Thanks you two. Should probably add that I'll help with your runs and challenges in return for all the free farming I get to do in your world.

Will pm you guys my UID. If anyone else is willing to let me mass farm their Sango Pearls/Specters, let me know that. Likewise, will help with your runs whenever you need me.

Specters we can farm together actually. I believe they're Inazuman slimes.

Baal's burst multipliers on her initial slash is low because it isn't just that ratio alone. You have to factor in the accumulated stacks into her damage. Clearly, you have not read her skill description and you're just deflecting questions from one end to the other. If you did your homework, you would have known that her AA during her burst mode is considered burst damage, which means the resolve stacks enhances its damage too.

If you knew that, you wouldn't have the perception that her mults are weak, let alone wonder how does her ult work either. I didn't even mention anything about team comps. The rotation is raised in discussion because it is what helps you increase your damage output. Put everything together and you'll realize her multipliers are on the solid side. If you expect a plug n play concept on Raiden, you might as well skip her

Also, claiming Eula is horrible when you're running a 4* weapon without even factoring in your art/builds is nigh foolish. Liyue 3 will always reign superior no matter how you look at it, but a C6 Eula currently holds the game's highest raw damage, and comparisons have shown she clears a moderate amount of contents faster than a C6 Ganyu and Hutao care to accomplish. All that with physical damage. C6 Xiao? You can forget about that fella because all that damage is sadly gimped by his high risk-reward playstyle. Most players haven't reach that form of mechanical skill to contest. Argue all you want, but Eula's raw damage ceiling is undisputed.

As far as your opinion goes, I recall full well that many of us tried to ask you very technical questions, but you dodged them . All I see in your Eula complain is a a salty player who is upset about Eula because he isn't getting big pp numbers, either because he can't get her rotations right, hasn't fully optimized his gears or is comparing unfairly between characters. And the same thing seems to be repeating itself in the topic of Baal.

I don't think the discussion in question was about physical damage, more about Eula not being a good character, and for some reason that discussion stood out to me because when facts and comparisons were presented last time, said individual decided to stop talking .

Yes, Genshin is a game of elemental reaction. And elements will always reign superior to physical damage. BUT, that doesn't mean physical damage is completely unusable. As a matter of fact, physical damage dealers like Eula are highly relevant in high-level challenges and just about any overworld contents. Meanwhile, Razor remains a good f2p option to everyone.

There's a reason Eula is an abyss staple, and a common face in high-level contents like Vagabond. When faced with a time challenge, her burst is undeniably useful. Is Eula lacking in some areas? Absolutely. But even Liyue 3 have their setbacks. However, all things considered, I dare say a C6 Eula currently occupies the highest damage ceiling in kind. What she lacks in the elemental reaction department, she gains high bases and ratios.

Is she gamebreaking? Probably at C6 and in raw damage. But elsewhere? Not at all. Mihoyo has been dumbing their balance numbers down since Liyue 3 and ZL's rework. Inazuman characters, apart from Ayaka, have been getting shat on by the CN folks mostly. CN folks are all about powercreeping, and they believe that the next one has to be better than the previous ones.

Mihoyo did push themselves into a horrible corner because of Ganyu, but that doesn't make subsequent releases weak. The word reined in feels more apt. Particularly with Yoimiya, Baal and soon-to-be Kokomi, this is already the case.

That said, I think we can disregard all the above, and still realize the topic about Eula being weak arose because our good friend here is running unoptimized builds with her and a 4* weapon and comparing her to unfavorable situations. This is regardless of cons or not. But when cons are dragged in, at every character's fullest potential, the debate changes. Instead of acknowledging they themselves lack knowledge about the game, they instead, decided to fault Mihoyo's drip marketing. And guess what? That will probably happen for every waifu of your choice, so you can't blame Mihoyo . I am merely dissecting the argument from a "Eula is trash" standpoint, and nothing our good friend has raised has been valid.

P/s: This discussion also reminds me of the Keking talk . *Keking is fine. I have her at C1 and she does well." This was... a month or 2 ago too? A few days ago, "I don't have a good dps," surfaced. Boy, the Keking talk did not age well .

And just so we're clear too, none of this is about whaling. Some folks just don't know what they're talking about. Whenever a C6 is brought into discussion, folks are quick to play the "whale" card. You don't need to own a C6 to know who or what characters are great. Educating yourself about the mechanics, simply watching comparison videos that are grounded in scientific analysis will help you understand things a lot better.

This post has been edited by MerryGoRound^2: Aug 29 2021, 06:41 PM

I'm wfh, so I usually just let my genshin on and afk. But I'm mostly on 24/7. I'll pm you for your UID. Technically, I think yours is at the first page

I have so many questions going through my head as I'm reading this.

