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kyleen
post Jul 4 2023, 01:11 PM

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Hello sifus,
I have friend in mid-50s, never had any insurance.
This friend had angioplasty in mid-40s, since then is reasonably healthy but with long term heart medication.
Is there any possibility of getting medical insurance, we are looking at those high deductibles (eg.20k) to lower the premium? Don't mind ILP product if it offers lower premium.
And will heart disease always be excluded from claims as pre illness ?

kyleen
post Nov 11 2024, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(justanovice @ Nov 9 2024, 03:04 PM)
Good point above. I would also like to hear if anyone’s agent help adjust the funds. Mine never.
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Yes, they do. At the same time. they will want to meet up and introduce new products. Nothing wrong, they just doing their job. Since I have no intentions of getting more insurance, I stop contacting my agent, and just DIY go direct to the company HQ/customerservice. The irony is I live even nearer to the HQ than my agent to me, so why go through a agent to get things done.

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post Nov 11 2024, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Nov 11 2024, 07:52 PM)
I have both non ILP plan and ILP. The 3rd and last policy was the ILP policy.

I know what to expect, I know them well enough. ILP does have the advantage of being able to change my coverage anytime. Not that I foresee changing anything immediately. Reason I chose ILP is because I want the CI and medical coverage and adding 50k of life coverage while not needed, is also not burdensome.

Do I know the investment amounts to nothing as I get older? Yes I know. I don’t expect it to give any return, it is indeed my insurance protection.

Since I don’t expect much return from ILP, I just change my funds to 100% bond fund after I had it for one year in equity fund. Now, I think of it like a somewhat temporary bank account to deduct charges for my insurance coverage. I have other equity investment. So I play defensive. Plus the return is really not great. Probably not 1% to 2% like ramjade said but I did take a Quick Look, maybe 3% to 4% last few years for some random equity fund that I picked looked through, which is still very bad to be honest. I decided at such sad return, might as well I invest in bond fund. And I think it was a good decision for me.

So, you can change your investment. Don’t have to wait for your agent. It’s really within our control. Just find out what is the procedure from the insurance company.
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I have similar thoughts. The last few years, my ILP sustainability has gone down -10 years, but I haven't bothered to top up. I plan to top up lump sum in the (hopefully) far future, with the said lump sum earning me higher interest elsewhere. Meaning I'm just putting in enough to sustain the ILP, I don't care for any returns from the investment. In the meantime, I plan to switch to a better fund, with the hope it will increase the sustainability.

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kyleen
post Jan 1 2025, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 31 2024, 09:10 PM)
I can tell you the insurance that are problematic/try all kinds of ways to delay issuing GL.
GE, Cuepacs care and Micare.
Anything not on the list should be ok.
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Recently admitted with Micare(company insurance) and hospital impressively handled my admission including getting GL letter within half hour.

Heard before from hospital staff that insurance companies tend to scrutinised new policy holders, within 2-3yrs (can't rmb exactly) and delay GL if they are not convinced admission reason.
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post Jan 2 2025, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jan 1 2025, 10:56 PM)
Just reminder, to everyone else.. What the above poster has mentioned here, and what mr Ramjade has also said, are hearsay and no basis. I will say even the hospital staff is also hearsay because they also don't know how the process really works in an insurance company

The conversation in the last few post seems to imply the person working at certain insurance companies or certain companies, will happily decline claims.

It's abit like the auntie talk in a restaurant, saying the worker very stingy with food, dont want to give me more tea or more soup. Honestly, if the worker is not the owner, the worker just dont give a damn. they do enough not to get scolded by boss, and they do enough to please the customer, so they would have follow the SOP set by their boss. they really not in there to save money for their boss by giving less tea or soup to the customer.

Now using this analogy and apply to a corporate setting, the employees dont go to office thinking how many claims i want to decline so the company earns more profit. the employee is there, show up, analyse claims, dont get scolded by boss, do work according to SOP, clock out and go home. To decline claim, later the hospital call, the customer call, the agent call, so much work to handle.

I dont work in claims, i just apply normal logic. We all have to remember these are normal employees. i am just a normal employee too. i dont go into office thinking how i can strategise for my employer increase profit by 30% to hit RM100mil RM200mil profit or whatever.

Yes, one can argue, what i have said also hearsay and no basis. but hey... i lay out good analogy at least..? and my past contribution should count for some credibility right?

Good night, happy new year
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Yes, and I refuted OP based on true experience and I made it clear 2nd point is based on hearsay, it is included as a suggestion on why some cases are delayed/rejected.
Tbh, some posters here made it sound like insurance is a money game scam where early birds reap the benefit and those that don't exit the game bears the loss. If insurance is so unreliable, why even bother getting it ?

This post has been edited by kyleen: Jan 2 2025, 09:26 AM
kyleen
post Apr 21 2025, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(hafizmamak85 @ Apr 21 2025, 06:29 PM)
Please for god's sake, let's stop promoting these 100k products. Just get rid of them. They are not effective at stopping losses. One time kena accident,  kena 250k bill, what you gonna do then???
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So dramatic, but what happens is that private hospital will send you to government hospital once 100k runs out. No worries about 250k bill.


 

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