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post Apr 9 2024, 11:19 AM

 
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 9 2024, 11:16 AM)
Isn't that what I'm clearly referencing your "elsewhere" as investment although indirectly.

If you don't intend to top-up to an ILP and wish to do your own investment. Then don't buy ILP policy in the first place. It's akin to buying Petrol Car and you want to pour Diesel in it when it runs out of petrol.
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No, you said use the "elsewhere" money to pay for hospital fee while I mean use the "elsewhere" money to pay for insurance. And I didn't said anything about YOLO.

Cheers.
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post Apr 9 2024, 11:21 AM

 
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This thread really has zero tolerance for different point of view.
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post Apr 9 2024, 11:30 AM

 
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 9 2024, 11:29 AM)
Accepting different point of view also means you have to accept other people's POV as well. You seem to indicate that people shouldn't top-up towards their insurance policy and do investment elsewhere.

I indicated that you could do so, just; however, live with the consequences as not everyone has the "intelligence" & "discipline" to invest the money and subsequently use that "profit/loss" to pay back towards the increasing insurance premium.

However, you don't seem to be "agreeable" towards my POV and deemed that there is zero-tolerance. Doesn't the above shows that you are the one being the intolerant one?

Never did I insist YoungMan MUST top-up his insurance, I also suggest he can cancel it now and save the money. I'm pretty neutral towards my answers. Nothing like a "typical insurance agent".
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biggrin.gif okay whatever. You know I know can already.
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post May 27 2024, 07:41 AM

 
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I find it really amusing when insurance agents referring themselves as "professional" like doctor and lawyer.
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post May 27 2024, 08:07 AM

 
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QUOTE(MUM @ May 27 2024, 07:51 AM)
I think it was meant to refering to as, all professional service providers need and will earn from providing their service.

Professional = engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as a pastime.
"a professional boxer"

BTW, they hv to get qualified before being able to provides their service too
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The qualification is so easy please don't compare them with doctor and lawyer la. Grab drivers have to get qualified first before providing their service too, but I don't see them calling themselves as "professional" like doctor and lawyer.
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post Jun 19 2024, 10:46 AM

 
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QUOTE(hafizmamak85 @ Jun 19 2024, 10:38 AM)
Btw, there is way to circumvent this nomination and trustee issues. Just do an absolute/partial assignment. Say that you are doing it for love and unconditionally etc etc. Esp in this sister situation. I don't understand why more people are not talking about assignments.
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Because most people think that the sister will get to use the money as long as she's the nominee, and the agents didn't explain to them.
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post Jun 19 2024, 11:33 AM

 
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QUOTE(MUM @ Jun 19 2024, 11:02 AM)
The spouse after having taken out the money can do what ever he/she liked?  Is there any legal provision that does not allows that?
Wife take money remarried, shares that money with new husband but are still may or may not be taking care of the children
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You put 100% to wife? Nothing for children in the nomination?
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post Jun 19 2024, 03:17 PM

 
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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Jun 19 2024, 02:58 PM)
Whoever is the named nominee will receive the insurance proceeds.
This part clear kan?

Then the issue now is
1. who is the rightful owner of said monies?
Hence the need to identify the person receiving the monies.
Are they receiving it as an executor, or are they receiving it as the rightful beneficiary?

2. does this form part of the deceased estate to be distributed?
Answer is no because the banks and all creditors get first dibs on the deceased estate, leaving the remaining balance to then be distributed to the rightful heirs.
Whereas the Life Insurance proceeds is immune against such creditors.

Sorry, but I was under the impression that this is common knowledge??? (Maybe I am in a bubble, so I apologize)
I'm shocked for someone who "used to work in BNM" to be confused about this?????  shocking.gif
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jun 19 2024, 03:06 PM)
I don't see why suddenly got a big issue about nomination all the sudden.

Either hafiz is trying to confuse everyone or spin a scenario into oblivion or generally majority has no idea how nomination work.
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If the policy owner (non muslim) has no spouse/kid but has a living parent, and he put sister as nominee (100%), then die without a will:
1) the insurance money is not part of estate and creditors can't go after it
2) sister must distribute all the insurance money to the parent (insurance money don't belong to sister although she is the nominee)

Are the above correct?

