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Ramjade
post Apr 6 2024, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Apr 6 2024, 10:22 AM)
If you listened to those agents, that told you, it is still affordable and okay to allocates 10% of your income for insurance purchases...
then just remember, that premium paid years ago can "exponentially" grow to 50k.  That 50k annual premium would means about 500k income pa.
That would definitely be an "ouch" for many especially when one is near or are at retirement age/ no income/lesser income
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That's why I said time and time again, don't listen to agent. Agent always pushing for nice to have. Cause more stuff you buy from them , more commission they get. But only what you need.
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post Apr 9 2024, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Apr 9 2024, 10:44 AM)
I do have the same thought, since premium increase is uncertain and given the inflation cost there is possibility one cannot afford to pay long after retirement. Then consider the plan will lapse, and all the hard work you put into getting the medical card become useless?
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Yes that's right. I always say that is insurance company way of being polite and tell you I have milked you enough. Now I know you are going to claim and I don't want to pay for your claims. Kindly f**k off. If you want to stay around, pay us more.

If you are like me, hang out with the Singaporeans who write financial blogs, they got lots of ideas in how to plan your insurance journey so it won't be burdensome to you.

He calculated how much insurance he will need for old age, planned and set aside that amount with additional buffer.

Some bloggers who are super rich also tell you that insurance is for you to protect yourself until when you are able to self inure yourself. No need to depend on insurance your whole life. Lots of style.

QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Apr 9 2024, 11:21 AM)
This thread really has zero tolerance for different point of view.
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Normal la. Now only you know. That's why I try to stay away from this section. Super toxic and not very non insurance friendly.

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post Apr 9 2024, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(lola88 @ Apr 9 2024, 12:57 PM)
Thanks fr sharing. If u dont mind could u pm me the financial blogs abt insurance ?
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Sure no problem. I got nothing to hide. So just put it here unless someone doesn't like it and report it.
https://investmentmoats.com/
https://singaporeanstocksinvestor.blogspot.com/?m=1

If you want more specific type the follwoing into Google
site:investmentmoats.com insurance
site:singaporeanstocksinvestor.blogspot.com insurance

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post Apr 19 2024, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(Xflkekw @ Apr 19 2024, 04:38 PM)
So that means I should have sign up insurance first then only went for eye check up? walao eh.

Because the ophthalmologist say my cataract very minor. can ignore for now no need remove yet since I still very young. So even if I wait until like  40-50 years baru do cataract surgery also cannot claim ah?  bangwall.gif
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Yes that's right.
Ramjade
post Apr 25 2024, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(shaniandras2787 @ Apr 25 2024, 03:24 PM)
I have a question regarding medical insurance.

I recently decided to subscribe to a medical insurance policy and so I was prompted to declare all of my previous / past medical histories (just gastritis actually). Upon submission, the insurance company countered with an offer that my policy will have "any matter related to gastritis, gastritis ulcers and incidental thereto" excluded.

Is this normal or the insurance company is trying to be difficult?
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Yes normal. Any existing illness won't be covered cause once get you can get it again. Unless somehow you can show them you got no symptoms or consultation for 5 years. But that one also insurance will exclude it.
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post Apr 26 2024, 07:10 AM

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QUOTE(amerz @ Apr 25 2024, 04:06 PM)
Anyone took Generali eCritical Early Care ?

https://letsgoforlife.com/buy/online-critic...s-plan-malaysia

Does the yearly premium increase according to age base on the Premium Rates table after we purchase ?

https://generali-malaysia.webflow.io/wf-ass...ly-care-pds-pdf
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Forget critical illness insurance in Malaysia. Go with sg version instead. Cheaper, more coverage. Fixed pricing. Personal experience. AIA charges me RM14k/year for 500k worth of coverage.

Singlife only charges me for RM7k/year for RM500k with booster and multiplier. (Coverage come up to around RM1m for RM7k/year).

Both offered me fixed pricing. Coverage was around to 60 years old.

Only downside
1. Travel down to Singapore to buy the product. It cannot be bought online. Signing of the insurance needs to happen in Singapore soil.
2. Priced in SGD
3. All claims need to be notary certified and post to SG.

