Aug 29 2021, 07:01 PM
QUOTE(MerryGoRound^2 @ Aug 29 2021, 06:35 PM)
I don't think the discussion in question was about physical damage, more about Eula not being a good character, and for some reason that discussion stood out to me because when facts and comparisons were presented last time, said individual decided to stop talking 
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Yes, Genshin is a game of elemental reaction. And elements will always reign superior to physical damage. BUT, that doesn't mean physical damage is completely unusable. As a matter of fact, physical damage dealers like Eula are highly relevant in high-level challenges and just about any overworld contents. Meanwhile, Razor remains a good f2p option to everyone.
There's a reason Eula is an abyss staple, and a common face in high-level contents like Vagabond. When faced with a time challenge, her burst is undeniably useful. Is Eula lacking in some areas? Absolutely. But even Liyue 3 have their setbacks. However, all things considered, I dare say a C6 Eula currently occupies the highest damage ceiling in kind. What she lacks in the elemental reaction department, she gains high bases and ratios.
Is she gamebreaking? Probably at C6 and in raw damage. But elsewhere? Not at all. Mihoyo has been dumbing their balance numbers down since Liyue 3 and ZL's rework. Inazuman characters, apart from Ayaka, have been getting shat on by the CN folks mostly. CN folks are all about powercreeping, and they believe that the next one has to be better than the previous ones.
Mihoyo did push themselves into a horrible corner because of Ganyu, but that doesn't make subsequent releases weak. The word reined in feels more apt. Particularly with Yoimiya, Baal and soon-to-be Kokomi, this is already the case.
That said, I think we can disregard all the above, and still realize the topic about Eula being weak arose because our good friend here is running unoptimized builds with her and a 4* weapon and comparing her to unfavorable situations. This is regardless of cons or not. But when cons are dragged in, at every character's fullest potential, the debate changes. Instead of acknowledging they themselves lack knowledge about the game, they instead, decided to fault Mihoyo's drip marketing. And guess what? That will probably happen for every waifu of your choice, so you can't blame Mihoyo
. I am merely dissecting the argument from a "Eula is trash" standpoint, and nothing our good friend has raised has been valid.
P/s: This discussion also reminds me of the Keking talk. *Keking is fine. I have her at C1 and she does well." This was... a month or 2 ago too? A few days ago, "I don't have a good dps," surfaced. Boy, the Keking talk did not age well .
And just so we're clear too, none of this is about whaling. Some folks just don't know what they're talking about. Whenever a C6 is brought into discussion, folks are quick to play the "whale" card. You don't need to own a C6 to know who or what characters are great. Educating yourself about the mechanics, simply watching comparison videos that are grounded in scientific analysis will help you understand things a lot better.
**.Yes, Genshin is a game of elemental reaction. And elements will always reign superior to physical damage. BUT, that doesn't mean physical damage is completely unusable. As a matter of fact, physical damage dealers like Eula are highly relevant in high-level challenges and just about any overworld contents. Meanwhile, Razor remains a good f2p option to everyone.
There's a reason Eula is an abyss staple, and a common face in high-level contents like Vagabond. When faced with a time challenge, her burst is undeniably useful. Is Eula lacking in some areas? Absolutely. But even Liyue 3 have their setbacks. However, all things considered, I dare say a C6 Eula currently occupies the highest damage ceiling in kind. What she lacks in the elemental reaction department, she gains high bases and ratios.
Is she gamebreaking? Probably at C6 and in raw damage. But elsewhere? Not at all. Mihoyo has been dumbing their balance numbers down since Liyue 3 and ZL's rework. Inazuman characters, apart from Ayaka, have been getting shat on by the CN folks mostly. CN folks are all about powercreeping, and they believe that the next one has to be better than the previous ones.
Mihoyo did push themselves into a horrible corner because of Ganyu, but that doesn't make subsequent releases weak. The word reined in feels more apt. Particularly with Yoimiya, Baal and soon-to-be Kokomi, this is already the case.
That said, I think we can disregard all the above, and still realize the topic about Eula being weak arose because our good friend here is running unoptimized builds with her and a 4* weapon and comparing her to unfavorable situations. This is regardless of cons or not. But when cons are dragged in, at every character's fullest potential, the debate changes. Instead of acknowledging they themselves lack knowledge about the game, they instead, decided to fault Mihoyo's drip marketing. And guess what? That will probably happen for every waifu of your choice, so you can't blame Mihoyo
. I am merely dissecting the argument from a "Eula is trash" standpoint, and nothing our good friend has raised has been valid.P/s: This discussion also reminds me of the Keking talk
. *Keking is fine. I have her at C1 and she does well." This was... a month or 2 ago too? A few days ago, "I don't have a good dps," surfaced. Boy, the Keking talk did not age well . And just so we're clear too, none of this is about whaling. Some folks just don't know what they're talking about. Whenever a C6 is brought into discussion, folks are quick to play the "whale" card. You don't need to own a C6 to know who or what characters are great. Educating yourself about the mechanics, simply watching comparison videos that are grounded in scientific analysis will help you understand things a lot better.
"I don't think the discussion in question was about physical damage, more about Eula not being a good character, and for some reason that discussion stood out to me because when facts and comparisons were presented last time, said individual decided to stop talking"
I would like to address this one as I fear there would be misunderstandings, if I were to recall this particular scenario, the reason behind I stopped replying is mainly due to the fact, during at that said conversation, there is an individual actually mocking me for not using Eula correctly, he/she even stated that my burst stack must be below 10 and my atk damage for sure is below 2000 (which i find it funny as he is trying to state the obvious, how would u gain above 2000 atk damage with 4 star weapon that has physical % as substat really braindead to me =.=). With that being said, please do shower us your 100% optimized Eula build that you are soo confident with, I do really wish to hear your side of the story.
"That said, I think we can disregard all the above, and still realize the topic about Eula being weak arose because our good friend here is running unoptimized builds with her and a 4* weapon and comparing her to unfavorable situations."
I like how you singled out only my Eula for this case, but nevertheless I will still entertain your claim. During that time these are my exact words "anyone feels like Eula is weak compared to Ganyu Xiao and Hutao?" - Posted on: May 25 2021, 05:26 PM, with this being said, I am not sure how did u able to conclude: " running unoptimized builds with her (Eula)" and "4* weapon and comparing her to unfavorable situations."
So please do enlighten me on why should I reply to someone who wrote back with instant negative backlash instead of a constructive ones.
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