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chatter77
post May 11 2022, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ May 11 2022, 07:06 PM)
Like I said. Up to you as it doesn't concern me one bit.  smile.gif
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Yet, you asked me to debate with him.

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QUOTE(chatter77 @ May 11 2022, 07:15 PM)
Yet, you asked me to debate with him.
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I was obligated to let you know so that you can defend your belief but since you already said you don't want to, it is not my concern.


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post May 12 2022, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(ramz @ Feb 26 2022, 07:14 PM)
Don't fuck with me la.

Answer directly yes or no first. Don't start to putar belit coz I will come back and expose u just like your pseudo science theory of intelligent design.

Do you claim god instructed mankind to worship or submit to it? Yes or no. I added "submit" coz I know u love to play word games. So i will cover all the perkataan seerti.
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This is funny.

Friend, you have posted many replies, and now you asked me did I claim "god instructed mankind to worship or submit to it"?

As far as evidence is concerned, yes Muslims need to worship God.

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post May 12 2022, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(chatter77 @ May 12 2022, 10:17 AM)
This is funny.

Friend, you have posted many replies, and now you asked me did I claim "god instructed mankind to worship or submit to it"?

As far as evidence is concerned, yes Muslims need to worship God.
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So what is wrong with post 5112? Now that u corrected yourself when u challenged me that I claimed Islam requires to worship that god

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post May 12 2022, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(ramz @ May 12 2022, 11:36 AM)
So what is wrong with post 5112? Now that u corrected yourself when u challenged me that I claimed Islam requires to worship that god
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Corrected myself? Please post my initial claim. Did I say Muslims are not required to worship God? Where?


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post May 12 2022, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(chatter77 @ May 12 2022, 02:37 PM)
Corrected myself? Please post my initial claim. Did I say Muslims are not required to worship God? Where?
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Read back 5112. No need to spoon feed you. If u have problem with 5112 go ahead and raise it, else we close the issue as everything is said in 5112 is agreed.
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post May 12 2022, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(ramz @ May 12 2022, 02:56 PM)
Read back 5112. No need to spoon feed you. If u have problem with 5112 go ahead and raise it, else we close the issue as everything is said in 5112 is agreed.
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Post #5112
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=103698281
QUOTE(ramz @ Feb 25 2022, 08:35 AM)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

The science method
Islam is over the roof claim. Its telling u to believe something not ordinary. Its telling u to believe a god, to worship that god,  the book from god called the Quran, and the books by humans that is approved by god called the hadiths, and to copy the behavior and actions of a human prophet assigned by it. Extremely far fetch claims! So we shouldn't just rely on a book saying all the above are true. So what will best prove Islam since is such a extraordinary claim? Scientific method of course. Coz that's the most reliable way, and proven to be so. Science have changed our lives so drastically. Not bad for a discipline that is only looking at truth in an unbias way. The historical science i doubt will be enough, coz it is just looking at documents and events. It fail at linking an event to Truth. And that's ultimately what we after. Not events, but truth. We can have lot of events that actually happened, but are they linked to the truth? Historical science may not be able to answer that, especially for absurd claims of Islam.
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Not addressing the issue.

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post May 12 2022, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(chatter77 @ May 12 2022, 03:23 PM)
What's the issue?
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post May 12 2022, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(ramz @ May 12 2022, 03:38 PM)
What's the issue?
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Sigh...

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=103707681
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The claim that your god instructs you to worship it is true.
The claim can be found in Al-Quran. What is the "is true" are you referring here?

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post May 12 2022, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(chatter77 @ May 12 2022, 04:34 PM)
Sigh...

