Sunny Morning Sleep-In offers higher EM than Sac Frag though, and considering Mizuki doesn't experience as many diminishing returns as standard EM units, I think every 100 points of EM counts. Her baseline EM, when maxed out, and assuming you have decent rolls on substat places her final EM at approx 900-1100 EM, this is taking her PHEC passive/Ascension stat into account.

You could go for her weapon to hedge since it'll help Sucrose too, but only if you have any care for EM playstyles. But yeah, just get Mizuki on anni and lose enough 50-50s to get her cons. Seems like lots of players consider her a sidegrade to Sucrose or a possible downgrade. I think she's a downgrade in the regard that players prefer EM units to buff, which Mizuki doesn't.

This post has been edited by MerryGoRound^2: Feb 13 2025, 01:03 PM

If you like Mizuki and care for her performance yet lack sufficient primos --> Get signature and call it a day.
If you like Mizuki, don't care for her performance yet lack sufficient primos --> Don't roll for signature and call it a day
If you like Mizuki, care for her performance, have sufficient primos --> Roll C0 and R1
If you like Mizuki, care for her performance, have enough primo for one --> R1
If you like Mizuki, don't care about her performance, have enough primo for one --> C0 + 4* wep with EM substate, most notably Sac Frag R5
If you like Mizuki, care about her performance, lack sufficient primo, don't care about FOMO --> Anni selector, C0 Mizuki, 5.5 induction into standard banner go roll, pray your 50-50s are lost to Mizuki
If you don't like Mizuki, care about her performance, have or lack sufficient primo --> Roll R1 Siggy, Make do with 4* wep, then selector go for her

TL;DR - If you enjoy the swirl meta, desire something off-meta because like most of us who have been rotting since Natlan dropped and no longer care for meta stuff, pull R1, then anni selector just choose her. If you have standard banner rolls, test your luck there. Weapon should be rarer, though not more valuable if you don't care for her numbers, and will probably only see reruns via chronicled once it phases out.

5.5 like Oblah said.

I'll probably put in 4-5 years worth of standard fates saved into the standard banner for her too.

Man, I'm embarrassed to say 5.5 is the straw that broke the camel's back for me KEKW.

I'm trying really hard to commit to the game, but at this point, I see 5.5's expansion plus the event and I can't be eff-ed to complete it. I probably will speedrun everything next week or so, but I think I'm really burning out on the game.

Ya'll seen the Escouffier leaks already? Cryo sub dps + support + debuffer + healer bundled into one. They essentially made her the cryo Kazuha/Nilou/Kokomi with Freeze reaction restriction, Genshin must be gearing up for Freeze meta come Snezhnaya.

Wew. With Skirk drip marketing out and the story nearing it's penultimate chapter with Natlan, I'm more inclined to return.

A little glad I accidentally skipped Escoffier and no longer need to plan for Skirk, or go for the latter without feeling pressured to metaproof my investments. This leaked character, if true, speaks more to me.






Said character functions like Nilou without the restrictions. Looks like Hoyo is learning from its mistakes for team comp restriction. Honestly though, I think it's simply a matter of, if you run X/X/X members of a specific element, you get Y/Y/Y buffs, and if you don't, you're not penalized, which is more or less the same, because you won't get to play the character at optimal levels. Semantics matter.

SO. TEMPTED. TO. C6. SUKIRKU. OUTTA NOWHERE.

But no Nescafeeee.

Hello Genshin, I am back after a year plus of shitty Natlan content.

I feel you. The moment Nod Krai cycled back into the picture, my attention was all on Genshin.
ZZZ storyline has been a letdown since 2.0, and the writing is atrocious. I won't lie, my interest toward the game has been waning outside character progression. combat and endgame content.
I didn't think it was possible to rediscover immersion in Genshin post-Natlan, I was wrong. And I doubt I've ever experienced this much interest in exploring Genshin landscapes since Fontaine.
Characters and plot lines are well-written, they started integrating character story quests into Archon Quests, and left the rest in the form of Chronicle Meets or whatever.