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post Apr 26 2024, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(lola88 @ Apr 26 2024, 11:19 PM)
Rm14k per year from AIA? May I ask why so expensive for your age? I am in early 30s and my monthly ILP is about rm270 for 1 million coverage.

Also just wondering if u buy SG insurance, if u need to claim , would it be a hassle if there’s no agent to
help?
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Cause I want early critical illness coverage. If you buy traditional critical illness coverage it's cheap. Cause you will be half dead and they they pay you. You go see what critical illness is in your ILP.

Early critical illness won't be half dead. Early critical illness is expensive as likely you are going to claim vs late critical illness. The more early critical illness coverage you have, the more expensive it is.

All you need is doctor report with chop and signature, certified with notary, post it down to Singapore and you are done.

Of course all critical illness have to fulfilled definition and must survive. If you don't fulfilled definition or you died, you won't get paid.

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post Apr 27 2024, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(lola88 @ Apr 27 2024, 12:45 PM)
I just contacted my agent, he said my CI covers payout of RM 100k for early/mid/late stage CI. Eg: if a person gt diagnosed at Stage 2, will get a payout of RM 50k and  another payout (the remaining 50%) will be paid if disease progresses to late stage. The payout from CI category is to cover loss of income.

He said treatment that involves Chemo/Radiotheraphy, surgery, ICU stays will be covered under Medical
claim of 1.38mil coverage.
If I interpret correctly, your AIA agent mentioned that the CI coverage only covers treatment for late stage?
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I don't do ILP. I only want standalone insurance. Critical illness insurance purpose is for you to no need to work and hopefully you can recover. The higher your coverage, the higher your premium.

You can choose what critical illness to buy. You can buy the normal which is late stage critical illness coverage only or you can choose to have both. Late usually you are quite dead already. That's why is cheap. Unlikely you can claim it.

That's why Singapore version is superior to Malaysia. There is no 50%. If you got early cancer, you can claim x amount. If it progress to late, you can claim like 200% of coverage. Let us say somehow you recover and illness came back after 2y, you can claim for relapses (another 200% coverage), if you recover 10 years later you got another critical illness which is not related say massive heart attack or stroke, you can claim another 200% (total 600% coverage). There no such plan in Malaysia.

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post Apr 30 2024, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(codercoder @ Apr 30 2024, 02:49 PM)
My daughter medical card is AIA plan 2, 1.5 mil annual limit. Now agent said got option to upgrade to unlimited annual limit. 1.5 mil annual limit not enough nowadays?
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More than enough. There's always catch. They won't offer you truly unlimited. Read the fine print carefully. Not just the brochure or pamphlet.
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post May 2 2024, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(codercoder @ May 2 2024, 09:26 AM)
Hi, anyone heard of Medisaver medical card from longpac? My friend recommended me to switch my daughter medical card from AIA to Medisaver. Premium that I am paying now can be reduced with even more benefits coz no need agent commission. no annual limit (now my aia annual limit is 1.5mil). also Got doc to support for the claim. What is your opinion? Anyone here switched before?
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It's legit. You wont lose much except post hospitalisation coverage. Theirs is 60 days only while AIA is 120 days to 180 days. Depending on plan. Lonpac is part of public bank. You won't see people recommend medisavers here cause no commission for them.

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post May 2 2024, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 2 2024, 09:44 AM)
You'll be losing out on the better coverage as well as better quality of service..

But otherwise, it's your call if you would like to save a few more bucks.  wink.gif
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If you don't mind lesser post hospitalisation coverage, can go for medisavers. The cheapest option is gathersave.

No agent is no big deal for me. You can practically do everything yourself if you read and fill up the forms correctly.

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QUOTE(codercoder @ May 2 2024, 10:03 AM)
what is gathersave? from medisavers?
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Crowd sharing not profit medical funding.
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post May 2 2024, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 2 2024, 10:17 AM)
Did I seem to be replying to you? no? Why take into heart? You don't need convincing from me or anyone else since you're so "knowledgeable" already.

You are just here to try to convince everyone to buy elsewhere than agents even if you had no personal experience with whatever you recommend but you yourself said you bought AIA from agent yourself for your OWN insurance.

Oh, but why?

