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post Jan 18 2022, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 8 2022, 07:10 AM)
Since the TA had already being signed, I guess nothing can be changed if that person that stand to gain more does not agree,... Just willing seller n wiling buyer leading to signing of TA.
Can hv better negotiation power before signing the agreement.
Better hv that property management spell out their definition of "qualified person".....
Just my 2 cents b4 coffee
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Yep, I've decided not to work with the biz owner.
He doesn't seem to understand the situation, despite repeatedly reminding him unless there is an amendment to the TA or an endorsement to the TA is issued, he has to abide by the requirements under the current TA.
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post Feb 28 2022, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(ICDeadPeople @ Feb 28 2022, 11:18 AM)
Prudential.
I have 8 policies worth more than 10k annual. (my previous agent was a sneaky guy).
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Quite frankly, I think your agent is cutting to the bottom for the policies he done for you.

I consider myself a very middle-class person (got properties, 2 cars, baby on the way).

For my family insurance, I pay about 30k annually.

I still trade on the market, some unit trusts, contribute PRS, invest in properties, some cryptos, etc.

I also have customers paying 100k-200k annually on personal insurance premiums. This is in accordance to their needs, and of course, some of the more recent policies would command a higher premium due to their age.

It's quite difficult to be "overpaying" for your coverages, unless those products do not meet your needs or are not suitable for the intended purpose.


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post Mar 22 2022, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(bananapie2017 @ Mar 12 2022, 01:01 PM)
Hi all, please advise whether should i upgrade my medical plan and sum assured or buy a new plan!
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This is what I will do if I were you:

1. Talk to your servicing Life Planner to understand the options available to you in terms of an upgrade.
2. I will ask in the case of an upgrade, does waiting periods and contestable period apply?
3. How about any prior medical conditions claimed under the policy (if any), will those be covered, or a fresh underwriting apply?

Regarding Life Sum Assured (I'm guessing you're referring to Life Sum Assured):

It may be in your best interest to buy it separately, as the COI may or may not be based on the Sum At Risk model.


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post Mar 24 2022, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(onthefly @ Mar 24 2022, 02:02 AM)
Do you know which are the riders?
Generally i would suggest to get a quote of top companies.
Why the range so big gap. 80% is insane.

Is it only one so far? if only one company increase, one would naturally that the affected company's investment portion is bad or companies had lots of claim made, creating unbalance sustainability.
Is it correct to think in that sense ?  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Mar 24 2022, 09:39 AM)
Bank Negara does look into these issues quite seriously. truth be told, the real reason of claim is purely just medical inflation. nothing that "serious" per se

If your teh tarik price increase from RM2.70 to RM3, then same goes to Medical Supplies also.

every year, there will be at least one company doing medical repricing. it's a cycle.

Is there anything you can do to avoid this? No, not really. just like you can't avoid the teh tarik price increased to RM3.

Is there anything customers can do to mitigate the effects? well, you sort-of can, buy medical plans with deductible or Co-insurance. In theory, those plans are cheaper. so even if increase 30% or 50%, it's still 30% and 50% of a smaller number. My own medical plan also increase price even though deductible 15,000.
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Just to chime in on the issue of rate hikes, I'd like to offer some clarity if I may.

In terms of the ILP plans, and subsequently their respective funds, as a consumer, we can always find out on the fund performance online, what are the focus areas of the funds, and who are the ones behind said funds. These are all very transparent.

Fund performance aside, there is also the crux of the issue - Cost of Insurance.
Now, just like what's mentioned above, medical inflation is a very real issue and it affects all of us.
Deductibles and co-insurance are ways to help soften the impact of ever increasing COI.
Let's take for example, there are many products in the market now that offers a deductible of RM 300 and up to RM20,000 now.
Of course, the higher the deductible, the lower premiums you have to pay.
In the case of a claim, we just cough up the deductible amount, and the insurer takes care of the rest.
Essentially, we are self-insuring the deductible amount. (In the case of a person without insurance, he/she is self-insuring the whole amount).

It is just the matter of risk transfer, how much to transfer, etc.
For some, 10k is a significant amount to withdraw in times of need.
For others, 20k is perfectly within their comfort zone to utilize as they wish.

No right, no wrong, it is just about finding the best fit.

