Toyota CEO Is Just a employee taking salary , so he wont take risk and make mistake. he will play safe untill the company gone . like nokia

This post has been edited by NormalName: Feb 13 2021, 07:19 AM

Toyoda same je macam Sony

Sony still got camera & PS5 . doyoda is goona be like baby yoda sitting there doing nothing

Until electric car become affordable and mainstream. People will still buy toyota coz cheap and reliable.

people still forgotten that prius is one of the earliest mass produced part electric running car that is freaking reliable

if new unit sellling 35k myr yup is a bargain .

404 freaking reliable not found.
ur reliability report based on?

Cheap 404. Reliable 404
You must be boomer.

Isis suka hilux

Bye bye japanese car. Future is china car, see the EV company investment there.

majority prius owners in the usa surpassed 200k miles without major issues, some 300k miles without major issues.

This post has been edited by terradrive: Feb 13 2021, 08:48 AM

so buy H cars from now on?

Toyota build reliable cars

Unless your Tesla or whatsoever China car uses as reliable and common and cheap parts like Denso.
As reliable and common transmission as Aisin.
Build as much distribution center and service center as Toyota worldwide.
No way anyone can beat Toyota.

Those say Prius not reliable, you go to see how many Prius are sold and running worldwide.

I checked. Most of Tesla 'profit' is not from car sale but carbon emission credit sale.


Tesla’s fastest-growing business isn’t putting owners in its Model S and Model 3. It’s selling environmental credits that enable its SUV- and truckmaking rivals to avoid big emissions fines.

That sumptuous stream of earnings—accounting for all of Tesla’s operating profits in the first half of 2020, by Fortune’s estimate—has probably peaked, and will begin a long slide before pretty much vanishing in a few years.
https://fortune.com/2020/09/30/tesla-profit...dits-elon-musk/

Behind Tesla’s Profits

Tesla published Q2 2020 results on Wednesday, posting a net income of $104 million - well ahead of consensus estimates that projected a small loss. So how did Tesla manage to beat expectations by such a wide margin? Soaring regulatory credit sales were the primary reason.

The sale of regulatory credits rose to around $428 million in Q2, up from about $354 million in Q1 and just $111 million in Q2 2019. As these credits are almost pure profit (Tesla probably incurs no direct expenses to earn them), the company would very likely have reported a loss on a GAAP basis, if it didn’t recognize these revenues.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculati...teslas-profits/

This post has been edited by Phoenix_KL: Feb 13 2021, 08:57 AM

Toyota is betting on hydrogen car but not sure that will take off or not.

Alt energies require support from local government lah.

Pushing for it alone won’t next you anywhere without local government’s support.

Stupid TS pls use ir brain ok? Proton after so long stoll here and why do u think toyota will be gone?

Japanese government has been supporting it for a number of years. They are using Toyota Mirai as official cars.

I mean across many countries.

Getting supports from a single or two countries won’t help you take off a new tech that rely on alternative and non-conventional energy, except maybe the push started in a country as big as China.

Tell that to Hilux owners. From palm oil plantations to armed rebels to Arctic Circle.

Hyundai ke arah besar with their new electric car platform. Gonna be like tamiya car soon, modular and change whichever you like

But but unker skotty klamer says toyoda is the best super quality car ever

That’s what aNokia think about smartphone probably

company that focus on 1 specific segment of car will ultimately fail if u ask me

toyota have all the resources to transition to whatever kind of car that will be "in trend"
for example....toyota can do petrol, diesel, fuel cell, electric, hybrid
tesla can't should electric isn't really the future

I still don't believe ev will take over, not in the next decade. For Malaysia at least. We gonna import all these with huge tax, charging it will be a problem. Can u imagine when u drive a tesla balik Kampung in RnR station u have wait everyone turns to charge for 30mins?

General public drives their myvi to their bones. Which is about 10 to 13 years. With fuel being cheap relative to other countries, I'm a nay sayer

last i check tesla car rank shitbrix on reliability list

Didn't watch the video. But you would be a fool to brush of toyota just coz their focus is not on ev.

Their LCD panel will fail by the fifth year
Kena sue by US consumer already

Sony?
Their Camera/Lenses/PS5 doing superwell.
My TV only buy from Sony. Mati mati not gonna buy samseng.
Sony Pictures pun sterong.