Because you're just pissed that you sounded like an idiot from the start when you first came into the thread and can't stand to be corrected by us. But nevertheless, you'll claim we are toxic / useless.

Also, I'm still waiting for you to honor your own words to never patron this thread again as you said yourself a couple of post back. But somehow, you're still here. Ironic. I guess you like the toxicity in here and you can't leave.

PS: I'm not mad, just tired of you playing dumb and troll in here. I know your game so I'm calling you out. Let me tell you what's your next move, you'll just continue to stay here and just continue to sing your song to sway the audience thinking you're some kind of "saint" that just tells everyone that it's better to buy insurance without an agent for no commission elsewhere but rather than listen to sound advice from proper financial advisor like me. Cause you just don't want anyone else to listen to but "RAMJADE" - So called financial guru who copy-paste sources from other financial post online.

Keep trying to stay relevant here by continuing to preach your oversea insurance and whatever other small lubang insurance plans that you are scheming.

Again, I'd like to remind everyone of Ramjade's long history here. The above is nothing new. It's been 2 years I assume (didn't bother to check the history log)

Again, as a Licensed Financial Planner myself, I take a neutral stance whether a person buys an ILP or Term Insurance and do not have any special favor towards any specific insurance company.

But I'd like to remind everyone to exercise good financial planning before deciding to cancel something just because it's assumed "No agent = No commission" and assume it's ultimately "Better".
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I buy AIA for one reason
1. The most no issue admission insurance. I got not much data for gathercare. I have only one data on medisavers.

I don't like the toxicity here but I will reply and share what I know.

Er let us just say I know some stuff about you. A little birdie told me. Which make my instinct correct.

Hello, in case you don't know I did take advise from some people here. Only I didn't message you. You were not on my list of potential agent. Don't feel bad that I didn't consider you as my agent while I consider lots of people here as my potential agent. I was glad I trusted my instincts. I message around 4 people here.

If can, I won't use agent. But the environment make it impossible to buy without an agent. So no choice. But I am glad I didn't pick you as my agent.

You maybe licensed but you have lousy ethics. Lots of people are licensed. Bad or good apples. It's about choosing the good apples from the bad apples.

Anyway since you like to win so much, let you win lo. I got nothing to lose anyway except my time.

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QUOTE(codercoder @ May 2 2024, 10:02 AM)
I am paying rm275 for plan 200. I think got 2 years already. if switch to medisaver, I think save around rm600 per year.

that person who recommended me can some kind of referer fee

this one https://www.lonpac.com/personal-insurance/health/medisecure is lonpac generic product. not the one they design for medisaver.
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When you buy insurance you need to know what you are buying and plan our your finance for it. It's not the now premium you need to worry. Is can you afford the premium at say when you are 70 years old? Add on additional 50-100% on top of current projected premium to get more or less the real cost.

Medical insurance will get more expansive with time. Insurance is something you don't want to claim but you are thankful that you get it.
If budget is really an issue, can try looking at Deartime (insurance for B40). Not recommended but something better than nothing.
For me, gathercare premium beats everyone but some may say it's sketchy. Up to you to do your own research. I did mine and saw nothing wrong with it. Just not popular.

When you buy an ILP you are paying for excess. Do you really need the excess? There is no free lunch in insurance. When you buy standalone, you are just paying for insurance.

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 2 2024, 10:50 AM)
laugh.gif okay. Whatever, I'll continue to call you out.

For now, you're just a man with no honor to his words.

PS I'd like how you avoid all the statements I've made with irrelevant answers. Must be so true.
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I just malas and don't want waste time on people like you. Unlike you, I got nothing to sell. Nothing to gain. I guess that is what piss you off cause you cannot understand how people like me can give info away for free without expecting any payment.

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post May 16 2024, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(bogletails @ May 16 2024, 07:43 PM)
Currently surveying insurance and have some questions to ask. I'm 25, looking for plan that sustain till 80 years old.

1. Is payor waiver necessary? Currently I have a very good saving and adding this waiver will add Rm50 to my monthly premium which is Rm600 per year.

2. If let's say we compare apple to apple. 1-1.5mil AL, 200 Room and board. Life insurance set at minimum (10-50k), (Critical illness, personal accident, waivor) all removed, which company is cheaper? AIA, Allianz, GE, Prudential.

