Can anyone imagine this same volume of containers being unloaded, stacked into rail or prime movers and shipped overland just to save shipowners 2-3 days worth of steaming time? Tens of thousands of shipping containers being shifted every minute via rail and prime movers through one port overland to another port.

Malaysia/Singapore should nonetheless be planning for a future where shipping ports are no longer relevant, but the revolution will not come because of a magic Isthmus of Kra canal or an overland route. It will come from 3D printing that will give all countries the means to develop their own automated manufacturing base.

Source: I am from the marine industry
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Interesting. Thanks for the insight.
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Lol land bridge..good luck thai
Unless they start digging the kra kanal than,gg

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i think it been proposal few times already but nvr success
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SG will GG.com first coz they spend billions to built Tuas Megaport. Mesia as usual malu apa bossku
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this could make ECRL redundant
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how the land bridge look like, cannot imagine
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QUOTE(yolo1990 @ Mar 3 2021, 05:48 PM)
my guess, once this completes. SG probably shift towards fintech and silicon valley of SEA already. With HK slowly closer to China, SG will be a stronger financial hub for those anti China.
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not probably, its definitely laugh.gif
SG for how many years already been moving from shipping to financial hub
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Why diagonal?
That makes it longer.

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Takes 1 day to unload cargo, another day to reload.
DOA
Just dig a canal.
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me dont know the economic
but putting 9500 container lorry on single expressway, that capacity of 1 very large container ship...
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9500x 12.2m = 115.9km
Loooooool
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QUOTE(Noryume @ Mar 3 2021, 09:46 PM)
I think they actually save on ship's fuel rather than time.
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Truck, cranes and trains don't use fuel?
Ok.
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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Mar 3 2021, 08:20 PM)
Just a rail track dedicated for cargo will do. One train can haul almost one ship's number of containers across.

You think use truck one by one?
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That's a loooooooooooooooooooooong train
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It is just a matter of time the kra canal will be built. With current technology today is even easier.
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anyone know why thai dont build canal on this area before? i think it is good plan to have a canal that connected to both seas.
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Politics-don't wanna physically separate the territory, further fueling secessionist movement in southern province.

Economics-it was expensive then. Now, the ROI would be more profitable with the traffic volume.

Security-kinda unsafe to have important maritime chokepoint in unstable southern region.

Technology-more labor intensive then.

Among the reasons, probably...
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People need to realize this would have drastic effects on Malaysia too. Singapore and Malaysia has to work together to oppose this.
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port on both end, connect by road/rail
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will it work?
imagine a ship reach on 1 side, then transport the container by road on another side.
doesnt make sense to get another ship to collect the container at another side to continue with journey.

I think it is more for thai own use instead for international routing.

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ICERD more important
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Save only 2 days against the efficiency of Sinkapork? SInkapork still have big advantages against lazy and corrupt thais.... and kaboom
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This issue is going on for 200 years plus and at the end may not matter too much if the artic melt, ships from Europe & America can directly bypass the whole SEA region and go to China, Japan & Korea directly and vice versa. This will be a much shorter route. Then, Singkies, Malaysian, Thai, Indon and perhaps even Egypt (Suez) and Panama all GG.

From China's perspective, it makes more sense to invest in Pakistan and west Asia (those former Soviet countries) for geopolitical security than in Kra. It will be more secured than Thailand as these countries are far from US sphere and make more sense than Kra which is very near to the Indian naval base in Andaman.

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Proceed with Kra Canal, Peninsular Malaysia will become Malay Island
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Malaya Island

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Malaysia lose FDI and now will lose port. BIG BLOW TO MALAYSIA!
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Truck, cranes and trains don't use fuel?
Ok.
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To transport the same masses for 1200km compare to 100km surely got differences. They will not save 2 days worth of fuel but 1 day of ship's fuel should be still alot.
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People need to realize this would have drastic effects on Malaysia too. Singapore and Malaysia has to work together to oppose this.
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People want to build road you oppose with what? Oppose with ranjiao ar?

It's like Malaysia want to build North South highway and Thailand oppose. Make sense or not? Don't be stupid la.
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People need to realize this would have drastic effects on Malaysia too. Singapore and Malaysia has to work together to oppose this.
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Malaysia also have something similar called ECRL.

and thus MY & ID pretty much artificially limit the numbers of ship that can go through SOM which would be at full capacity in 2024. nor they bothered to solve current SOM issues particularly pirate nor dredge it as the SOM at Kukup- Karimun are pretty shallow.

ID on the other hand are developing both Makassar straits where the new capital is as well as Sunda straits. heck MY & ID even few times talk about building a bridge on SOM.
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wat is a land bridge? is it like the panama canal? if not then it is not a big issue realy
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use maglev technology to move the ship from one port to the other biggrin.gif
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will it work?
imagine a ship reach on 1 side, then transport the container by road on another side.
doesnt make sense to get another ship to collect the container at another side to continue with journey.

I think it is more for thai own use instead for international routing.
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it's transshipment ports, ship from china/japan/korea brings semicon/phones/cars to the east port and bring back oil/fruits/RR engine from europe/mid.east and vice-versa on the west port.
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Technological wise it is completely feasible

Political wise, it won't happen! You think USA will allow CCP to control such an important sea canal? No way.

Besides, cargo ships speed are increasing tremendously nowadays. It may save 2 days if the canal is ready by today. However, when the canal is finished, it may only save you 1 damn day as cargo ship speed is faster in the future.

Hence, it totally doesn't make any damn sohai sense to use Thai canal since it only save you 1 day.
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USA already wanted to trigger a war with China over sovereignty of South China Sea, and now China want to build and control Thai canal...?

Plus Thailand is damn good friend of USA.

Haha, good luck to China if China can even succeed in digging a meter of the canal.

The canal can only finally be commence to build once USA losing out substantially to china in terms of military, technology and economy, which may not even happen within this 100 years from now
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Boleh confirm 100% safe ke?

Later the extremists and militants from Southern Thailand bomb the canal. Not good for investment.
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QUOTE(derthvadar @ Mar 4 2021, 09:44 AM)
Boleh confirm 100% safe ke?

Later the extremists and militants from Southern Thailand bomb the canal. Not good for investment.
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This is most likely one of the main reasons why it was never built 20-30 years ago and are still dilly-dallying over the proposal today. A canal and effectively cutting off southern Thailand will almost definitely lead to an increase of separatism and terrorism.

Bangkok already has difficulties holding them down, being way in the north and all.
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It's not just about cutting the distance and travel time shorter.

When you bypass both the Straits of Malacca, you're also disabling and cutting off a major Western financial laundering hub in this region.

It's like starving the enemy from its source of food.

For decades there's always unrest happening in Southern Thailand for a reason. Who benefits most from it and the prevention of the Kra Canal from materializing?

I guess China see this as a opportunity to win the war against the West?

There is NO such thing as good or bad side in war.

It is always the result of conflicts of interests between superpowers.

While the West funds unrest and push for liberty movements to their advantages, China can favor the ruling families/military to get what they want.

The victims of the stampede are always the civillians or citizens.
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QUOTE(Manatau @ Mar 5 2021, 09:15 PM)
100 years what?? My prediction is only 10 years

China's military can whack US military similarly

CN has EMP can blackout communications in US
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haha, if china can produce their own aircraft carrier only talk la.
Even their current aircraft carrier is from mother russia since 1980s.

 

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