None of that nonsense with a flying bike, levitating revolfle, pillow or whatever bs Natlan had going during its runtime. No generic friendship will save the day moment too. Even Columbina as the "archon" of Nod Krai felt more compelling and intriguing compared to our flamehead. Best part of all is you're not penalized for not running Phlogiston-powered units during exploration. I'm seeing a lot more veterans return for Nod Krai too.

For the very first time since Fontaine, I've listened to every line and dialogue between characters, let Genshin in the background as I napped to Hiisi Island's OST. Also 100% the entire Nod Krai 3 days into its release.

To add, Nefer does not rely on the regular Bloom reaction deal damage. Meaning when she's on the team, all dendro cores exist for Nefer to covert into Lunar Bloom to deal the bulk of her damage. Lauma is the lynchpin between two very distinct playstyles via Nilou and Nefer. I'd say it's wiser to invest in Lauma > Nefer.

Definitely QoL improvements with Nod Krai. Genshin devs realized how much they fucked up through Natlan and how it's pushing away older players.

This might interest you if you're keeping Nefer on your watchlist.



Been spending the long weekend diving into Genshin TC to bring myself up to speed. Heartbreaking to see how someone like Clorinde has fallen off the meta hard. Still good but Varessa has powercrept her and she's no longer top 10 in speedrunning scenes, even on Stygian, you feel the damage dropoff and lowered clear time. Clorinde's top DPS ceiling team is Overload backed by Mavuika, Chevreuse, and C6 Sara/Iansan, the latter of the two preferred. Point being, if you don't have Nahida, most TC folks would say you're better off skipping her entirely in 2025 and beyond. Apparently, Nahida is so bad now that Lauma is out and an upgrade over her at C0.

Lauma's constellations are simply QoL improvements intended to streamline your experiences. Meanwhile, Nahida continues to suffer due to the amount of multiwave in and out of endgame content. I specifically cited Clorinde as an example, as her top-performing team during release was Aggravate, with Nahida playing the premier dendro support, and Fischl + Kazuha in tow. Then the Natlan meta arrived, and people shifted in favor of Xilonen over Kazuha, and Fischl was phased out in favor of C2 Furina for speedrunning content. Now, even Quickbloom Clorinde is less favored over Overload. Mavuika's arrival genuinely shook the game up to the point Genshin devs severely fucked up the game from a balancing standpoint, which would explain the release of consolidated units such as Escoffier, Ineffa, now Lauma to prop underperforming elements such as Freeze, Bloom, or Electrocharged, all of which sorta fell off after Fontaine or saw brief popularity before returning to the vault. Only prominent one was Bloom in which Nilou Bloom comps dominated the entirety of Sumeru before it started falling off entering Fontaine.

Outside the whole Clorinde discussion, Nahida just isn't widely regarded as a premium unit anymore. With several reruns since her debut and having outlived her legacy, most people acknowledge her contributions during her release and simply let it sit. Also, where dendro reactions are concerned, the Quicken, Spread, Aggravate tree is suffering, hence Electro DPS units like Cyno and Sethos have likewise fallen off. Raiden is somewhat limited by her age, but is seeing a modicum of saving grace with Lauma's release and her ability to run EM Hyperbloom. That's a case of Hyperbloom being too good.

It's a shame to see how Genshin devs have foregone their philosophy of preventing regular units from outperforming archons in their respective elements, but I guess it's the horrible cycle of Gacha, or maybe they just messed things up so hard in Natlan that they're now trying to undo their mistakes patch after patch. They know Natlan was a mess, otherwise, they wouldn't be rolling out big names like Varka, Alice, Columbina, Nicole, or Durin as playabale units in Nod Krai, whatwith their whole spiel of making transformative reaction (Bloom, EC) the core focus in gameplay.

To circle back to Nefer, the point I'm trying to establish is be mindful committing to Nefer if her lack of AoE is a thing. Again, it seems like Lauma is lynchpin between Nilou and Nefer. If Nefer has little to no AoE available, she's widely relegated to ST roles only, the Abyss, IT, and Stygian Onslaught would shift to accommodate her for a patch or so, before phasing out again. At best, you might wanna skip her if regular bloom has served you well.

I believe you might have missed the points I was trying to establish as I wasn't clear enough. To clarify...

