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TSmeera1225
post Feb 5 2021, 06:50 PM, updated 5y ago

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look at the new laptops now have intel and amd but someone told me amd ones are actually not as fast as the desktop ones and quite problematic shocking.gif

anyone with experience on the new amd laptops can share here?

any major issue?
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post Feb 5 2021, 06:55 PM

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anyone saying intel is better than amd at this point of time is probably out of touch


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post Feb 5 2021, 08:50 PM

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Easily AMD.

Intel still stuck in their donkey ages of 14nm and quad cores (for i5, as im benching it according to price, if you want to compare i7 with ryzen7 then it’s 6 vs 8).

For same budget (actually still cheaper), you can get Ryzen7 4800H, which have double the cores/threads while likely still consuming less powers (TSMC 7nm is fantastic here).

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post Feb 5 2021, 08:55 PM

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Amd alot problem.. Yes
But amd is king now.
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post Feb 5 2021, 09:31 PM

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The mobile 5000-series had just been launched last month and various vendors have their SKUs listed already. If you're particular about wanting the best of the best, get those that updated with Zen3 architecture (similar to desktop). Few of the 5000-series still based on the olded Zen2 architecture and will probably fall short bout 10% in performance differences especially in single threaded task.
https://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/147255-amd-...nne-processors/

But honestly, zen2 is no sloth either and readily better than most intels out there.

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post Feb 5 2021, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(Jaclow @ Feb 5 2021, 08:55 PM)
Amd alot problem
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Wouldn't say a lot but they have to make more stable drivers, especially in AMD+Nvidia laptops. Also Ryzen 5000 mobile (Zen 3) has caching issue pending AMD fix. Does this means AMD is bad? No, Intel Tiger Lake also has driver issues especially on iGPU side.

Personally would pick AMD since it's more power efficient which is more important in smaller+power constraint form factor like laptops. Also at non gaming systems it offers 6 and 8 cores
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post Feb 5 2021, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(meera1225 @ Feb 5 2021, 06:50 PM)
look at the new laptops now have intel and amd but someone told me amd ones are actually not as fast as the desktop ones and quite problematic  shocking.gif

anyone with experience on the new amd laptops can share here?

any major issue?
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Clearcut intel the best
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post Feb 5 2021, 10:18 PM

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TSmeera1225
post Feb 7 2021, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(ZM Fong @ Feb 5 2021, 10:04 PM)
Wouldn't say a lot but they have to make more stable drivers, especially in AMD+Nvidia laptops. Also Ryzen 5000 mobile (Zen 3) has caching issue pending AMD fix. Does this means AMD is bad? No, Intel Tiger Lake also has driver issues especially on iGPU side.

Personally would pick AMD since it's more power efficient which is more important in smaller+power constraint form factor like laptops. Also at non gaming systems it offers 6 and 8 cores
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interesting, might need to wait a while before getting one
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post Feb 7 2021, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(waghyu @ Feb 5 2021, 10:05 PM)
Clearcut intel the best
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but everyone and especially youtubers say amd yes wor unsure.gif
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post Feb 7 2021, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(meera1225 @ Feb 7 2021, 08:31 PM)
but everyone and especially youtubers say amd yes wor  unsure.gif
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Yes due to cheaper price point.

Performance endurance of battery management its Intel.
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post Feb 7 2021, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(waghyu @ Feb 7 2021, 08:33 PM)
Yes due to cheaper price point.

Performance endurance of battery management its Intel.
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eh this is some new things I have heard, any video or content to back it up?
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post Feb 7 2021, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(waghyu @ Feb 7 2021, 08:33 PM)
Performance endurance of battery management its Intel.
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Don't agree here.
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post Feb 7 2021, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(meera1225 @ Feb 7 2021, 08:34 PM)
eh this is some new things I have heard, any video or content to back it up?
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QUOTE(ZM Fong @ Feb 7 2021, 08:35 PM)
Don't agree here.
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Reality, no need backup.

Surface example, none using Amd at all.