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post Mar 24 2022, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 24 2022, 04:19 PM)
You are going out of context of the main topic. It's not about the question of Deductible options. But rather to address options to reduce cost in the event of increase in Cost of Insurance.

What are the options available to you as a policy holder? you either:-
1. Pay the higher premium to maintain the similar benefit
2. Downgrade the plan if there is a lower plan to reduce the premium
3. Downgrade the plan by applying deductible / co-insurance.

Overall, you'll be paying more - one way or another. In other words, if you pick option 2 or 3, you'll be enjoying an inferior quality of your original plan by subjecting yourself to pay additional on top of what is supposedly covered entirely by the insurance company.

Let's take an example.

John pays RM200 monthly for his insurance with no deductible. Now, John is advised to pay RM360 monthly to maintain his benefits. John does not want to pay more and opt for deductible. Now John pays RM250 monthly but with a deductible of RM3,000.

Scenario 1. (Before the increment)
Surgery Cost RM100,000
John yearly premium RM2,400 (200 x 12)
John medical plan - RM0 deductible.

John's cost for that year RM2,400.

Scenario 2. (After the increment)
Nothing happens to John this year
John yearly premium RM3,000 (250 x 12)
John medical plan - RM3,000 deductible.

John's cost for that year RM3,000 (+25%) of the original 2400 premium.

Scenario 3. (After the increment)
Surgery Cost RM100,000
John yearly premium RM3,000 (250 x 12)
John medical plan - RM3,000 deductible.

John's cost for that year RM3,000 + RM3,000 = RM6,000 (+250%) of the original 2400 premium.

In other words, at any point of time, if there is no claims, you are already paying +25% higher premium. If there is a claim, your cost would shoot up to +250%

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Let's take the forummer's suggestion here to keep "increasing" the deductible higher as the cost increases to maintain the same or lower premium.

Scenario 1. (Before the increment)
Surgery Cost RM100,000
John yearly premium RM2,400 (200 x 12)
John medical plan - RM0 deductible.

John's cost for that year RM2,400.

Scenario 2. (After the incremenet)
Nothing happens to John this year
John yearly premium RM3,000 (250 x 12)
John medical plan - RM10,000 deductible.

John's cost for that year RM3,000 (+25%) of the original 2400 premium.

Scenario 3. (After the incremenet)
Surgery Cost RM100,000
John yearly premium RM3,000 (250 x 12)
John medical plan - RM10,000 deductible.

John's cost for that year RM3,000 + RM10,000 = RM13,000 (+541.67%) of the original 2400 premium.

In other words, at any point of time, if there is no claims, you are already paying +25% higher premium. If there is a claim, your cost would shoot up to +541.67%
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I don't think anybody mentioned anything about "keep increasing the deductible higher" just to avoid paying the revised premiums for sustainability.

Besides, I hope you can also help enlighten me as well as all of us here, which company in which round of medical rate hike, increased any of their cost of insurance by 80%?
It was what you claimed, 10% to 80%, is it not?


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post Mar 24 2022, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 24 2022, 05:09 PM)
Such info are not circulated to the public, I'm sure you are very aware of this as a fellow insurance agent.

I've also mention earlier that this will take place by end of March.

I don't think I need to "prove" myself that such info is real or false. Just wait and see.
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Kindly refrain from mentioning me as your equal.
Because I am not. I am a premier advisor. I do not sell fear, and I certainly do not predict the future.
I have some insight and opinions, but I have a tendency to keep them to myself.
Due to the fact that they are my personal thoughts and observations, and I do not participate in product development, nor play an active role in pricing and strategies.

The other reason I am not your equal, is because I am not god.
I do not have the privilege to make up statements and claims without having to provide evidence.
Perhaps you would benefit from adopting my practices.

Unless, of course, if you are god.
Then please forgive my trespasses, if I have overstepped in any of my postings in this realm where you are a god.
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post Mar 24 2022, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 24 2022, 05:55 PM)
Indeed, you're not my equal, you're just an insurance agent. Neither did I mention you are my equal in the first place. You should also learn what is work ethic when your workplace mention specifically what information can be shared internally and externally. If not, please go back and learn what is it by contacting your Director of Agency (DOA).
Seriously, I think you need to stop mis-leading people, an insurance agent is an insurance agent, there is no such thing as "Premier Advisor". Please show me the provision to call you a "Premier Advisor" that is available in LIAM or BNM. I'll gladly address you that in the future if you can show me. If you come up with excuses, that just means you're not a "Premier Advisor".

