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aurora97
post Sep 21 2023, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Sep 16 2023, 04:48 PM)
You cant compare white label investing with MXM and lonpac.

While i do not have any actual information that MXM is a shady or a legit company, you didnt go through the buying process to actually legitly recommend it also.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4919324/+2360

This was shared here by lifebalance years ago.

Side note: While i dont benefit for speaking good on behalf of GE, there is no definite proof that GE is bad at paying claims. Alot of informations are hearsay and anecdotal. That is why we have regulators.

That being said, if you all stop buying from GE, i think i benefit in an indirect manner.
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Let me have a dig on this MXM entity....

Short story: MXM is a digital platform (example to process medical claims), similar to MICARE, PMCARE etc... (Corporate employee medical claims)

Long story: MXM International Sdn. Bhd. (MXM) is an MSC status healthcare management company providing affordable healthcare membership programs through its professional membership advisors. Our members have the privilege to buy exclusive products from designated providers. Part of its services includes wellness programs, medical claim management, worldwide emergency medical assistance, and other healthcare and lifestyle-related services. MXM has engaged MetaFin Sdn. Bhd. (MetaFin) as a Technology Platform to support its business requirement. All insurance and takaful products must be purchased directly by members on the platform provided by MetaFin from a designated provider that is properly registered and authorised to sell insurance and takaful products. Please take note that MXM, its registered membership advisors and MetaFin are not in any way representing any insurer or takaful operator and are not involved in the sale of insurance and takaful products. (see fine print bottom of the page: https://www.medisavers.my/index.html)

Reason why it's cheaper: It's cheaper probably because they don't need to pay agent to service client. Also, insurance companies probably pay a periodic management fee (monthly?annual?).

Companies legit but I probably still won't buy from them because I'd prefer insurance companies with longevity (i.e. buy direct) or insurance company tells me to use the platform and they will back it up.
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post Sep 21 2023, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 21 2023, 04:52 PM)
For me I don't care about MXM. All I care is who is my insurer and who my contract is with who. When you buy via mxm, your contract is with lonlac and not mxm. When you get admitted, your insurance is lonpac not mxm. When you claim, it's you claiming from lonpac and not mxm. Mxm just like agent. For me I can live without agent. So no issue if mxm exist or don't exist cause at the end of the day, I am  dealing with lonpac.
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I have been reading the posting on MXM and I had no clue until I did a deep dive. What you have stated, I completely understand what you mean, that doesn't mean people who joined the thread understand it.

Simply because you didn't explain the mechanism.
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post Sep 25 2023, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Sep 25 2023, 01:36 PM)
Currently is by my company's insurance AIA, can get GL.

I was thinking of getting my own medical card by AIA, was told now AIA Standalone 1st 2 years ONLY can pay and claim.
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Well I always had the impression that one is suppose to exhaust the company's insurance before utilizing personal medical insurance or unless your company's insurance is a complete A HOLE and chances of "Pay first, claim later" will get rejected.

AIA medical card? I was looking for a standalone medical policy for tax purposes but I was told there was none. It had to be a "rider?". I ended up with this A-Life Link (some coverage for life, disability, critical care) with A Plus Med Rider.

Do you have the name of the product?

2 years before rclxub.gif ?? hmm... I though there was a 30-90 days wait period before you can make a claim.


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post Sep 25 2023, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 25 2023, 03:39 PM)

Don't buy insurance for tax benefit. Buy it to use it in the future. It's something you will use unless you are unlucky/lucky (depending on like how you see it) my colleague in his 60s and never use insurance a day in his life.

Agent bluff you. Latest and newest product by aia for standalone only is AIA Medi flex. You can opt to take rider or without the rider. Rider just extend the benefit to 1m+ coverage.
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Many years ago, was much younger less obligation and could afford it (and still do so). Tax exposure also much higher. Wanted to utilize all the tax benefits.

I bought my medical insurance in 2015, you mentioned the latest and newest product by AIA is AIA MEdiFlex, so meaning back then it didn't exist, I am guessing?

Ya, we have that thought also, why need to buy life / medical insurance. I think my parents didn't even take out a dime on us haha... Nowadays however, there is so much uncertainty and last thing I need is to be a bother to my family especially on medical cost.
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post Sep 25 2023, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 25 2023, 04:10 PM)
It existed. I was on the old plan call AIA Medi regular before it was discontinued this year. Not sure during 2015 it already existed or not.
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Thanks! You all are very knowledge I learnt something new today haha... thumbsup.gif

Now I learnt the difference between "Wait Period" and "Contestability Period" (my source: https://qoala.my/en/blog/personal-protectio...-medical-card/).

Thank goodness, not my family or myself were sick within 2 years period. One ngam ngam sick but just past 2 years couple of months. AIA issued GL same day request was made by hospital.
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post Feb 1 2024, 10:09 PM

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hi Sifussss out there, I use to buy my insurance directly from agent and still is but is there any difference buying via bancaassurance or directly online with insurance company? It looks cheaper but will I miss out anything aside from the risk aspect of it? I was told agent suppose to balance your risk and finances to ensure that you don't over or under insure... any thoughts?
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post Feb 2 2024, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(Holocene @ Feb 2 2024, 02:06 PM)
Some products are only available through an intermediary.