Macbook example, none using Amd at all.
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post Feb 7 2021, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(meera1225 @ Feb 7 2021, 08:34 PM)
eh this is some new things I have heard, any video or content to back it up?
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QUOTE(ZM Fong @ Feb 7 2021, 08:35 PM)
Don't agree here.
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Reality, no need backup.

Surface example, none using Amd at all.

Macbook example, none using Amd at all.
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post Feb 7 2021, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(waghyu @ Feb 7 2021, 09:01 PM)
Reality, no need backup.

Surface example, none using Amd at all.

Macbook example, none using Amd at all.
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Not related to the points you mentioned lol

Surface actually got Ryzen version before
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post Feb 7 2021, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(ZM Fong @ Feb 7 2021, 10:49 PM)
Not related to the points you mentioned lol

Surface actually got Ryzen version before
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And endup bad for business so they decide to use Intel... so Intel still wise choice for long term, all rounder winner.
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post Feb 7 2021, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(waghyu @ Feb 7 2021, 09:01 PM)
Reality, no need backup.

Surface example, none using Amd at all.

Macbook example, none using Amd at all.
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Real facepalm response here.

At this moment, value for money gaming laptop has turn tide from intel to amd.

latest ces proved it. more manufacturer turn to amd.

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post Feb 7 2021, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(frossonice @ Feb 7 2021, 10:54 PM)
Real facepalm response here.

At this moment, value for money gaming laptop has turn tide from intel to amd.

latest ces proved it. more manufacturer turn to amd.
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Still lots of issues.
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post Feb 7 2021, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(frossonice @ Feb 7 2021, 10:54 PM)
Real facepalm response here.

At this moment, value for money gaming laptop has turn tide from intel to amd.

latest ces proved it. more manufacturer turn to amd.
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No point arguing with a fanboy, just leave him alone.
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post Feb 7 2021, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(meera1225 @ Feb 5 2021, 06:50 PM)
look at the new laptops now have intel and amd but someone told me amd ones are actually not as fast as the desktop ones and quite problematic  shocking.gif

anyone with experience on the new amd laptops can share here?

any major issue?
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Get Intel, you will regret getting Amd.
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post Feb 9 2021, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(waghyu @ Feb 7 2021, 11:09 PM)
Get Intel, you will regret getting Amd.
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lol,

my AMD laptop is basically more powerful then my office workstation and has decent battery life and thermal performance then the average intel mobile performance chips.

if intel was so stable why the had to fire their last CEO and the hire a new one who will also admit intels failure to compete even with a lifestyle company.

no one care about loyalty here. we just want the best for our money.

you just simping for intel while we look for progress.


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post Feb 10 2021, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(Nicksgame @ Feb 9 2021, 02:28 PM)
lol,

my AMD laptop is basically more powerful then my office workstation and has decent battery life and thermal performance then the average intel mobile performance chips.

if intel was so stable why the had to fire their last CEO and the hire a new one who will also admit intels failure to compete even with a lifestyle company.

no one care about loyalty here. we just want the best for our money.

you just simping for intel while we look for progress.
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You office spec maybe so so only. Don't do mistake buying AMD.
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post Feb 11 2021, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(waghyu @ Feb 7 2021, 11:09 PM)
Get Intel, you will regret getting Amd.
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What a joke, this post even reported?
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post Feb 13 2021, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(waghyu @ Feb 7 2021, 11:09 PM)
Get Intel, you will regret getting Amd.
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Intel will be better , but not now.
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post Feb 13 2021, 05:54 AM

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QUOTE(frossonice @ Feb 7 2021, 10:54 PM)
Real facepalm response here.
QUOTE(ZM Fong @ Feb 7 2021, 11:05 PM)
No point arguing with a fanboy.
Orang baru keluar dari gua, that's why
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post Feb 13 2021, 06:44 PM