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-Snippet from LIAM Code of Ethics and Conduct.
I'm not sure where did this sarcasm comes from, obviously not very professional of you to say such things when you're contributing your input and I commenting it with remarks but seems to me, you're unhappy about it and replied rather childishly.

If you can't take a debate as a neutral party to point out the good and bad on how the cost of insurance would impact. How are you going to advise your clients properly? - by saying "Oh I'm neutral, I look into their Customer Fact Find, I reply others by saying they are god, I am sorry to trespass them".
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Okay lah, let you win.

Dah happy?
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post Mar 24 2022, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 24 2022, 06:13 PM)
Nothing about winning or losing. If an information is wrong or mis-leading; just simply correct it and move on and don't repeat the same mistake. That's how everyone can learn to be better in this career.

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Wah, thank you so much for the advice. thumbup.gif
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post Aug 8 2022, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(rexus @ Aug 8 2022, 12:36 PM)
What's the general consensus on how much CI coverage one needs?

3-6 years of your monthly income?
3-6 years of your monthly expenses?
others?
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What's your expectations and/or objectives?
What do you want to achieve out of a CI coverage?


These questions are important because it gives a direction on where we can start, and a direction.

Otherwise, the "guessing game" is just wasting everybody's time.

Why I sound macam so arrogant leh?
It's not that I'm very arrogant or other Life Planners are lazy.
There are so many different kinds of CI products, each with their own strengths and features.
With some guiding principles set by you, then it makes for a more targeted, more effective discussion with the goal to arrive at a plan that works to your terms.

Same like when we look up information on google, we key in specific keywords so the search results are targeted and relevant, kan?


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post Aug 19 2022, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(HumbleBF @ Aug 17 2022, 11:30 PM)
I've did a research on the funds net returns after fees based on its fact sheet, few of its top funds seems like it showing average  5 -10% Returns. in the past few years. However, when comparing with their benchmarks it seems to be way underperform
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As is the nature of all investment portfolios:
current track record does not guarantee future performance to be the same.
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post Sep 1 2022, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(andrewmky @ Aug 29 2022, 09:48 PM)

A side question: If I have a pre-existing illness (Internal fixation at radius and ulna from 2018), will the new insurance cover this removal? If no, am I able to approach back to that insurance company from 2018 to continue back their insurance policy?
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Regarding your "insurance company from 2018", is that policy still in force?
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post Oct 28 2022, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Oct 25 2022, 05:18 PM)
Best plan is only best in the policy until the insured make a claim.
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Best plan is a plan that is in force. thumbsup.gif
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post Nov 2 2022, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(xDjWanNabex @ Nov 1 2022, 02:56 PM)
1) how can we say how much is enough? the same insurance plan for 1m is at 580 a month for 20 years. at 400 additional, i thought it was worth it.
2) i have looked at other plans online, but its not giving me a proper breakdown of the charges/compensations hence why i was seeking feedback from people who has purchased life insurance recently.
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How much, or rather, what range is within the range of "worth it"?

Then what's the threshold that tips it over to "not worth it"?
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post Nov 20 2022, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(donhay @ Nov 15 2022, 03:58 PM)
My child is 10yo now, what are the pros and cons for getting a education saving plan now?

I cannot decide. thanks
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Don't.
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post Nov 25 2022, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(rocketm @ Nov 21 2022, 03:34 AM)
Hi, I have some questions about nominee/beneficiary and will for AIA insurance.

1. Can I appoint nominee or beneficiary for my AIA insurance in MyAIA portal?

2. What is the formula to calculate how much the appointed nominee or beneficiary will get when I passed away?

3, Who will get the insurance proceed when the stated name in the will for the same policy number is different with the appointed nominee or beneficiary?

4. When trustee (policyholder's wife) is selected, will this trustee receive the insurance proceed, just like nominee/beneficiary, when the policyholder passed away?
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1. No. You will have to fill up the form either with your servicing agent, or you can go to any of the servicing branches to do so.

2. This is up to you to decide. Let's say your sum assured is "x". Then you can write down the details of each of your nominees, and put down whatever percentage (up to 100%) you'd like them to receive respectively. There's no formula. If you just want to show exactly how much you hate one of them, just give the person 1% and the other person 99%, also can. It is entirely up to you.