Toyota x reliable?
Ko ni biarlah betul..tgh layan ketum ke

But fail to change it further to fully EV. It just stop there.

People think it’s easy to incorporate new electronic techs in cars. They don’t realise carmakers have to put everything in very harsh conditions to test for reliability.

kahkah bodo said toyota not reliable based on what? by just looking in this country alone?

mf thinks malaysia is the only country in the world issit

Prefer my old school analogue meter at my ikan keli vios

This post has been edited by Daylight2018: Feb 13 2021, 09:58 AM

toyota corolla is the definition of car reliability

tengok local pon tau. ada h ada amoi awek.

Yep

Actually i am more interested in allowing old cars to be converted to electric.

Totally agree..
When EV car are affordable, and Petrol car are not sufficient to uses because of petrol price keep rasing, then of course Toyota or many car maker will doom if they don't change according environment needs.

Tesla is actually a scam company being propped up by cheap capital and SJW tree huggers.

Do u know Toyota sells more cars in Asia excluding japan and china alone than Tesla in the entire world?

Heck just Toyota pickup truck segment alone outsells all electric vehicles

Dude..... i own a 45 year old Corolla. The people that maintains it all retired already and the car is still running.

Try VIOS. No 1 seller for Toyota in Malaysia

This post has been edited by NB01: Feb 13 2021, 10:17 AM

Terrorists loved them too

When Nokia slowly lost market share, everyone said the same thing about apple. That it was just a fad, until one day, they were left wondering what the hell happened and why didn't they respond quickly.

We are watching the exact same recurring event today. Probably more pronounced in Msia due to the protectionist policies to favour oil.

EV is already inevitable. ICE will be a relic of the past. It just makes no sense to keep an iCE car. Both financially, performance, environmentally, maintenance. Just like how it makes no sense to use a nokia 3310 today except for nostalgic purposes.

Is Vios the only Toyota model?

Vios number is rookie compared to Hilux. Over 17.7 million Hilux sold globally.

https://global.toyota/en/mobility/toyota-br...ry/numbers.html

This post has been edited by KineticKill: Feb 13 2021, 10:30 AM

Not really. They did venture into smartphones but their Symbian OS was a pain to program and not very stable. I worked on it for a while and it wasn't fun. Poor documentation and can hardly find any information online. Even their examples couldn't work sometimes. No wonder they got surpassed by Android and iOS.

Tesla is not the biggest car manufacturer by volume. It is just their valuation. Toyota consistently top 3 in market volume. So it is still way far to beat Toyota in shear volume alone.

Which part of best seller you can't understand?

Which part of Toyota you don’t understand?

TOYOTA. We’re talking about the entire company and its products. Why are you only looking at Vios?

when new form of transportation overtake

like apple sapu blackberry and nokia

Avanza and Innova also damn reliable.

Heck Estima also super reliable. Can see many 15 years old estima on the road 3rd 4th owner no problem.

Toyota cars are so nice and easy to drive . Yaris GR selling at 300k also can sold out

Yet a Kia Stinger selling at 270k can barely sell 5 units

Hyundai i30N priced at 300k cant even sell 1 unit

Thats the difference. Toyota the worlds Most reliable car ever

This post has been edited by kevin23: Feb 13 2021, 10:37 AM

Shhh...cannot say Toyota is reliable. Later some people will call you boomer.

It will be a slow decline, like watching paint dry in 10 years. They might just end up being a niche carmaker if they do not pivot soon. Making an EV is completely different from making an ICE car, the toolings, technical know how, material requirements are all incompatible.

Its ok, sales figures dont lie. People do

Tesla is not a car company.

Behind Tesla’s Profits

Soaring Emission Credit Sales Drive Tesla’s Q2 Beat

Tesla published Q2 2020 results on Wednesday, posting a net income of $104 million - well ahead of consensus estimates that projected a small loss. So how did Tesla manage to beat expectations by such a wide margin? Soaring regulatory credit sales were the primary reason.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculati...sh=7ea18ffb93e6

the funny thing is, toyota is one of the pioneers with their Prius

but they never really went far from thereon.

just like Kodak started the digital camera age but was surpassed by Nikon and Canon.

