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post Apr 2 2021, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 2 2021, 07:12 PM)
Yeah. They cut a lot. When Z490 is crap........
From my experience la, Z490 Taichi is good.

Z490 Steel Legend, somehow the processor will throttle after some load. Exactly like this video.

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post Apr 2 2021, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 2 2021, 06:46 PM)
Asrock 400 series boards are garbage. Cannot trust them until got reviews.
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Does it matter if only use with 11400F / 10400F?
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Apr 2 2021, 07:21 PM)
Does it matter if only use with 11400F / 10400F?
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should be no problem kua if stock 11400F/10400. The 11400F cooler looks cool. 65w stock tdp only hurts stressed multithreaded workloads but gaming currently looked good. Not bad for the price
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post Apr 2 2021, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Apr 2 2021, 07:21 PM)
Does it matter if only use with 11400F / 10400F?
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Apr 2 2021, 07:35 PM)
should be no problem kua if stock 11400F/10400. The 11400F cooler looks cool. 65w stock tdp only hurts stressed multithreaded workloads but gaming currently looked good. Not bad for the price
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If you wanna take the risk, be my guest. Their VRM for low budget boards on Z490 is fail.

Don't forget, die size is around 40% bigger for Rocket Lake.
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post Apr 2 2021, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Apr 2 2021, 07:21 PM)
Does it matter if only use with 11400F / 10400F?
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 2 2021, 07:45 PM)
If you wanna take the risk, be my guest. Their VRM for low budget boards on Z490 is fail.

Don't forget, die size is around 40% bigger for Rocket Lake.
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Bigger die also means easier to cool... provided the powerdraw is the same as previous gen. Maybe that's why the 11700F temps from a china benchmark is super low... id expect this 11400F to be running insanely chill as well, like my 10400F. Never exceeded 60 lmao.

But yeah, just judging from the performance of 11600K and 11700K, can sort of guessed 11400 and 11700 will be on point.

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post Apr 2 2021, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Apr 2 2021, 08:20 PM)
Bigger die also means easier to cool... provided the powerdraw is the same as previous gen. Maybe that's why the 11700F temps from a china benchmark is super low... id expect this 11400F to be running insanely chill as well, like my 10400F. Never exceeded 60 lmao.

But yeah, just judging from the performance of 11600K and 11700K, can sort of guessed 11400 and 11700 will be on point.
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VRM has nothing to do with CPU cooling. Bigger die could suck more power.

Its possible to run i5 on Asrock B560. i7 or i9 for future upgrade is a big question mark.

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 2 2021, 08:42 PM)
VRM has nothing to do with CPU cooling. Bigger die could suck more power.

Its possible to run i5 on Asrock B560. i7 or i9 for future upgrade is a big question mark.
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6phases should be fine. Provided there's a decent heatsink and you strap on a 4mm fan.. should be hovering at 70C load.

But z490 itx are quite cheap now since youre looking for an ITX build. Gigabyte auros 1.3k, MSI unify 1.2k. Easily handle an overclocked 10900K.
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after a long search...finally

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post Apr 2 2021, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(mazda @ Apr 2 2021, 09:28 PM)
after a long search...finally

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Nice.. from which shop?
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 2 2021, 08:42 PM)
VRM has nothing to do with CPU cooling. Bigger die could suck more power.

Its possible to run i5 on Asrock B560. i7 or i9 for future upgrade is a big question mark.
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yeah normal 11400-11500 i5 should be ok, i7 and i9 is risky on that board.
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Apr 2 2021, 01:04 PM)
2X16GB single sided should all be DJR. 2x8GB single sided should all be CJR. I think they EOL both the MFR and AFR dies already.

Which now makes me wonder... since their value ram also uses these hynix dies, probably poorly binned. But if smack on a nice heatspreader and crank up the voltages. Wonder how would they perform at a fraction of the price.
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I think for the average joe, 2x16GB dual sided will be better than single sided, so CJR might still be better when not pushing RAM past 4000, given dual rank being just a bit faster than single rank on both Intel and AMD setups.

QUOTE(Bonchi @ Apr 2 2021, 01:38 PM)
skylake's threading bug wont haunt the 10700F.. so if budget is really tight, 10700F is still a very good deal. However might as well topup 350 for a 11700F and cut cost from somewhere... like not using RGB for example.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 2 2021, 03:33 PM)
Unwarranted hate.
I can list a dozen of external DACs that costs as much as an entire high-end i9 + 3090 build that barely outperforms on-board audio.

People here think Intel and AMD are bullshitters, but you ain't seen shit from the snake oil that only exists in the audio market.
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There are a few solid buys in the budget space. O2+ODAC was really great for its time, for instance. Haven't kept up with the audiophile scene though.

