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HumbleBF
post May 22 2021, 01:24 PM

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Hi guys, I need a quotation from AIA, Allianz, Prudential, or AXA

My details: 25, Non-smoker, asthmatic but very very light last seen doctor for this is probably 3 years ago, using blue inhaler only when needed

Please quote me:

Plan A :
1. Life insurance -100k
2. CI- 50K (36 Illness)
3. Early stage CI 50K
4. Medical card (1mil -2mil annual)
5. With waiver of premium
6. Accident as a top up

Note: NON - INVESTMENT LINKED PLAN.
Term: to 70years and 80 years ( means need 2 price for this)

Plan B:
Same as above but ILP.


HumbleBF
post May 22 2021, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(Euler @ May 22 2021, 06:49 PM)
Not sure why your preferred is NON-ILP, maybe you have tired google and read some bad reviews for ILP in other countries etc.
However, for Malaysia, ILP typically will always give you the best deals, especially if you are looking for multiple combined coverage.
Malaysia ILP market is rather unique vs many other countries, as in Malaysia ILP is the key product, hence intense competition.
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I am actually looking to fix the cost of insurance till the term of 70 years -80 years old.

By this way, isnt it means I am able to save for my future (as insurance cost will keep increasing yearly)

Understand that the premium will be way higher than ILP. So I want to see whether I can afford that.

I prefer to keep my investments and insurance separately if possible
HumbleBF
post May 22 2021, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 22 2021, 09:36 PM)
if the cost of insurance is re-adjusted higher overtime then the premium payable will need to increase.
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Will there be policies which I can lock on the cost of insurance now?

By agreeing on a higher premium?
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post May 23 2021, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(Euler @ May 23 2021, 12:47 PM)
Only the medical (and sometimes critical illness) will have the premium revision, and this is unavoidable.

A traditional medical insurance will have premium revision as well. It is still relatively uncommon now due to the small size, and for some insurers, they feel that the cost for system enhancement will less than the new revised premium.

ILP = investment + insurance is quite a common misconception.

Say if you purchase an ILP, and select 70 as the expiry age, this indicates that you will get back 0 (assume fund return as expected) at the end of policy term, and this implies that your ILP is 100% protection, which in this simplified example, is exactly similar to a conventional product.

Of course, back in old time, or even right now, many agents will intentionally "apply" a high premium to their customers, instead of select the lowest possible premium, to earn higher commission upfront.
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Hey, thanks for clarifying. Seems like I'm unable to avoid the premium revision. And thus, no point for a non-ILP.

I highly doubt the returns of ILP will be expected and also it does have extra fees I believe that will eat up the returns isn't it?

Understand that agents will intentionally bump up premiums, but I do understand that we are also able to customize the sum assured in order to lower down the premium right?

agents commission will be gain throughout the first year of our policies?


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post May 23 2021, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(gooroojee @ May 23 2021, 04:43 PM)
My ILP has half the cash value of my traditional insurance..  and I got a notice to top up if I want it to last until 70. At least 10k.
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Haix...you see that's what I want to avoid....

I don't trust their "projected" returns

But there's seems to be no other way to fix cost of insurance as previous mentioned even traditional have a slightly bump up in insurance premium.

Hmm, maybe traditional insurance bump may not be so significant as the ILP
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post May 23 2021, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(Euler @ May 23 2021, 09:09 PM)
If not mistaken, the assumed projected return is 5%.

Of course year-to-year, it will not be 5%, especially KLCI is very underperforming now, but overall, say over 20 years, it is not unreasonable to expect to gain 5%.
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If over 20 year period to gain 5%, this is damn easy.

On insurance, their illustration they will show y-o-y 2%-5% gain isn't it..

So ILP gains in investment is super low + not very sustainable. Have to take consideration of the annual fees as well. Can't really help to sustain.

If I have a choice I would want as less as possible from my premium to go into ILP Investments and i'll take the money and invest elsewhere to gain compound interest
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post May 26 2021, 04:47 PM

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Correct me if I'm wrong regarding hospitalisation claims process,

We are suppose to get a Guarantee Letter from our company and pass to our hospital, then the hospital will liaise with the insurance company?

In the case of emergency, what happens if we had been hospitalised, will we be required to pay the bills upfront?or we skip the GL part and provide medical card only?

