First day limit down lol. Glove company u dare list?
IPO : Flexidynamic Holdings Bhd, ACE Market, Discussion on Flexidynamic Holdings Bhd
IPO : Flexidynamic Holdings Bhd, ACE Market, Discussion on Flexidynamic Holdings Bhd
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Mar 10 2021, 02:29 PM
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First day limit down lol. Glove company u dare list?
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Mar 16 2021, 09:41 PM
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QUOTE(SURE ANGPOW @ Mar 11 2021, 01:08 AM) ..am doing my homework.. Whats the TP..NOWWW burning midnight candles with IPO MANIA - infact IPO sentiment is much crucial than FA..... BTW.....our Batu Cave comrade |
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Mar 16 2021, 11:04 PM
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Mar 17 2021, 01:04 PM
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 16 2021, 03:34 PM) QUOTE(abdrahib @ Mar 16 2021, 03:50 PM) QUOTE(sl3ge @ Mar 16 2021, 04:43 PM) QUOTE(HumbleBF @ Mar 16 2021, 10:45 PM) QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 17 2021, 12:28 PM) lol, you either read superficially and adopt their figure as it is then yes, that's the PE they are selling to you in S4.5. Trailing 12 months PE is 10.75. TTM PE is the norm. If you want to use forward PE, could be even lower since alot of glove companies expanding this year. If you want to use Trailing 9 months + FY2020Q4E, the PE will also be lower than TTM PE because the final 3 months alot of Capex activities by glove manufacturers toook my bad, i treated the 9-months result as a full year. So i apply the annualised Audited FPE2020's EPS of 0.95sen, the PE would still be around 15.7 times and it's not 12 times. This is an audited figure, cannot ignore it. unless you tell me their final 3-months can achieve supernormal result then ya, your PE would be around 12 times. This post has been edited by Solar Calendar: Mar 17 2021, 02:05 PM |
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Mar 17 2021, 02:43 PM
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 17 2021, 02:31 PM) i am not using forward PE. Then TTM PE should be used. And it is 10.75. There is no such thing as annualised PE.i am using the audited FPE2020 figure. i am not plucking the figures from nowhere to form my view of its FYE2021 or FYE2022. it is also find if you want to say it's trailing + Q4E figure. This Q4 by right should be out by now in accordance to the LR. Could be due to covid relief measure. |
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Mar 17 2021, 04:08 PM
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 17 2021, 02:47 PM) is your TTM definition = Total Twelve Months? Yeah because most companies earn more on different quarters. For flexidynamite seems like the last quarter it get the most orders. So TTM/LTM is better measure than annualised earnings.i annualised the earnings Edit: I think you meant Trailing Twelve Months. Normally this is what we referred to as, LTM instead. but they meant the same. In any case, the fact that the IPO price is 20 cents, this will definitely be goreng'ed on the IPO day. Good luck everyone. This post has been edited by Solar Calendar: Mar 17 2021, 04:08 PM |
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Mar 17 2021, 05:17 PM
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Oversubscription rate will at least be 60 or higher. Mark my words. Most likely you won't be to get.
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Mar 17 2021, 05:29 PM
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Mar 17 2021, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 17 2021, 06:04 PM) no such thing as which is better, valuation is not a science, there is no right or wrong. It is not about what is better. It is about reflecting the facts. If you don't have information to forecast the final quarter, you should use the TTM PE.your statement that this company get the most orders in the last quarter is not accurate too. Section 6.9 was extracted from the Prospectus as below for your easy reference: 6.9 SEASONAL OR CYCLICAL EFFECTS Our operations are not significantly affected by seasonal/cyclical effects as our products and services are mainly provided to glove manufacturers and glove-dipping line manufacturers, and these manufacturers generally operate throughout the year, albeit marginal slowdowns during festive periods due to higher number of workforce going on leave for festive celebration. Nevertheless, the impact of the marginal slowdown is not significant to our Group. based on the above disclosure, the company does not have seasonality, in fact production might drop a bit (marginal slowdown) during festive season (like Christmas) like what you mentioned, during the last quarter of the year. Also, annualising a 3 quarters results is a norm in my industry.... it's not like i am estimating 9 months' results based on 3 months' actual, but the other way round. And if you read enough reports or pay enough attention, 9 out of 10 will say their earnings is not affected by seasons. But their quarterly earnings will always be lopsided. That is how business is. And they will definitely gain more orders in 2020 than in 2019. You may feel safer or more comfortable in using ur annualised EPS, but as an investor, the reality is more important than your feelings. |
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Mar 17 2021, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 17 2021, 05:55 PM) If my figure is wrong, and it is far below my prediction, and my initial assumptions are wrong, and I am just talking shit like SUREANGPOW, no wait, what am I talking about, I won't be wrong. Yes, that's right, I am correct, and will be correct. This is not intuition or wild guess. I will be right. Absolutely rightThis post has been edited by Solar Calendar: Mar 17 2021, 07:15 PM nexona88 liked this post
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Mar 17 2021, 07:21 PM
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Mar 18 2021, 11:55 AM
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I revise my subscription rate projection from 60 to 50. Very likely it will be around 50x oversubscription. But it is possible can be way higher.
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Mar 18 2021, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 18 2021, 05:25 PM) on the first bolded, would you mind showing us on how you get your Trailing Twelve Months earnings? Q4 FY 2019 + Q1, Q2 & Q3 FY2020. Are you a student or a freshie? I do not understand how you are not able to get the TTM eps. And nothing is misrepresented in the report. And the seasonal section is very subjective, and it is not that easy to identify the exact reason for lopsided earnings. It is just how business is. We don't really have to debate much, let's just see what the Q4 result is. I would say it will be around 50% of full year earnings. If you think the order flow is consistent through the year then so be it.Either in absolute amount or EPS is fine for me, please enlighten me. On the second bolded. Did you know that any misrepresentation, false or misleading statement in ANY of the disclosure in the Prospectus can lead to the Promoters, Directors of the company going to jail? To certain extend, the advisors, due diligence solicitors, RA, IMR (collectively, referred to as "DDWG") will also be affected, even reprimanded, licence be revoked, fined, if they are not being sentenced to jail, the DDWG will have to rely on the DDPM framework set up and the minutes as their last line of defence to defend themselves that EVERY DISCLOSURE in the Prospectus was TRUE and NOT misleading. If there's any complaint made to the SC, SC can still pull a last minute handbrake and the listing may not as scheduled. Maybe you're not from the investment banking nor did any corporate finance work, so I can't blame you. This post has been edited by Solar Calendar: Mar 18 2021, 06:03 PM |
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Mar 18 2021, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 18 2021, 07:28 PM) lol okay then, i also hope that i am a student or a freshie. There was no misleading statement. I doubt you have even dealt with corporate reports. Quite rudimentary understanding on your part.misleading statement may be viewed to construed as misrepresentation. Every single disclosure in the prospectus MUST BE FACTUAL and VERIFIED, forward looking statement in nature are all refrained from being used, let alone forming part of the disclosure in any part of the prospectus (including the one you deemed as subjective). Nvm. I rest my case. |
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Mar 18 2021, 10:42 PM
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Dear Friday, pls give me one more reason to live. Don't let me go.
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Mar 19 2021, 03:57 PM
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Mar 19 2021, 04:01 PM
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Mar 19 2021, 05:23 PM
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Mar 19 2021, 05:25 PM
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Mar 19 2021, 07:17 PM
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