Wrong comparison. Apple was already major electronic player for years with Macbooks, iPod and other devices so they had existing relationships with manufacturers, good marketing knowledge, retail distributors and good software.

This is more like Google building smartphone trying to compete with Samsung (Toyota) that is market leader.

Only banking on niche product (electric car and pixel camera)
Limited distribution and model range (Samsung got 1000 models like Toyota Google only got 3)
No resale value

Just an overhyped fanboy product.

U are right it's not a car company.

Ponzi scheme is not a car company.

Just like u can't call dogecoin and asset

Yeah a lot phone manufacturer still rely on sony camera sensor.

Yes EV is inevitable. But not so soon. Probably 20 years time till it becomes mainstream . The battery technology is still not there yet. Heck, even smartphones batteries are still using old tech. Just the size getting bigger.

EV cars have limited range. Petrol cars u just top up fuel less than 5 mins u can jalan. EV cars u out of batt, u need to charge few hours. Wait there like sohai.

EV cars are a huge fire risk. If any accident were to occur, the batteries could catch fire easily especially in hot Malaysian weather, besides the batteries would degrade faster as well

Flying car ah


You got license to fly?

It's not cheap over here and Singapore. But it is in other western countries.

In terms of reliability, it is way more reliable than conti's hybrid cars and battery replacement is not as expensive as well. Same goes to Honda. You can read from various owners' review on forums or wherever it is. My neighbourhood has few Priuses and Prius C. All of them are still using it until today. Which is close to 10 years of ownership already.

Setting Lexus aside, the only drawback is that those Japanese's can't offer the luxury you get in conti's.

Toyota still stuck in the past with their old school interiors.

after years of playing with cars

never associate cars today with reliability anymore
don't bring that 90s mentality to today, they don't make them like that anymore
that's point no.1
point no.2, toyota no matter how reliable people say it, they don't make their own parts...all parts are manufactured by 3rd party huge manufacturer
car manufacturer today is just an assembler only
point no.3 a lot of those very good part back in 90s are now replaced with plastics and rubber which will degrade through time
which is why i always say cars today are built to have a lifespan of around 9-10 years before problem will start emerging

cars today, how reliable u want it to be really depends on how u take care of it
u service it accordingly and chance the parts accordingly...even the most unreliable brand also can be quite reliable
but if u don't even change the oil, even toyota engine will fail u prematurely

point no.4 cars today are full of electronics inside which will increase it's chance of failure and u can't even fix it like last time anymore, u need to change the whole system should it fail

they jes wanna save face mati2 dunwan admit made bad decision

/ktard barely makes it to the end of month judging an international company ceo. Damn impressed

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35471992...ehicles-coming/


bye bye conjob company Tesla

I dont think EV will ever become mainstream. Personally I think in order for cars to become mainstream, you'll need to become open. Companies are registering patents here and there, it will become a rights to fix problem in near future.

This refusal to provide parts and rights to fix your car outside is what will condemn EV. That's why EV can only become a fleet like taxi or trailer so that they can keep them under their control. Consumer wise, nah. It's cool but there's still a long way to go before it will ever become mainstream.

the contexts is on priuses. not on some old toyota which is known for reliability.

meanwhile i got many inquiries asking for prius spare part and decided to sell the car instead of repairing them LOLLLLL

"We didn't do anything wrong, but somehow we lost" - Nokia CEO in tears

Keyword: PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE

Thank you kapitalists

Since 1985 til 2020 4speed AT lol

My bro owns a prius C and I can confirm that reliability for this car is down the drain.

doyoda will promote hydrogen like nokia will go for window XD yup doing nothing wrong just being special

Why people don't understand that Toyota isn't a car company, it is a conglomerate, it owns Denso for car parts and Aisin for transmission.
What difference that is, even Mercedes Daimler only JV with Robert Bosch only.

Hybrid car having almost zero 2nd value best car in value in malaysia are still petrol car in next 10-15 years

retail price are around 35k when prius existed in malaysia. but how many it become after taxed? japanese cars are always the bargain everywhere except malaysia.

Honda >-toyota

Why you compare a EV with ICE car?

