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post Oct 31 2021, 10:26 AM

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Hi, this is my current ILP plan. (Pic Attached)

I'm thinking of increasing my Annual Limit on the Medical Card & adding Riders.

1. If I wish to increase my Death/TPD or CI coverage, would it cost less to upgrade my current Rider or to buy a standalone Term Life Online Policy (until 80yrs coverage) ?

2. Can I upgrade my current plan to the Smart Medic Million + Extender & upgrade my Riders, Without Underwriting again ?

3. Would it be better to collect my surrender value & change to Allianz Medisafe Infinite+, as it provides better additional benefits (20% NCB Discount & Traditional Medicine/2nd Opinion) OR should I just continue with Great Eastern because I've already paid the Agent's fee ?

4. A relative of mine has an AIA Excelife Whole Life Policy.
Is it possible to Withdraw the Cash Value & still maintain coverage by paying the premium annually ?

All research so far says No, however, an Insurance Agent, said Yes. I'm wondering if he's confused Whole Life with ILP ?

Apologies for so many questions.

Thanks in advance, been researching Insurance for the past 3 days. I'm confident I can explain insurance policies better than 50% of Agents smile.gif

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post Oct 31 2021, 06:33 PM

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Thanks.

I'll most likely switch to a new insurer, as I'm not really bothered as to the savings option in the ILP (just changed to Fixed Return Fund, my previous fund had a CAGR of 0.3% after 7 years sleep.gif), and the NCB would probably cover the Agent's Commission in the long run.

Is there any standalone Medical Card that has annual limit of 1million or more & Guaranteed Renewal ?
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post Oct 31 2021, 06:38 PM

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It seems possible, IMO.
But, I'm no expert in Insurance sad.gif
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post Nov 1 2021, 02:24 AM

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QUOTE(Ewa Wa @ Oct 31 2021, 09:15 PM)


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Add in Smart Extender (SE), to make ur annual limit from RM144K to RM1.2mil annually. (get more advise from ur agent). By adding this SE, any admission still have SMX to go for.

Can this be done without underwriting ? Doesn't the SE cause my coverage to have a deductible ? (Image 1)


FYI, whole life has cash bonus not cash value (traditional plan).

This may be a Traditional Plan (purchased in 1992) (Image 2)

Am I right to believe that this policy will either:

A) Pay only the Face Value OR
B) Pay the Surrender Value

The original policy contract, to my understanding, states that it will pay out the Face Value / Surrender Value
OR may be converted into Fully Paid-up / Extended Term-Life


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post Nov 1 2021, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(zannisenhart @ Nov 1 2021, 11:19 AM)
Hi,
Good day. Want to ask, is there insurance plan like cover critical illness until age 80 ke. But you pay until certainage 65 like that..
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Great Eastern Critical Care Direct

The above plan is Fully Online, No Agent Commission & covers until 81yrs old, but must be advanced stage critical illnesses. It's a Term Plan, u won't get any money back if u reach 80yrs old.


U can also check ILP for Critical Illness with Early Payout (They pay u % of the Total Amount if u get Early Stages Critical Illness.) & got Savings if u reach 81yrs.


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post Nov 3 2021, 04:04 AM

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QUOTE(Ewa Wa @ Nov 2 2021, 03:04 PM)


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This is the statement for the Whole Life plan. Can you confirm if it's Traditional Whole Life ?


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post Nov 3 2021, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Nov 3 2021, 11:27 AM)
That's the Excelife policy.

What do you need to know about it?
I have the exact same policy for years.
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Am I right to believe that this policy will Pay the Higher of :
A)Face Value
OR
B)Surrender Value

How does Converting into Fully Paid-up or Extended Term-Life work ?


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post Nov 3 2021, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Nov 3 2021, 09:03 PM)
hmmm how come i can't open?

try my best to explain Fully Paid up vs Extended Term-Life

Full Paid up means, if you stop paying now, what coverage amount will you enjoy until age 100 (if your original is also age 100)

so if your coverage now is RM100k, depending on the factor applicable, if you paid up now, maybe is RM40,000 until age 100

Extended Term Life means, if you stop paying now, how long will the RM100k last (instead of age 100), maybe until age 50.

Agak-agak ya. need to read the policy. i forgot where is mine, i also buy similar plan but different company

note that after any of these 2 action, no more frill benefits. just death/TPD coverage.
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1 last question.

If I were to surrender my policy, is the interest:
A) Paid Annually on Policy Anniversary Date
OR
B) Calculated from the last Policy Anniversary Date till current day

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post Nov 17 2021, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Nov 5 2021, 11:04 AM)
It pays the sum insured + dividends + terminal dividends.

To convert to ETI, you can head up to the servicing branch and fill up the form.
Based on your dividends available, the policy will be reduced to only cover for Life up to x amount of years.
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Just to confirm, based on this policy statement.


If a Claim is successfully made, the payout would be :

Sum Insured (Face Value) of RM 50,000 + Dividend of RM 552 + Terminal Dividend of RM 14,176 = RM 64,728

& the Guaranteed Cash Value of RM 9,977 is kept by the insurer (AIA).


Is this correct ?


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post Nov 18 2021, 01:40 AM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Nov 17 2021, 05:58 PM)
No lah, none of it will be kept by the insurer.
The Guaranteed Cash Value will also be paid out.

In the event of a Death Claim, nothing is to be left in the policy, and the policy terminates.
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So, if I surrender the policy now, I get paid the Surrender Value.

& in the event of a Death Claim, my next of kin, will get Surrender Value + Insured Value (Face Value).


Correct ?

Seems too good to be true

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post Nov 23 2021, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Nov 19 2021, 10:51 AM)
Sorry ah, some correction to be made:

In the event of a surrender, you get  Dividends + Guaranteed Cash Value, as shown in the statement you received.

In the event of a death claim, your nominee gets the Sum Insured + Dividends + Terminal Dividends (if any).

Ni confirm betul. I checked back on a recent claim.
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So, is there any way to reduce the Guaranteed Cash Value of my policy ?

I only know I can pay premiums from the investment return, but the Guaranteed Cash Value won't change.


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post Nov 27 2021, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Nov 24 2021, 01:06 PM)
Yes, this is correct and accurate information. And I believe it is the same across the Life Insurance industry.

Why the underwriters (and myself) are so confident regarding this is because jack2 is looking for just a Life coverage.
The current ILP fund projections are limited to a maximum of 5%. Which both you and I know that capping an equity fund projection at 5%p.a. is really an overly conservative view, especially when we're talking about a long-term horizon in this case.

So yes, if the quotation systems (which is set to abide by BNM guidelines) is able to generate the quotation, then yes, it should sustain to whatever age selected, even with a 2%p.a. projection.
With that said, is there a chance that Malaysians suddenly experience a greater mortality rate than right now? So much so that it disrupts the current demographic statistics to be skewed WAY off? YES! The possibility is always there!
IF and WHEN it happens, of course it will hike the COI, and jack2 will receive a letter notifying him to increase his premiums by X amount.
Even then, it is merely an option or suggestion to cough up more premiums. It is not absolute. Only at that point, sustainability becomes an issue.

What's the problem here?
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The ILP Projection of 5% is more realistic.

But, still got tons of ILP Funds that failed to meet that target.

I got an average of 0.5% after Fees over the last 8 years.

I switched to Fixed Fund. I'm just glad my fund didn't lose money, unlike AIA funds.

 

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