It's quite a long bit to break down but to simplify in the shortest sense possible...

Clorinde's gameplay is affected by the coding in her BoL and ping latency issues. Whereas Arlecchino starts off with a full stack of BoL and expends it over time, Clorinde needs to build Bond of Life stacks to access her stronger abilities.
Due to the way Clorinde's BoL works, the coding is such that when you have ping above 150ms, building full BoL stack and pressing E won't trigger her LV3 E. Which means players are punished for playing her optimally at high ping. The coding works in two parts - One, your BoL stack is registered on client side. Two, the command is registered at server side. High ping disrupts the server's ability to process this coding in time, which means the command comes out later. And under high ping, this means you will never trigger Clorinde's LV3 stab.

Meanwhile, in Arle's case, she gets to hold onto her BoL stacks the higher the ping, which means free damage, because the server depletes the BoL later.

In other news, Clorinde's infusion duration getting lowered from 9s --> 7.5s hurt her, so you're playing a very mobile character with tight damage window, that's basically the best I can summarize it.

Oooh, one last thing, C6 Clorinde players won't proc all her C6 effect also, caused by the 3 issues above. Unfortunately, because very little people in the CN community care about her, it's unlikely Hoyo will address these changes. Neuvilette was a different case because CN players are meta slaves, so it makes sense that they would cause an uproar when Hoyo decided to nerf the game's best DPS insofar.

Yeah, but I think the issue runs deeper than that la, there's a bit of technicality and QC nuance involved, and it's unfair to punish players. In a way, it kinda tells Hoyo didn't do a good job QC-ing 4.7 releases because they only did 3 weeks of beta testing instead of 4. The other 2 weeks are always marketing and promotional activities.

Unsurprisingly, I think Clorinde being an EC character with Sigewinne being her dedicated support was kinda real, but things may have been changed down the development pipeline. My guess is with Arlecchino being a Bond of Life character, and her being such a hyped-up character, Hoyo HAD to dedicate a domain and artifact set to her, but Hoyo usually follows the rule one damage and support set with every new artifact domain. Clorinde being conceptualized as a EC dps instead of a BoL DPS would have screwed with Hoyo's artifact design plans, so... there's a chance they repurposed her into BoL DPS as well. Of course, all this is speculation.

But kesian Sigewinne, that character really got the shortest stick in Genshin beta testing history ever.

I don't think Bond of Life is here to stay because Natlan leaks point toward a new mechanic called Night Spirit. I don't regret C6R5-ing Clorinde but man did the excitement fizzle up, hence my focus on ZZZ also. It kinda feels like with Hoyo releasing HSR and ZZZ, and Genshin nearing its penultimate patch, they're slowly moving resources away. Even Natlan graphics and designs feels a little different. I only know that Mualani female hydro catalyst is broken AF at C0 because she's a Vape DPS.

Oh yes, Raiden dropping in 5.0 is a massive surprise. Either Hoyo is looking to retire her into the chronicled banner, or there is a switch in Archon re-run orders. Because Raiden ALWAYS drops X.3 patches and Nahida follows suit in X.4. Makes you wonder if Nahida is succeeding Raiden in 5.1.

As for Yelan and Mualani, take it from someone who C6R5-ed Clorinde, your old on-fielders still works. I got by with Nilou and Nahida comps where bountiful core works for 1.5 years. Also, this may be the last time we get Yelan as a standalone re-run before Hoyo shoves her into chronicled too. If you're looking for a competent hydro sub dps, go for Yelan. Mualani is an on-fielder, and her debuting in 5.0 means she'll likely cycle back in 5.4. But if you need a powercreep on-fielder, Mualani might be it. It's Vape, can't go wrong lol. I think Chasca is likely going to be a Melt Bow DPS too.

Going into Natlan, Hoyo has only decided to introduce one hydro 5* into their lineup, I think they're telling players they've released enough broken hydro units now and want to focus on underdog elements such as cryo and geo. One thing's for sure, Hoyo loves their Electro waifus.

For the utility that it brings... I think the Freeze reaction has always been powerful, hence Hoyo's refusal to do anything about it for 2 regions. It's a pretty good F2P reaction to leverage for abyss clearing, as long as you're not getting gimped by Coppelius. Vape and Melt reactions remain the game's hardest-hitting reaction due do their multiplier,s but the problem with it has always been the lack of consistent units outside XL to abuse it I think. And when Hoyo introduced Dendro into the mix, the crowd flocked over to that reaction system because it was consistent and decent enough despite not boasting the multipliers that both Vape and Melt had.

Folks are currently speculating Pyro Archon will be a big XL. I don't know if she will have low ICD like XL, but I doubt she will because Hoyo doesn't want to cause another powercreep situation, that said, she should likely offer more in the grander scheme of things. It also kinda ties back into your earlier question about Mualani. FYI, Mualani's ICDs are pretty high, and she only vapes once every 2.5s I believe, something to do with her own ICD, which makes her more ST than AoE. I don't know if she'll give Neuvilette a run for his money, but at C0, she's pretty bonkers. With investment and optimal gearing, she might come close to Neuv if not best him.

Definitely, I just don't see her taking XL's unique identity of being the ONLY pyro to break the game's ICD standards.

Ah yes, I read about that too lol. Something to do with the lore and all.

I'm surprised you keep up with leaks, I assumed you only entertain them when you see them. I recall one of us being so allergic to leaks, they asked goldfries to implement an anti-spoiler rule

https://genshin.hoyoverse.com/m/en-go/gift?code=2SMTYV59TLFD

https://genshin.hoyoverse.com/m/en-go/gift?code=7SMTGV59BLXH

https://genshin.hoyoverse.com/m/en-go/gift?code=8T4TGDLRA5E5

5.0 livestream happened at 12.