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=103707681

The claim can be found in Al-Quran. What is the "is true" are you referring here?
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It's true lah. So no issue.
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post May 12 2022, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(ramz @ May 10 2022, 10:51 AM)
If u go through all the Malaysian debates with CP,  u can see the low standard of our thinking. Malaysian rational thinking skill is embarrassing. The government and environment the muslims are exposed is just not conducive for rational thinkers.
Rational thinking is not only about religion, but about every aspects of life and work  God save Malaysia.
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I pity these Muslims and their stifling Islamic countries. They are weak, and this likely stems from the kind of thinking from their environment with strict religious codes and beliefs. If they leave the environment and migrate or study in non-Islamic countries or that are more liberal, they are likely to be able to argue much better with a wider scope of understanding of the natural world.

Now most Muslim countries are either economic or technological slaves or both of the West. Pity more those who are oppressed and exploited even in their own lands ...
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post May 17 2022, 09:39 AM

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My hope one day is changing religion is as easy as changing your favourite colour. What a waste of tax money handling these unnecessary procedures of religion change. I hope one day there is no longer need of government involvement to change religion, just like there is no government involvement to change your favourite colour.
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post May 17 2022, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(ramz @ May 17 2022, 09:39 AM)
https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...brace-c/2055868

My hope one day is changing religion is as easy as changing your favourite colour. What a waste of tax money handling these unnecessary procedures of religion change. I hope one day there is no longer need of government involvement to change religion, just like there is no government involvement to change your favourite colour.
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That may happen soon, people's view of the world is no longer as narrow minded and bigoted as in the past due to the easy availability of information and spread of science. Imagine say 500 years ago, how could you calmly refute sun sets in muddy spring, and send shivers to believers so much they have to twist their translation ...
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post May 17 2022, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ May 17 2022, 10:49 AM)
That may happen soon, people's view of the world is no longer as narrow minded and bigoted as in the past due to the easy availability of information and spread of science. Imagine say 500 years ago, how could you calmly refute sun sets in muddy spring, and send shivers to believers so much they have to twist their translation ...
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I'm not sure about soon as in my life time. Religion is used for tribal reasons. To keep the tribe together so that it has power for the tribe leaders to do stuff smoothly.

Religion is tribal folks. Stop being tribal. Let's think human race, and if u can't think that far, think about Malaysia first. Stop being narrow minded about race and religion.

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post May 17 2022, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(ramz @ May 17 2022, 10:58 AM)
I'm not sure about soon as in my life time. Religion is used for tribal reasons. To keep the tribe together so that it has power for the tribe leaders to do stuff smoothly.

Religion is tribal folks. Stop being tribal. Let's think human race, and if u can't think that far, think about Malaysia first. Stop being narrow minded about race and religion.
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People may still believe in religions, but they would also accept their beliefs are one of many, probably only in the sense related to afterlife, that they are becoming broad minded and less bigoted, allowing freedom of belief. For us IMO, we bring this kind of understanding across to everyone when we post or engage ...
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post May 19 2022, 05:21 PM

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1st, what he did was wrong.

2nd, did he learn this from his religion?

He said: 'I am a Prophet (of Allah).' I again said: 'Who is a Prophet?' He said: '(I am a Prophet in the sense that) I have been sent by Allah.' I said: 'What is that which you have been sent with?' He said: 'I have been sent to join ties of relationship (with kindness and affection), to break the idols, and to proclaim the oneness of Allah (in a manner that) nothing is to be associated with Him.'" [Bukhari: Book 04, Number 1812]

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post Jun 16 2022, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(ramz @ May 17 2022, 09:39 AM)
https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...brace-c/2055868

My hope one day is changing religion is as easy as changing your favourite colour. What a waste of tax money handling these unnecessary procedures of religion change. I hope one day there is no longer need of government involvement to change religion, just like there is no government involvement to change your favourite colour.
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https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...-buddhism/12486

Well folks, that one day won't come too soon. But it remains immoral to deny someone's freedom to change religion. It's all tribal. The people in power knows they can't set precedent, coz that will be the grand opening of the flood gates, which will never be closed again. They can't afford this else they will lose power.

 

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