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post Jun 19 2024, 03:55 PM

 
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jun 19 2024, 03:35 PM)
if you are not parents spouse or children, even if you are named in insurance policy as beneficiary dont hope you can get that money to enjoy , you would only receive the money as executor, to distribute the money later on to their rightful owners
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jun 19 2024, 03:40 PM)
1. Insurance payout will fall under the deceased estate and will be subject to his debts.
2. The sister shall distribute the money in accordance to the Distribution Act 1958 since the brother died Intestate.
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The public most likely don't know about this. Definitely not a common knowledge.
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post Jul 26 2024, 08:47 AM

 
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QUOTE(mikhailcbh @ Jul 26 2024, 07:53 AM)
Dear Sifus,

Guess I am another "victim" to another insurance premium increase.

I bought my son an ILP insurance from Allianz upon his birth in Nov 2019. Premium then was RM 206, now increase to RM 329. Policy is Medisafe Infinite+ Plan 150. Sum insured is RM 10k, 72 critical illness circa RM 85k, there is this pay or  cover rider too, where i can stop premium if (touch wood) kena one of the critical illness.

My question is:

Is there any alternate option I have to maintain the current RM 206 premium?

Just want to gain some upperhand while pending my agent's reply.

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Do nothing and know that your policy will lapse earlier.
Downgrade the coverage.
Remove some riders.

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post Sep 9 2024, 08:44 AM

 
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QUOTE(blibala @ Sep 8 2024, 10:46 PM)
What is the relationship btw income vs insurance? Dont get the point..
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A low income individual trying to get an unusually high coverage is consider a red flag to insurance companies.
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post Sep 23 2024, 08:05 AM

 
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Sep 22 2024, 09:12 PM)
just wondering... are you working and hence being covered by another insurance policy... like by your firm's policy?

If yes, more reason to opt for co-pay increase... as 1K rm is really nothing in say 10 to 20 years time.
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I doubt it will remain as 1k after 10-20 years if the premium unchanged.
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post Oct 2 2024, 11:19 AM

 
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GE just increase the premium by 37%. Bravo.
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post Oct 2 2024, 04:13 PM

 
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Oct 2 2024, 03:26 PM)
What's the quantum of increase for the insurance charges specifically?
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40% (for SMM200)

New charges:
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Old charges:
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And this is a new policy bought in 2022.

QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 2 2024, 04:03 PM)
Wondering too if that 37% premium increase in a year includes the usual scheduled "next age bracket"  premium increase too?
Ex: 51-55, 56-61, 61-66 kind of increases.
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No. Same bracket.

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post Oct 2 2024, 05:02 PM

 
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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 2 2024, 05:00 PM)
Look at the images posted in post 6321..
There are scheduled premium increased in accordance to age brackets which should be attached with the policy
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That was the scheduled COI, not the premium.

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post Oct 2 2024, 06:53 PM

 
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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 2 2024, 06:37 PM)
Now do you believe that premium will increase eventhough there is no medical inflation?
Medical inflation are added in periodically after they published the insurance cost in the table.
It showed that coi increases as per age brackets which you had mentioned that premium should not increase at retirement.

If coi increase, will premium increase too for medical insurance products?
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Bro, you seriously have no idea on how ILP works?

Here's the scheduled premium. It should NOT increase until very old age (unless medical inflation, more people claim, poor investment).

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post Oct 2 2024, 07:00 PM

 
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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 2 2024, 06:55 PM)
Is that life insurance or medical insurance plan?

Are you sure ilp medical plan has no premium increases?
"RAMJADE" would be very surprised
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Until now you still ask if this is life insurance or medical insurance?

At this point I think you are just trolling.
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post Oct 2 2024, 07:03 PM

 
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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 2 2024, 07:02 PM)
Just want your confirmation, ...
After you had confirmed that it is a ilp medical plan, could you provide the name of that product?
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You can read back my posts if you care.
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post Oct 2 2024, 07:11 PM

 
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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 2 2024, 07:05 PM)
You had already posted "unless" ....

So the premium can increase.
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This is my last reply to you regarding this issue.

The increase has nothing to do with COI age bracket that you mentioned previously.
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post Oct 10 2024, 04:55 PM

 
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QUOTE(Ewa Wa @ Oct 10 2024, 04:48 PM)
Bcoz high deductible payment eg RM5k and above will stop a lot of ppl simply admitting to hospitals due to unable to claim. If you did a minor surgery eg endoscopy mayb cost abt RM 5k. Then u can’t claim insurance although u owned a medical card..  bangwall.gif
Then this type of medical card will not loop into repricing (increase premium) so frequent by the insurance companies due to the claim ratio is relatively much lower than those low deductible or no co payment medical plan. This kind of plan definitely is cheaper than those with low deductible RM300/500.
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Is it possible for high deductible policy to share the same pool as low or non-deductible?

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