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Full Time Stock Trader - Tax info, Advise from a tax lawyer friend
Full Time Stock Trader - Tax info, Advise from a tax lawyer friend
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Mar 9 2021, 08:17 PM
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Mar 9 2021, 08:30 PM
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Mar 9 2021, 08:32 PM
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QUOTE(limsmart @ Mar 9 2021, 08:30 PM) Besides stocks trading, what about cryptocurrency trading's profit? Does it fall under the same category? Active Cryptocurrency Traders Are Required To Declare Their Gains For Income Taxhttps://ringgitplus.com/en/blog/income-tax/...income-tax.html https://themalaysianreserve.com/2021/01/05/...ared-from-lhdn/ |
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Aug 20 2021, 08:35 AM
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Aug 20 2021, 09:42 AM
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QUOTE(frozendreamsky @ Aug 20 2021, 08:35 AM) Really appreciate you sharing the information. If you wanted just for that purposes, any idea of the tax rate differential, other cost n what other extra statutory work required to maintain a sole proprietorship vs a sdn bhd vs just a submission thru BE form?For those of you full-time traders, is it possible to setup a sdn bhd to report taxes or most of you guys just register sole proprietorship? What do you put for your job position and job nature when registering the business? This post has been edited by MUM: Aug 20 2021, 09:50 AM |
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Aug 20 2021, 12:02 PM
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Aug 20 2021, 01:06 PM
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QUOTE(frozendreamsky @ Aug 20 2021, 12:02 PM) I think below RM100,000 it makes more sense to get a sole proprietorship, however my annual chargeable income already far exceeds that amount, so sdn bhd has lower tax rate. Sdn bhd is only a few thousands to maintain annually and easier to apply for loan from banks, which is the main purpose why I want to report my profits for taxes. Read post 1.....i think it had those infoTo be more specific, for a crypto full time trader/investor, can we even setup a sdn bhd? |
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Oct 9 2021, 09:52 AM
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QUOTE 4. How will my income from trading be taxed? Do I use the numbers from tax statements given by the broker? Following up on this 4th point, I reckon when we are not applying for loan, we can just withdraw the min. amount of expenses monthly from brokerage account to our bank account, so as to pay the min. tax to LHDN.For your income to be taxed, you need to show funds in the bank account. As long as the money is in the brokerage account, it won't be taxed as there are no incoming transactions. You can make RM1 million realized gains (sold for profit) but if you never transferred it to your bank account, what will you show to the taxman? And when we would like to apply for loan, we simply up the withdrawal amount and match the to be reported annual income (or annual withdrawal amount) to the loan amount desired accordingly. (eg. maintain below 40% DSR monthly) What do you think of this? |
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Oct 9 2021, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE(hztan97 @ Oct 9 2021, 09:52 AM) Following up on this 4th point, I reckon when we are not applying for loan, we can just withdraw the min. amount of expenses monthly from brokerage account to our bank account, so as to pay the min. tax to LHDN. Just my guesses.And when we would like to apply for loan, we simply up the withdrawal amount and match the to be reported annual income (or annual withdrawal amount) to the loan amount desired accordingly. (eg. maintain below 40% DSR monthly) What do you think of this? If I am the loan officer, by just looking at Yr money transferred from Yr investment brokerage,.... How to know if you are not withdrawing Yr own invested monies but realised profits? How do I know if your luck in winning is not a one time incident but a histories of proven winning streaks that can hv the ability to service the loan repayment amount through out that loan duration? This post has been edited by MUM: Oct 9 2021, 11:21 AM |
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Oct 9 2021, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 9 2021, 10:27 AM) Just my guesses. If I am the loan officer, by just looking at Yr money transferred from Yr investment brokerage,.... How to know if you are not withdrawing Yr own invested monies but realised profits? How do I know if your luck in winning is not a one time incident but a histories of proven winning streaks that can hv the ability to service the loan repayment amount through out that loan duration? QUOTE 6. Will I have any problems applying for loans for a car or house, since I dont have monthly payslips to show? I am not sure how the loan officer will view an application of such nature.Buying a car should not be a problem - the car salesperson can usually help you "kautim" with the banker. But for a house, yes. They dont care where the money comes from but they want to know how much tax you have paid (and this is the first thing they will look at). From the tax payments, they can estimate your yearly income and if you are eligible for a loan based on other criteria (i.e credit report) Again you can have RM1million cash in your bank account but if you have never taken a loan, no credit cards, no utility bills and have clean record with Bank Negara - most probably your loan will be rejected. But referring to author's 6th point, source of income doesn't seem to matter. If this is true, a combination of below 2 points should suffice for loan application a. Income tax report with sufficient annual income for your desired loan amount b. Good credit history in loan & card repayment |
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Oct 9 2021, 12:52 PM
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QUOTE(hztan97 @ Oct 9 2021, 12:36 PM) I am not sure how the loan officer will view an application of such nature. For point A & BBut referring to author's 6th point, source of income doesn't seem to matter. If this is true, a combination of below 2 points should suffice for loan application a. Income tax report with sufficient annual income for your desired loan amount b. Good credit history in loan & card repayment I think there is a ( number of years) of income tax payment history n the amount of taxes paid same for the duration of credit history n amount of value of those credit repayments made per month to be considered too. Just my guesses too Ex: payment history is just 2 yrs,... Monthly credit repayment is just rm200 or tax history is just 2 yrs n taxes is just rm300 per year May not get approved for large loan amount This post has been edited by MUM: Oct 9 2021, 12:57 PM |
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Apr 22 2022, 12:17 PM
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Can intro your tax lawyer friend to handle account on profit derived from forex trading ? 😄👍🏼
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Apr 22 2022, 12:24 PM
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Nice write up... #cryptotax
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