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This reviewer took a dump on the 10400 at launch but liked the 11400.
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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Apr 2 2021, 11:15 PM)


This reviewer took a dump on the 10400 at launch but liked the 11400.
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Because 11400 is still cheaper than Ryzen 5 3600. And you can OC RAM on B560. Locked i5 no longer choked by RAM bandwidth.
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 2 2021, 11:18 PM)
Because 11400 is still cheaper than Ryzen 5 3600. And you can OC RAM on B560. Locked i5 no longer choked by RAM bandwidth.
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Yup, because the 11400 is targeting a price segment AMD isn't even competing in anymore. And they used 3200 CL14 B-dies for reviews instead of capping it to low timing 2666 RAM like they did with the 10400, since B560 and H570 support RAM overclocking.
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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Apr 2 2021, 11:07 PM)
I think for the average joe, 2x16GB dual sided will be better than single sided, so CJR might still be better when not pushing RAM past 4000, given dual rank being just a bit faster than single rank on both Intel and AMD setups.
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But no one makes dual rank CJR 2X16GB anymore. it's significantly costlier to put dies on both sides so they're usually only can be found on really premium kits. These Klevv Bolt XR are considered the budget option. Infact, they're cheaper than the corsairs LPX which the current SKU are all currently on micron Rev.B.

QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Apr 2 2021, 11:29 PM)
Yup, because the 11400 is targeting a price segment AMD isn't even competing in anymore. And they used 3200 CL14 B-dies for reviews instead of capping it to low timing 2666 RAM like they did with the 10400, since B560 and H570 support RAM overclocking.
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That was because on the 10400F, the "stock" mem clock was 2666 while the 11400F is 3200... so he kinda play the "spec game". But it's rather unfortunate as the rocketlake can easily hit 4000mhz. Heck even the cometlake can....

AMD did not abandoned that price segment.. it's rather they can't...afterall that's where the largest marketshare will be. It's because they have so few dies to roll out, making it wiser for them to keep pumping out 5800X which has the highest profit margin and die yields. Afterall the zen2 also uses the same 7nm fabrication allocation which of course they will want to reserve all for their zen3 and navi.

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Apr 2 2021, 09:43 PM)
Nice.. from which shop?
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post Apr 3 2021, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Apr 3 2021, 12:19 AM)
But no one makes dual rank CJR 2X16GB anymore. it's significantly costlier to put dies on both sides so they're usually only can be found on really premium kits. These Klevv Bolt XR are considered the budget option. Infact, they're cheaper than the corsairs LPX which the current SKU are all currently on micron Rev.B.
That was because on the 10400F, the "stock" mem clock was 2666 while the 11400F is 3200... so he kinda play the "spec game". But it's rather unfortunate as the rocketlake can easily hit 4000mhz. Heck even the cometlake can....

AMD did not abandoned that price segment.. it's rather they can't...afterall that's where the largest marketshare will be. It's because they have so few dies to roll out, making it wiser for them to keep pumping out 5800X which has the highest profit margin and die yields. Afterall the zen2 also uses the same 7nm fabrication allocation which of course they will want to reserve all for their zen3 and navi.
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quite crazy that the disadvantage of using intel using own fab and stucked on 14nm actually turned the tide now, being so advantageous at current time to pump out silicons without quota issues on using external fabs. That's why even before rocket lake came out intel regained market share
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post Apr 3 2021, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Apr 3 2021, 12:19 AM)
AMD did not abandoned that price segment.. it's rather they can't...afterall that's where the largest marketshare will be. It's because they have so few dies to roll out, making it wiser for them to keep pumping out 5800X which has the highest profit margin and die yields. Afterall the zen2 also uses the same 7nm fabrication allocation which of course they will want to reserve all for their zen3 and navi.
Need not compete when there's no stocks in the first place.

Below the Ryzen 5 3600 there's practically nothing.

3500X is not longer a good option. 3300X is extinct, near impossible to find even since launch. 3100 there's quite a few, I have like 3 - 4 of those - they're good but nothing else between that and the 3600.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 3 2021, 09:38 AM)
Need not compete when there's no stocks in the first place.

Below the Ryzen 5 3600 there's practically nothing.

3500X is not longer a good option. 3300X is extinct, near impossible to find even since launch. 3100 there's quite a few, I have like 3 - 4 of those - they're good but nothing else between that and the 3600.
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The 11400F finally buried the 3600, and the price hike on the 3600 is not really helping too. Without any new products in this 3600 range also means good luck finding a used unit. Altho if it's me, i rather get the ryzen pro 4650G over the 3600 if must AM4. With i3 10100 price drop, 3100 also pretty hard to recommend.

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