Although I have money I would like to keep the premium at minimum, if possible I want to get a standalone but all the companies have a very bad annual limit for standalone plan. If anyone got good recommendation can let me know too.
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You won't get good replies here.
1. Read what does the waiver cover. According to my agent her client took the waiver but insurance company does not want to cover as
It does not fulfilled the definition of the sickness
Eg. Heart attack, the waiver will only cover if >=70% of blockage of blood vessel. So if the doctor report write as 60%, no waiver will be given. The waiver is pretty basic stuff unless they upgraded it.
Also the waiver won't cover any increase in premium other than the original premium. You can search this topic.

2. You have to shop yourself like what I did and tabulate the data yourself. No one here is going to help as "some people here wants payment" before giving you this info. I

You can get standalone. AIA, GE, Generali all have standalone plans. You need booster to boost up coverage to 1m+ if you are going to buy AIA or GE.

Go with AIA and take the highest deductible plan. Supplement it with gathercare. That is what I will be doing in the future. Gathercare only cost like RM300-400/year. Use gathercare as main insurance and and have savings of at least 30k if somehow gathercare does not work.

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QUOTE(bogletails @ May 16 2024, 08:18 PM)
1. I know it's good to have. Actually all rider is good to have. But the thing is, is it worth extra 600 per year?

2. If occupation is just office work, male. Low risk occupation. If every metric set to be the same, out of these 4 big insurance co, which is better and which one is cheaper in your opinion

Oh one more question. What would u recommend the coverage period usually? Until 70 or 80? I think the price difference is huge.
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All riders are good to have. Is
1. Whether you can afford them
2. Are they really needed.
There is no free lunch in insurance.

2. Office people more prone to heart attack, diabetes, high blood pressure because of sedentary lifestyle.

I cover myself until 80. Your choice. All boils down to how much are you willing to pay.

If you are filthy rich can buy until 99 also no problem.

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QUOTE(bogletails @ May 16 2024, 08:21 PM)
If take standalone, is the renewal guarantee? If I got a illness one day, can they stop me from buying insurance next year? That's what the AIA agent tell me when I say I want standalone
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The waiver is worth it if you get those really critical illness like cancer big major heart attack. Not sure if they cover for early cancer.

They are cheating you. Ask them show black and white. The only stuff in black and white writer by insurance contract are
1. Contract will be voided if customer terminate it, lapse or have some fraud.

I designed my own waiver by getting spare standalone critical illness form Singapore which is cheaper and cover more.

Very brief
AIA RM500k coverage, RM14k/year
Singapore critical illness RM500k + booster RM7k/year (in SGD).

RM500k is more than enough to cover insurance cost with lots of left over.

Of course if you just choose the traditional 36 critical illness which is what most waiver is, it's cheaper than what I have.

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QUOTE(bogletails @ May 16 2024, 08:47 PM)
Old, retired and can't work can qualify for waivor? My concern is I worry the waiver only will activate when my critical illness is end stage and I'm half dead . Like that no point alrd right? If early stage can activate waivor I will confirm take it.
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That's why read the terms and conditions of the waiver. I was thinking of getting the waiver until my agent told me her story.

That's the reason I design my own waiver. Any stage of critical illness I will get paid out.
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post May 17 2024, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ May 17 2024, 09:41 AM)
That is what I did back then, ...
Buy within my financial capability...
Then when retirement age, I realised that, that decision to buy based on my financial capability during my income productive life may not be fully correct.

The rate of premium increase based in the table attached with the policy years ago which I think I can afford has gone up tremendously until it can be a burden at times.
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If you buy an ILP get ready for negative cash value or at best zero cash value at age 70 if you did t topup.

So you factor in topup, poor performance of the ILP which force you to keep increasing premium, I think you landed same place with standalone insurance.

That's why plan for it. That's why for me, if my 70 years old premium increase by say 100% from today price, can I afford it at today money? Can. Because I already plan for it when I buy it.

What happen if you got no money to service the ILP? There will come at time when the medical insurance premium is higher than the premium you are paying for your ILP. A honest agent will tell you expect negative cash value or at best zero cash value at age 70 while a agent that try to sell you stuff will tell you don't worry. You pay now, no issue in the future.

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