As to what an agent is suppose to do, that depends on which agent you meet 🤓

I have seen several cases now that families over pay > RM100k/year in insurance premiums for protection needs.
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RM 100K/ year premium, this type of story line not new.

I get annoyed especially when agent use the line, eh not that I don't want to do your business but I got client who pay 100K, 200K ... 500K insurance premium cause they want to protect their wealth from creditor. I told them, why incur such cost buying insurance premium like that, just put money in trust and use the trust as a vehicle to invest. Money still (technically) yours and you don't suffer administration charges/commission/repricing issues.

Some people lucky maybe find big fish but out of 32million Malaysian people, there are just a handful who are really rich (not everyone is T20).

The proper insurance person will not come to a conclusion until he has provided detailed financial planning, not just gut feel as to how much protection one needs. That's my 2 cents worth.

This post has been edited by aurora97: Feb 2 2024, 02:59 PM
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post Feb 2 2024, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Feb 2 2024, 02:23 PM)
Customized plan as well as insurance plan that you can only get via agent.

Why get from agent compared to banca?

Very simple, just imagine you got a 3-month-old child now. The child got very sick.

Would you prefer to DIY feed it with herbs or some medicine from pharmacy?
Or you prefer to go see a Pediatric?

DIY, you slowly test one-by-one your own solution and maybe take longer to find the cure for the child or take wrong medication and your child end up dead; or
The pediatric can immediately investigate, diagnose and give you the cure.

Similarly, like myself, I can find out what's your financial problem, diagnose the matter with 20 insurance companies and give you the solution.

If don't need such service, also can, you slowly test & buy one-by-one which insurance plan is best for you. Afterall, insurance is a long-term plan. You can be buying the wrong insurance for the next 20 years wasting that money or getting the right insurance that you could have had and manage your finances better.

The choice is really up to different individual. Just live with the consequence thereafter.  nod.gif
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I am aware of what you say.

the first mistake is that the agent normally push product instead of doing financial planning first. Do an audit on the customer whether the plan the customer intends to purchase is sustainable or is over insured or what is the risk the customer intend to mitigate?

Aside from that, for products like medical, personal accident, disability etc... If I am alive, I would probably prefer the agent to do the leg work i.e. feel in the paper work and liaised with insurance company.

That being said, if I am talking about life insurance? If I die, do I really need an agent especially upon production of grant probate, death certificate and my nominee will automatically get the insured sum?
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post Feb 2 2024, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Feb 2 2024, 05:32 PM)
I like that you asked, amidst the agent-bashing going on.

I do have a handful of customers paying 6 and 7 figures in premiums annually.
And I was referred to a new uncle recently in is late 60s.
Long story short, he was ready to cough upwards of 90k to take up a life insurance for himself as his company benefit will cease as soon as he retires.
Heng ah. Jit pai hoseh liao loh  rclxm9.gif

However upon some questioning and understanding his situation a bit more, we ended up with just a medical insurance for himself.

I reasoned his way out of taking up a coverage that would be nice to have, but totally unnecessary.
He was ready to cash out his paid-up Universal Life policy (Singapore), but I talked him into retaining it. With good reason of course.

Now of course all this didn't happen all in one sitting.
I met with him a total of 4 times, before we met on a 5th time for the application to happen.

Now this guy owned and operated a VC firm in his time. Very shrewd guy and helped connect a lot of missing dots from the stories I hear from my existing clients (somehow my main customer base are 20 years my senior at least).
It has always made me wonder why is it that these somebodies would set aside the time needed with me, while my peers and many on this great forum just fail to see past my commissions.
I got to eat too, no?
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Completely understand agents like any other human also need to earn a living but I think the bad rap is due to agents who hard sell, push products and fail to understand the financial / risk aspect of the customer.

Don't get me wrong, I m also using an agent from Aia and I really appreciate the service his giving. We meet annually and he will first do a financial assessment, which takes about an hour and I have to go through all my income, expenditure, asset etc... I would say he earned his commission.

Nevertheless, I believe there are certain vanilla products out there that we can manage ourselves, like life insurance. Rest such as medical, PA, disability will still go through agent cause I have seen my agent do miracles for me.
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post Apr 9 2024, 10:29 AM

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Sifffuuu and senpai sekalian....

wan to ask, so my case is "car insurance". So my car insurance expired sometime in 2023, why is there a refund in surplus? I thought you pay the premium and that's it, why is there still surplus and what is it for? I am not against it, its free money after all, just want to know the rationale?
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post Apr 9 2024, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 9 2024, 10:31 AM)
Check what was written in the notes of the refund.
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One SMS surplus paid XXX and that's it and money appear in my account. Not even a note or receipt. I have no clue what is it for. Not a scam by the way, all the details match.
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post Apr 9 2024, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Apr 9 2024, 10:38 AM)
Was it a takaful? It's normal for takaful to have surplus sharing (refund) if there's no claim.
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Seriously, I have been wondering what is the benefit between Takaful and conventional all this while. I was using Etiqa Takaful previous, this time itching fingers changed to Etiqa Conventional.

Actually I got two refunds, one for RM 26 (28 Mar 2024) and now RM 252 (9 April 2024)?? Shouldn't refunds be at one go???
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QUOTE(KyoLee @ Apr 9 2024, 10:39 AM)
Was it a Takaful car insurance company? Because in Islamic finance, they are required to pay the surplus back to contributors if there is any excess, so it is normal.
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