This post has been edited by MerryGoRound^2: Aug 16 2024, 01:35 PM

New Chapter Ignited: Blaze to Natlan! Take part in the web event to win Primogems ×100 and other rewards! https://hoyo.link/ejyjFCAL?u_code=GA8W369LAN

If anyone is willing to help with the web event. 3 draws, one of it has a 100 primogem prize.

3 draws semua langsung x dapat?

Natlan really isn't speaking to me at all lol.

Just realized Chasca is 5* anemo bow dps and not cryo. My interest is piqued though I won't be able to C6 her this cycle if her kit is good.

Still can't relate to the whole of Natlan.

Even if the below about Xilonen is true, I can't see her being broken strictly because Geo is Geo. Those numbers look inflated to make ONE Geo unit efficient.



This post has been edited by MerryGoRound^2: Aug 17 2024, 04:42 PM

C6 Jean completedddd.

Tried the trial runs for Natlan characters, all I can say is the current releases feel rather gimmicky and I fear that the subsequent releases sans Pyro Archon will follow a similar pattern. Seems like all Natlan folks have a 2-in-1 ability that doubles as a traversal.

So you deal damage while traversing across the canyon. It feels clunky and a hit-or-miss, particularly the directional controls for Kachina's little spinning top. It really does feel like Natlan is nothing more but a filler and a continuation of the main story quest before we get the real deal in Snezhnaya, obviously saying this too early, but at best, Mualani for a first release is simply reverse-Neuvi.

Strong ST, decent multiwave.

I see Genshin now and I'm like...

Guess I really burned out and went straight to ZZZ. Saw the live stream, but missed the part where we all get a free Candace lmao. Sad to see that Nahida is re-running so soon, guess I gotta delay C2/R1 plans.

Been so busy with ZZZ, that I haven't been sharing some leaks happening in the scene.

Chasca animations [Watch before 10/10, 9AM and you should be fine lol]

Poor Chasca, this unit is a massive bag of confused identitties.

Riding on a large ass gun to get around, having a vertical traversal that is pretty much pointless when you think about it, an overly convoluted kit with incredibly long-winded tooltips. A playstyle that incentivizes Swirl but gated by her hits being ST-focused.

I think the character is a unique design, but that all went out the window the moment they revealed she sits on a floating gun. I genuinely thought she was going to be Anemo Yoimiya who runs fireworks team comp to keep multiple reactions going, instead we get a Wild West Cowboy meet sci-fi moment. I get the rest of the Natlan units with their travel gimmick, Mualani with her surfboard, Kinich slinging around with a grappling hook, Kachina and her little beyblade, even the leaked Ororon animation has a more contextual form of traversal grounded in Natlan's theme, but Chasca with a BFG is what?

Hoyo writers really need to come up with a good story to detail how Chasca is riding on BFG, but I sense they'll just gloss over that and simply behave as if it's the norm kek. Inb4, people of Chasca's flower clan get around with guns.

Outside that, it's also just team comp/building issue that worries me. She wants multiple elements in a team, but doesn't need them to show on-field, except to cycle through rotations I guess. She's basically 4-elements-in-1, but to make that happen, you need to slot in other teammates. The gameplay design with this character is all over the place.

This post has been edited by MerryGoRound^2: Oct 11 2024, 01:36 PM

C2 Nahida on rerun, or C0R1 Xilonen. To invest time in my beloved Clorinde, or diversify with another abyss team comp.

Decisions, decisions.

Know a lot of folks who have either up and quit this game completely, and can't be bothered to clear extra content save for dailies, abyss, the occasional archon quest.

I myself started doing the bare min. Login, convert resins into condensed resins, F1 to take daily points, take 20 commission from Kath, save exploration and everything else till final patch. Can't be fucked with this round's Imaginarium Theater because I am punished for lacking competent Cryo/Pyro DPSes kek. Abyss is still stat check which my C6R5 Clorinde performs well.

C0R1 Xil, C0R1 Mavuika just cause, and the rest is pretty much placed in the vault. Even stopped committed Welkin + BP, both on Genshin and ZZZ, ZZZ case by case basis I suppose.

I thought I was the only one who wasn't having a blast, turns out a lot of people I know have issues with the way Hoyo structured things for Natlan. Started out a mess, ended a mess still. Story writing is 3/5. Fontaine and Sumeru still peak stories for me. Nightsouls/Phlogiston traversals still a mess but it's eh whatever. I've been saying this since the start, Natlan isn't groundbreaking. For awhile, everyone was like zomg, so fun, so peak, Hoyo can't do no wrong, but the whole region is clashing with one another design wise.

Let's see what Snezhnaya holds come Jul/Aug 2025.

This post has been edited by MerryGoRound^2: Jan 18 2025, 04:43 PM

Anyone going for Mizuki? Interesting that hoyo used the term "Swirl DPS" lol. She's probably the offensive version of Kokomi which lesser intensity required. Tempted to C6 but F2P and no longer playing as hard. Thinking I should get her sig to hedge, then get her during anni selector + losing 50-50s.

Still considering. Swirl DPS is a relatively novel concept Hoyo has refused to tap into since Sucrose so having them outright acknowledge Mizuki is a "Swirl DPS" and not a "Support" intrigues me.

This character is strictly competent for aoe scenarios only however. And you simply press Q-E then run around doing nothing for 12s.