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If want safe go Intel. If you don't mind experimenting can try amd. 5000 mobile and 4000 mobile difference is 10% so don't need to wait. The one that need to wait is 3060 which is up to 40% more than 2060.
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Owning a USB C Thunderbolt docking. As I still wish to remain to use it.
Budget 5k +-

Any 3k series gonna release shall keep track?
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post Feb 16 2021, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(tachlio @ Feb 13 2021, 08:25 PM)
Owning a USB C Thunderbolt docking. As I still wish to remain to use it.
Budget 5k +-

Any 3k series gonna release shall keep track?
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isnt this making you limited to intel's offering?

msi's prestige 14 evo looks pretty well for the 5k budget
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post Feb 16 2021, 06:33 PM

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walao sudden dagao here sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

keep calm people we dont work for brands stop fighting for nothing lol sweat.gif
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post Feb 16 2021, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(xerox8908 @ Feb 13 2021, 06:44 PM)
If want safe go Intel. If you don't mind experimenting can try amd. 5000 mobile and 4000 mobile difference is 10% so don't need to wait. The one that need to wait is 3060 which is up to 40% more than 2060.
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wow that sounds awesome!
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QUOTE(msacras @ Feb 5 2021, 08:50 PM)
Easily AMD.

Intel still stuck in their donkey ages of 14nm and quad cores (for i5, as im benching it according to price, if you want to compare i7 with ryzen7 then it’s 6 vs 8).

For same budget (actually still cheaper), you can get Ryzen7 4800H, which have double the cores/threads while likely still consuming less powers (TSMC 7nm is fantastic here).

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must compare r7 against i7 ma.. apple to apple comparison
i5 is just office spec series.
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post Feb 16 2021, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Feb 16 2021, 06:57 PM)
must compare r7 against i7 ma.. apple to apple comparison
i5 is just office spec series.
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I5 cost more than R7

I7 cost even more than that, yet still less cores than R7. The previous saving grace of Intel having better single thread performance also will soon change after 5th gen Ryzen reach the market.

Ryzen 5th gen can even obsolete Intel’s desktop chips


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post Feb 17 2021, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(msacras @ Feb 5 2021, 08:50 PM)
Easily AMD.

Intel still stuck in their donkey ages of 14nm and quad cores (for i5, as im benching it according to price, if you want to compare i7 with ryzen7 then it’s 6 vs 8).

For same budget (actually still cheaper), you can get Ryzen7 4800H, which have double the cores/threads while likely still consuming less powers (TSMC 7nm is fantastic here).

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can share which lenovo model are these ? specs looking good
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post Feb 17 2021, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(xenith @ Feb 17 2021, 12:33 AM)
can share which lenovo model are these ? specs looking good
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Ideapad Gaming 3.

Sadly the “FRONTLINER” discount code no longer working, no more such dirt cheap price.
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post Feb 17 2021, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(msacras @ Feb 17 2021, 09:16 AM)
Ideapad Gaming 3.

Sadly the “FRONTLINER” discount code no longer working, no more such dirt cheap price.
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Thanks boss. There's always another time. Good for waiting new AMD gen3 too.
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post Feb 17 2021, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(xenith @ Feb 17 2021, 10:11 AM)
Thanks boss. There's always another time. Good for waiting new AMD gen3 too.
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Can’t deny that

But in “value for money” aspects, the value is really really hard to beat in foreseeable future (Ryzen5/7 and GTX1650 laptop for under RM2.5k? Asus/Acer likely have a shock reading about that too laugh.gif)

Zen3 have substantial improvement in single core performance. Though I expect newer gen likely means higher price too, as TSMC is overloaded with chip orders and had increased its price to maintain the demand and profit. Thus AMD likely will have to increase their price too.

Back then when I bought my 3rd gen Ryzen5 lappy, AMD didn’t break through the mobile computer market yet and their Ryzen5/7 laptops go as cheap as sub RM1.5k-2k as compared to Intel i3 or i5 which easily start above RM2k. With 4th gen Ryzen turned the tide against Intel, Ryzen devices no longer start at under RM2k (though still far more competitive as compared to Intel).

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