3. Insurance nomination takes precedence. Insurance nominations need not be included in the will. (Sorry, but it does sound like you're making it difficult for yourself).

4. Trustee is very different from nominee/beneficiary. A nominee/beneficiary receives the monies as their monies. How a nominee/beneficiary utilizes the insurance proceeds is entirely up to them. On the flip side, a trustee is holding the monies in trust. Which goes on to mean that the monies do not belong to the trustee, and the trustee is merely holding it on behalf of the actual beneficiaries. The trustee can only utilize the monies for the benefit of the beneficiaries.


The topic is actually very straight forward. Don't complicate it ya thumbsup.gif
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post Nov 30 2022, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 30 2022, 11:14 AM)
I am looking for medical card only without any ILP.. Requirements
1. Unlimited lifetime limit
2. Annual limit of RM500k-RM1m
3. Able to cover cost of single room i.e RM250-300
4. Able to buy online without any agent

I am open to AIA, Allianz, AXA, etiqa.
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Why specifically item 4?

Got agent to help with things, no good meh?
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post Nov 30 2022, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 30 2022, 02:45 PM)
Cause I don't need agent for hospitalisation as everything is fill up by hospital. Also why should I fatten insurance agent pocket and give them free holiday?
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Hmm... I believe there are some rather unfortunate prior experience you had.

Yes, you're not the first person who thinks like that, and you won't be the last.
But then right, banyak banyak people that thinks this way, yet so many insurance agents like myself are making a good career out of it. How come?
So many people in the world so gullible meh? Cannot be mah, right?

Yes, it is true, the hospital staff fills up all the forms, which is not what I am paid to do, and neither should you expect that from insurance agents like myself and many of my colleagues here.

To put in perspective, the products available via direct access are very stripped down, very basic products.
More sophisticated products like ILP and many other traditional policies are only made available through distribution channels like myself is with good reason.
So we won't have young adults buying savings plans to pay for their wedding within the next 10 years.

The element of time is paramount in all of our plans.
No matter what plan you buy, and how you pay, you will be paying either way.
Even if you don't buy, you will have bought too.
Either we opt to have a low upfront fee, or to save money in the long term, people like me can only show you what the long term commitments look like.
And if we can get you want you want in the way you want it, why would any of us do anything other than exactly that?

The whole economy is already pushing for sustainability.
That is making sure our customers do well, hence we do well.



Yea, totally not expecting to change your perspective with this long winded post la. biggrin.gif
But whoever gets it, gets it loh. thumbsup.gif


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post Nov 30 2022, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(ipat88 @ Nov 30 2022, 07:37 PM)
Hi sifus,

recently I bought a new car, expected delivery on 2nd week of December

my current car insurance n road tax expired on 6 of December
and my SA suggest to me to let my current car insurance expired as it will be much easier to transfer the NCD to the new car later. somemore the the car will arrive around one week after my current car insurance expired.

but im quite worried incase something happen in between these 1week.

my question is, can I renew my current car insurance now for a new 0 % NCD and reserved my current 55% NCD for my next car which not yet registered?

or should i just renew now and then withdraw the NCD after i received the new car?
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Calm down bro.
1. Your car NCD won't just disappear after 1 week.
2. Even when your car insurance expires, you'll need to call your insurer to release your NCD in order for the SA or whoever does your car insurance to capture it.

So just go ahead and renew your current car insurance as usual.
Then when your new car arrives, you can then transfer your NCD to the new car, then pay the balance (of your current car insurance).

Apa susah?
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post Dec 1 2022, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 1 2022, 09:00 AM)
End buyer is the losing person. sad.gif
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I don't think anybody "loses."

We're just in an integrated economy that complements one another. thumbup.gif

It is just that it is human nature that we project ourselves onto others, hence we act accordingly to how we perceive we would act in the other person's shoes.

No harm no foul, I'm glad you engaged an IFP too. thumbsup.gif

*hint hint*
Some of us here are certified planners too.
Like you said, this is a forum to share ideas, maybe we keep it that way?
We are also doing what we can to contribute to this forum as best we can. icon_idea.gif

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post Dec 1 2022, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Dec 1 2022, 12:07 PM)
I doubted that could happens. He believes he knows more than IFP and thus why should he fatten IFP pocket and give them free holiday?
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You're right lah

Heng ah! laugh.gif

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