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cactuscch2
post Mar 27 2025, 05:16 PM

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GE offered upgrade to Smart Health Protector Exclusive (SHP), but significant diff in premium.

Top: From SmartMedic Extra (SMX) to SHP
Female, born in 1974.
Current premium (monthly): 337.50, increment 20, new prenium 357.50

Bottom: From IL Health Protector (ILHP) to SHP
Male, born in 1977.
Current premium (monthly): 232, increment 303, new prenium 535

How come the increment is so different : RM20 vs RM303 ?? Any clue?

Agent reply: this is the campaign. We can’t adjust anything or the offer. We can only either to accept or decline.


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post Mar 27 2025, 09:37 PM

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Thanks hafizmamak85 for the reply, here are some additional coverage details of the plans (top: SMX, bottom: ILHP).

Both policies have never made any claims before.

SMX had an upgrade in 2022 for Covid case.

ILHP has been maintaining RM2400 annual premium since 2007, and increase to RM2780 in 2023.


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post Mar 28 2025, 11:39 AM

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Thanks hafizmamak85, contestchris & CMS for the insights. I've emailed to GE CS to ask for

1. A detailed breakdown of the premium increment for my policy, showing how the new amount is calculated.
2. A line-by-line justification for each rider included in the policy and how it contributes to the premium adjustment.

But I've a bad feeling that they will blame the different because of ILHP & SMX work differently.

My colleague advised me to accept the offer, and then restructure/ downgrade the base plan (remove PA, remove CI) to lower annual premium, if allowed to do so. I have another AIA plan (AETNA LIVING COVER), and can buy standalone PA plan is just few hundreds per year.

I've also consulted Allianz & Prudential agents, they gave me some options. Both of them said accepting ILHP upgrade to SHP can be considered.

Allianz's alternative option is quite complicated. Was advised to restructure current ILHP, remove PA/ CI/ lower TPD/Life. Add on Allianz medical plan + 5000 TPD/ Life. The premium end up similar (SHP upgrade ≈ ILHP downgrade + Allianz medical). Two things that appeal to me are 1. Allianz no waiting period if I take the offer before 30 Apr, 2. sustainibility age = 80 (vs. SHP 66)

Prudential directly quote me RM585 monthly (or RM7000 per annum), but need body check up and 2 years waiting period.

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post Mar 28 2025, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Mar 28 2025, 12:36 PM)
i wrote a post about the things to consider when you switch from your current policy from company A to company B. I'm not saying dont do it all, but do take into account the cost involved are complicated.

I'm not fully understanding what you are putting here. did you also approach Allianz to get a new policy? i suppose you dont have a current policy with allianz? you should shop around but do read my previous post about the switching.
► Yes, A approached Alianz agent. They give me some options. Restructured my current GE plan, and buy Allianz medical plan (+ minimum Life).

Also want to clear up some misconception, assuming you are a normal person, non of the medical plans out there have 2 years waiting period. the 2-years is actually referring to the incontestability period, which somehow gets translate to "dont claim within 2 years".
► Allianz has early bird offer to me [takeover campaign], can waive waiting period, no need medical check up. He explained that in the first 2 years of the new policy, I have to pay out of my pocket for chronic diseases, then submit claims. Up to Allianz discretion for approval.

I dont work for GE, and i have no vested interest in GE. I put it in a different analogy, if you are switching from a honda city to honda accord, the jump of car loan installment will be smaller. but if you are switching from axia to accord, i'm sure the jump in car loan instalment is bigger. in the end we are consumers, it's our choice to want that accord or not. i wont say they blame it on the axia being cheap, but the axia is cheaper, that is the reality right?
► My situation is: both of me and my colleage being offered to upgrade to the same SHP plan. How come the final premium is different for similar coverage? I'm younger and start the policy earlier (RM6420 vs. RM4290).
► hafizmamak85 pointed this out "It is really baffling to me that Policy 2 is being asked to pay an extra RM 180 per month or almost RM 2.2k per annum compared to Policy 1 for essentially an extra RM 50k in death & accidental benefits."


added side note on the GE plan: from what i see on the brochure. the SHP Plus offers what i think are not important benefits, dont get it (IF you do decide to upgrade to SHP)
► I won't consider SHP Plus (option 2) . All my calculation is based on SHP option 1.
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post Mar 28 2025, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Mar 28 2025, 03:03 PM)
I don't read about 90% for what hafizmamak writes. I believe contestchris has given a theory for some explanation on the differences of the premium. Which I can't add more since i dunno anyway. But those seems like the sound theory

Insurance product is more complicated than to compare. Not an excuse for the insurance companies but ya, it is not something you can compare easily with another person and just ask why he/she is different.

Having said that you have sent an email to GE, they should give you a more complete answer than us mostly providing educated guess.
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Thank you so much. My understanding of insurance is very limited. I've picked up more and more concepts from you and others who replied. These are good learning experience.
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post Apr 8 2025, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(cactuscch2 @ Mar 27 2025, 05:16 PM)
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GE offered upgrade to Smart Health Protector Exclusive (SHP), but significant diff in premium.

Top: From SmartMedic Extra (SMX) to SHP
Female, born in 1974.
Current premium (monthly): 337.50, increment 20, new prenium 357.50

Bottom: From IL Health Protector (ILHP) to SHP
Male, born in 1977.
Current premium (monthly): 232, increment 303, new prenium 535

How come the increment is so different : RM20 vs RM303 ?? Any clue?

Agent reply: this is the campaign. We can’t adjust anything or the offer. We can only either to accept or decline.
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Just received a reply from GE. GE CS was beating around the bush.

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post Apr 11 2025, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(LeonTan @ Apr 10 2025, 12:37 AM)
did you ask your GE agent?

you may PM me, I might able to assist you
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My agent did reply, but quite useless. It's like "Just accept the offer and wait for another increment." That's why I ignored her reply and asked GE directly. Unfortunately CS reply is also useless.

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