You want to know her tachi multipliers? Here you go. These are the multipliers at Lv13, assuming you C3 her at least.



The fact that you refuse to take into account her damage per resolve stack is the reason you cannot see the big pp damage coming out of her initial slash Let's talk hypothetically.

At max resolve stacks you have 100.66% (inclusive of the initial slash), you add on 851.7%. That's approx 953% scaling on her initial slash. Add the full normal attack rotations from her tachi, 581.95%. During burst mode, you can do 2 full rotations or close to that. All together, you have a whooping 1534.31% - 2116.26% scaling on her burst,

Why you look at tachi and her burst differently baffles me, as they're one and the very same.

Compared to Venti's and Zhongli's scalings on their burst, Baal has the highest, most consistent scaling. Venti sits at 1797.75, but that is if you successfully swirl an element. Meanwhile Zhongli gets 1084%.

I'm not exactly sure why you think Baal is bait. It's hilarious watching you claim that her burst does little to no damage, when there are other friendly folks here answering your question and you giving a half-assed response. Baal is designed in a way that if forces you to maximize her on-field time if you want the damage to be obvious. Is she broken in damage? No. Can she do almost everything? Yes. This is a Main DPS/Sub DPS/Support all in one depending on how much you whale her.

To answer all that question of yours, no, her tachi AAs doesn't take on her initial slash scalings. Why you think that may be the case is also beyond me. Then again, I seriously don't know where you're getting at. And you're just complicating one thing after the other. After answering all that, I can't for the life of me understand where you're getting at. We haven't even added the coordinated E damage fyi.

Also, it makes sense to me why your Eula is doing piss poor damage. Improve your crit rate to at least 60%, get your ATK to 2k+, and come back and argue. If you can't be bothered to grind or farm artifact, the fault isn't on the character, it's you.

This post has been edited by MerryGoRound^2: Aug 29 2021, 11:08 PM

I can imagine the ocd in you screaming KEK.

If you're not saving for anyone in particular, I recommend you to pull for a C0 Baal. Baal being the electro archon, will have access to certain utilities exclusive to archons only.

Even though laobeh's words has truth in it, a C0 Baal is by no means trash, as her cons only serve to bring her qol.

At C0, she does what she's supposed to do for an electro element - provide unparalleled ER, making her a boon to you if you generally run high burst cost characters.

Archons are usually a walking, inflated version of their respective elemental resonance, so no, pulling for a C0 baal doesn't put you at a loss.

Some folks claim Raiden cannot cook, a reference to Raiden Mei . Not sure if that's true tho.

All right. The Grasscutter x Amos vs. Grasscutter x The Unforged battle has been laid to rest. It's GC x The Unforged.




Don't go dumping your freemos into Raiden's wep banner . si kutu rayau



This post has been edited by MerryGoRound^2: Aug 30 2021, 11:27 AM

laobeh remember what we talked about last night?

Kokomi's hydro application got buffed from 4s > 2.5s. Looks like they're moving her in the sub dps section. I would imagine 2.5s makes her viable in permafreeze now.

Kokomi hydro application change.

Word of advice. The wep banner is a scam. Because of its lack of pity. The epitomized gimmick hardly fixes the problem.

If you're lucky, 80 roll should do it. Moderately lucky 160 roll. Unlucky like me, 320 rolls for a R1 pines KEK.

Just be very sure it's a weapon you want

Yeap. Sucrose, XL + Sara confirmed for Raiden's banner.

New wing glider. Locked behind paywall. Suspect new battle pass. Pay RM40 for this

Story spoilers abound.

Don't worry, it isn't an outward spoil. Just gives you a glimpse into how the story flashes out through personal quests.



This post has been edited by MerryGoRound^2: Aug 30 2021, 12:29 PM

Personal thoughts are Mihoyo compromised on the finer details and polishing to get Inazuma ready for patch 2.0

You could do that, but Grasscutter is specifically designed to synergize with Baal due to her ER > ATK conversion mechanic. That's why CN players want to mdps her.

Speaking of which... all the Raiden banner hype has somehow caused Youtube's algorithm to recommend me Sucrose video. I find this one visually pleasing to watch. Anyone still running an EM Sucrose team comp? This is what I call an actual firework team comp, not pesky Childe/Yoimiya mark.

Then I think you might have to build ER sands on her Baal because 90 energy cost on burst

I strongly advise against building pities and pitting your 50-50s in getting your desired 5* .

A lot of folks like to build pities, and I think it's a waste of gems. That's honestly the reason most people always complain about a lack of rolls come a new banner. If anything, just take chances with your 50-50, you may never know. A dog always has its day anyway.