All insurance companies required GL?
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post May 26 2021, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 26 2021, 05:28 PM)
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Edited out certain details so that it doesn't advertise a specific insurance company  smile.gif
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Thanks! so it seems like all companies have same procedure
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post Dec 23 2021, 07:22 PM

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Why do we need Investment linked policy, if we can purchase stand-alone medical card?

Or is stand-alone medical card not available in most of the insurance company?
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post Aug 12 2022, 05:23 PM

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I have a question. My current insurance plan estimated annual premium will be sufficient till around age 40~50. It includes life, CI, and Medical.

If I were to purchase a medical card only when I hit that age it will be very expensive right? If I subscribe a medical card only plan now, will it be able to last longer and price will not increase?
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post Aug 12 2022, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Aug 12 2022, 05:44 PM)
1. You will pay the premium that is required at that age which depends on the benefit that you sign up for.

2. Depends if the plan you register is a term or ILP. The premium required will be lower if you register earlier than later.
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mine is a ILP, but their estimated lifespan is till 40~50 years, will it be possible for them to lock in to a 100 years by me paying a higher premium? I'm just hoping if I am able to lock in the costs as I'm pretty sure when i hit 40-50 it will be damn expensive.


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post Aug 13 2022, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(ping325 @ Aug 12 2022, 11:04 PM)
Which insurance company ?
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Hong Leong
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post Aug 13 2022, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Aug 13 2022, 08:10 AM)
There's 2 possible impact

1) if you buy medical when you are older, you will pay more
2) if you buy later, you might be not be as healthy and may be excluded for certain conditions OR will need pay more premium due to loading OR both.

having say that, because you are holding an ILP plan, your medical charges are being deducted every month, and it will increase as you get older anyway.

when your charges goes very high, you will need to increase your premium anyway. premium and insurance charges are not the same and not equivalent

If the estimate is until age 40 to 50, it's rather short. in theory, you can increase your premium to ensure longer sustainability. age 70, age 80.

most importantly, check if your policy can cover you up to age 100, if can, then the "easy" job is, you need to make sure you pay more so that you can sustain it for as long as you want it and continue to monitor it.

Regulation has helped. You should at least read the annual statement sent to you by Hong Leong Assurance every year, to know where your policy is. you dont need to check every month UNLESS you dont have to pay on time la.
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Yes my policy does cover until age 100, with that being said isn't it the same if i continue paying the same premium vs paying a higher premium when I am age 40~ 50?

Since the costs increases anyways for both scenario, why would it make sense to pay more premium now?
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post Aug 13 2022, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(denion @ Aug 13 2022, 04:14 PM)
hi HumbleBF, i believe you are notified through the annual sustainability notice you received early in the year right? if yes, check is it also stating that you are advised to top up an X amount of premium for the policy to sustain until certain age.
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I don't receive this type of statement besides the regular annual statement. I can't find it even in HLA portal
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post Aug 17 2022, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(denion @ Aug 17 2022, 12:08 AM)
just wanna confirm did you receive a letter stating that the policy can sustain until 40~50 years old?
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Its in my policy under the projection
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post Aug 17 2022, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Aug 14 2022, 06:42 PM)
In theory yes. My question to you is... can you guarantee, double confirm, you can monitor your policy regularly and ensure you pay higher premium at the right time?

Can you confirm if by then you need to pay extra 100 a month, you can fork out then vs if you fork out extra 50 per ch omonth today?

Hypothetical example above. Fork out now is like putting it in the tabung now. But if you are clear on how to manage, can fork out later la. But even for ppl like me, i wont cut it that close. So many things to monitor, later really oops, forgot.

Assuming HLA is good at managing your investment fund averaging 6% to 8% long term for equity, paying them earlier does not seem like a bad thing.

But... honestly i doubt it will hit this range. My doubt is not specific to HLA but to all fund managers in general but i'm sceptical.
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I've did a research on the funds net returns after fees based on its fact sheet, few of its top funds seems like it showing average 5 -10% Returns. in the past few years. However, when comparing with their benchmarks it seems to be way underperform
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post Sep 7 2023, 06:29 PM

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My partner is looking for a lady insurance same like PRULady or AIA-Life A-Life Lady. She already has medical insurance etc. Wondering if there is any other companies that offer similar? This is so that we can compare the premiums and benefits. Does anyone else get these type of insurance?

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