Varesa is considered the top electro DPS due to her ability to run cost-efficient units to stat check endgame content. Currently, she performs very well with 4-star units such as Chevy, Iansan and Benny. Also Phogiston buff via 4pc Scrolls is very impactful, thus elevating the unit's overall DPS compared to her other electro peers. With premium units, the ceiling rises.

I wouldn't go as far as to say Lauma is a Nahida replacement, that being said, she does everything that Nahida does whilst circumventing her pain points to the point you could run Lauma and be done with it. Yes, you could still get by with endgame content using Nahida. However, if you're looking to compete in terms of speedruns and clear time, Lauma comes out on top of Nahida in personal performance. More often than not however, the two are paired together. The point I was trying to make about Nahida is she's an incredibly sufficient unit, but lags behind given most endgame content favor multiwave. This is and always has been an issue for Nahida. If you've gotten by with C0 Nahida since her release, gunning for her cons is no longer a priority with Lauma's arrival. What makes Lauma's dendro application so much more valuable over Nahida's is that it follows the users and doesn't necessitate swapping in Nahida to reapply her dendro marks. It is undisputed that Nahida possesses the shortest dendro ICD however...

As for Fishcl, I'm assuming this was in response to Clorinde's speedrun comp. Nothing to do with the unit itself. Fischl is still the best off-field electro unit for applying electro. While folks like Yae Miko and Ororon are competitive, they address specific niches. It's much more of an Aggravate issue and not so much Fischl, and even so, can be circumvented via specific builds. Kazuha is still Kazuha, valuable. But Xilonen providing all that buff/shred without demanding egregious set up time puts her ahead in certain time comps unless you're running Taser comps which necessitates anemo units, in which case - Hey Kazuha. Assume we get an Aggravate Escoffier, Aggravate might be competitive for certain electro DPSes again.

Genuinely, it has nothing to do with pursuing cons or signature weapons, more so the unit designs moving forward. I don't really think there's a need to shame any players who go for cons or sigs for their beloved units, which is something I've noticed certain folks in this thread like to angle their argument toward to favor their F2P approach. Engame content like Stygian fundamentally rewards whales at Dire/Perilous difficulties, while modes like Theater reward horizontal investments. Abyss is a bit of both, depending on its seasons. Then again, I'm coming from a speedrun/competitive angle. A team that outputs 3mil damage to clear bosses in 30s > a team that outputs 4mil damage to clear bosses in 35s. By that point, it's not damage numbers that do the talking but clear speed. And clear speed at higher investments are no longer just about damage, but debuff, utility, and the ability to cheat the game's mechanics to a certain extent.

In short, I'm simply cautioning considering Nefer via the examples above and in consideration of her lack of AoE, which is an intended design flaw per Genshin's recent balance philosophy.

I understand your point, however, I think the whole mindset that going for cons and sigs and shaming the move needs to die, as it genuinely isn't about cons or sigs.

I dare say part of the thrill this game boasts comes from leveling characters and elevating progression. There is no fault in enjoying the game casually, however it helps to understand where Genshin is going with its balance philosophy as it would eventually trickle down to casual players as well.

I'm specifically invested in the Natlan discussion as there is a large consensus amongst the playerbase, be it casual or competitive players, that things went to hell with this region in particular. Balancing was great up till Fontaine, and when the devs ran outta ideas to elevate the skill/damage ceiling, they did the despicable and overloaded Natlan units with buffs, utility above damage, then again with Natlan 4pc scrolls. The most dangerous thing you can do with game balancing above increasing damage is increasing utility, which is what all Natlan supports somehow got, which is nigh idiotic imo.

Again, it's one of the largest contributing reasons we're even discussing Lauma vs. Nahida in that regard, and how that would affect your plans to pull for Nefer. I don't see Nod-krai shaping up to be the next region that raises the damage ceiling, instead, it'll be the region to fix the bs Genshin devs committed in Natlan. I guess we'll know which reactions are the devs' lovechild come Snezhnaya or the final region. But either way, I'm a Natlan hater and proud of it LOL.

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Edit: Responded to the wrong person lmao.

This post has been edited by MerryGoRound^2: Sep 20 2025, 07:12 PM