And Tesla is just a beginning startup. But they already a leader in EV.

Toyota if don’t change fast enough, they will probably will trap in ICE car and close shop in 10yrs time.

Toyota probably don’t have the EV technology.

Err... Both are car manufacturer, yes?

They do have EV tech. They have a collaboration with BYD from China. They will be unveiling their solid state battery tech soon.

So they have the tech. It is the willingness of their old mindset to change that people want to see now.

I'm on team Tesla btw.. But really don't take anything away from old tech car manufacturers. VW group is coming out good nowadays.

1 is just start up company. And another is already 80yrs of well establish car maker?

And it is different type of car. EV and ice. How does you compare? Even in qty?

The collaboration is in what? Toyota provide the car mechanical tech or just the share? You know BYD is battery manufacturing. Not Toyota.

Toyota is leader in car manufacturing that make them hard to follow the change. Cause they are “leader”. Suppose other follow them to use hydrogen cell.

Why I said Toyota maybe don’t have the EV tech. Do you know why Kodak had problem change to digital photography? When they are the leader money rich in film photography. Instead taken over by the non tradition photography manufacturing like Sony and Panasonic.

Tesla is at beginning and not yet ramp up in full throttle. How many factory they are building now? Battery factory? New die cast tech? Etc..

VW also have to drastic and come out big budget to change to EV. They know they will fall behind if don’t change now.

hahhahahahhaha .....

Dude, do you even watch the video ts posted?

It literally said toyota has 6 EV models coming in the next 5 years.

What topkek you tok kok

toyota still top brand on petrol car,.. no scared ,..

yes, same like Kodak, they invented digital camera back in 1975

unfortunately they didnt focused on digital camera. they didnt ignore it but dont give full attention either

really underestimate it. blind optimism at its best.

This post has been edited by JimbeamofNRT: Feb 13 2021, 11:31 PM

2020

1) Toyota - 8,692,168 units
39) Tesla - 499,550 units

this is so true.... Most would rather focus on short term gain so they will be eligible for big bonus at the end of the year... why bother with long term project when it is only going to be reaped by their successor….

This post has been edited by zacx: Feb 14 2021, 12:15 AM

Toyota > all

yup those who gonna retired soon on toyota sure no scared

Comeback next 5yrs.

Tesla next 5yrs, their car rocket to moon already.

Actually is it not Kodak don’t try to change.

Kodak film tech is about chemical tech. They are strong in chemical film technology. They have the best chemical engineer.

But then, digital tech is about electronic tech. And it is not Kodak specialist. You can’t ask chemistry to become electronic engineer.

So Kodak start to loose to Sony and Panasonic in digital imaging. Even through Kodak try very hard to change.

So do ICE car maker. What engineer they hire? ICE is about combustion engine. And EV is about electrical/electronic and software engineering.

Can the ICE car maker find fast enough a bunch of such new engineer to start the EV?

tesla's real business.

Tesla's dirty little secret: Its net profit doesn't come from selling cars

New York (CNN Business)Tesla posted its first full year of net income in 2020 -- but not because of sales to its customers.
Eleven states require automakers sell a certain percentage of zero-emissions vehicles by 2025. If they can't, the automakers have to buy regulatory credits from another automaker that meets those requirements -- such as Tesla, which exclusively sells electric cars.

It's a lucrative business for Tesla -- bringing in $3.3 billion over the course of the last five years, nearly half of that in 2020 alone.
The $1.6 billion in regulatory credits it received last year far outweighed Tesla's net income of $721 million -- meaning Tesla would have otherwise posted a net loss in 2020.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/31/investin...lity/index.html

lol

u should see this doc from the inventor himself

jumped to 5:04



basically the management resist the change until it is too late, even from the internal presentation back in 1976

"The biggest mistake Kodak made was keeping the digital camera out of the market place. They should have patent the hell out of every aspect of it. Then forged on to digital motion picture film scanners and educate the masses that not all new developments are advancements. The only reason digital film technology has been embraced so aggressively is because of low cost and convenience, not better quality still or motion picture images. The EPA was also up Kodak's asses about pollution. "

+1
Typical well organized corp but they are just are a cog in a Japanese corporate wheel