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mini orchard
post Dec 13 2021, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(sim_2020 @ Dec 13 2021, 04:15 PM)
I have a very old all in one insurance medical card which which i bought very long time ago. I have some people advice me that I should top up / upgrade my existing card than getting a new coverage plan from other insurance company. It will be cheaper and worth it. Is this true ?
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Yes ...buy another plan from the same co to compliment the existing policy.
mini orchard
post Dec 22 2021, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(CoolStoryWriter @ Dec 22 2021, 12:09 PM)
Do I need life insurance it I already have MLTA?

After accounting for the house, I have around 200-300k excessive for my beneficiary from my MLTA.

Now question is I also have life insurance of 200k

Should I just cancel life insurance? I'm paying it like 5% of my salary.

I feel that the life insurance is unnecessary but who knows maybe I am wrong?
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Insurance, whether fire, life, motor or home contents is not necessary if one can undertake own risk in the event of an occurance.

A billionaire dont need a 1 million life policy.
mini orchard
post Jan 4 2022, 06:10 AM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Jan 3 2022, 05:26 PM)
That being said, ILPs are designed to be a Level-premium product. Which means you are supposed to pay a certain premium figure (level) forever, that sustains the coverages that it encompasses.
Whereas standalone medical insurance may appear "cheaper" from the start, but the premiums increases according to age at an exponential scale. It gets pretty scary at later ages when we need it most.

So you see, it is not absolute which is "cheaper" or "better".
It's whatever works for your goals and objectives.
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QUOTE(onthefly @ Jan 4 2022, 12:11 AM)
Just for discussion sake, ILP has adjustment/increment on the premium too when it cannot sustain due to watever reason(medical inflation rising higher then investment portion,etc )

So end up ILP still need to pay higher like standalone.
What your comment?
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Standalone premiums are predetermined and the insured oredi know or prepared for the 'increased' when buying the policy....it goes in hand with the expected increase in income and risk of the insured to sustain the policy.

As for ILP, many insured are 'caught' when premiums are increased as they thought that their 'investments' can covered the increase in cost. As to whether the increase is exponential is yet to be known until the end of the policy.

One should calculate the total premium for the same coverage as a comparison instead of comparing yearly premium at a point of time.

In any contract, when 'terms' are uncertain, it is ALWAYS at the DISADVANTAGES to the proposal.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Jan 4 2022, 07:58 AM
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post Jan 5 2022, 07:13 AM

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QUOTE(denion @ Jan 4 2022, 08:27 PM)
hi onthefly, indeed the premium for ILP aint guarantee and is subject to change should the insurance charges increased or funds performance is unable to sustain the policy until coverage term. if you are just referring to medical card, standalone premium is also subject to change. the reason of looking into ILP plans is if you wanna have something that standalone plan doesn't have, premium wise, i will say treat it as the same. it will be too technical to go into in depth discussion. perhaps you can ask a few agents friends and see how they explain to you. wink.gif

btw the question you raised is good :thumbsup:
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Standalone premium change / increase according to age entry during the entire coverage. One is prepared to pay an increase when he reaches the new age barrier. Is not subject to 'investment failure' unlike other products link to it.

Similarly to fixed loan housing loan interest. The repayment is fixed for the entire tenure. Unlike yearly rest interest rate, repayment will change according to market investment situation of the banks.

For variable premiums, quantum of increase is uncertain and can affect affordability of insured if the % increase is high. Some may eventually terminate the policy or reduce coverage to sustain the policy.

Insurance is a product where one buys for coverage in the event of something happen. If one understands that, then it wont go wrong in the purchase.

Is NEVER an investment per say.

Insurer use the word 'Sustainability' to put 'fear' on the insured to continue the 'INVESTMENT'. Just like the dr advise ...if you dont take your medication, you will die !



mini orchard
post Jan 8 2022, 07:24 AM

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QUOTE(gogocan @ Jan 8 2022, 02:03 AM)
How about this..website say same contribution yearly..but PDS said not guaranteed. Can lodge complaint for misleading marketing?

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If you can get a same copy of the policy contract, it should have more details on how the terms are worded.

As a consumer, if you think the advertisement is misleading, go ahead and lodge a complaint.


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post Jan 22 2022, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(submergedx @ Jan 22 2022, 05:50 PM)
This is my consideration previously.

I prefer MLTA/MRTA over life coverage. I got family and multiple properties, so instead buying life, i go for housing insurance instead. If i died my family can inherit my properties or maybe some cash value with my current mortgages.

I got such plan because im tend to becoming a property collector, a newbie la of course.
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If one hold mutliple properties, mrta is a cheaper option. Must ensure the same tenure with loans. Any years shorter will be disaster for next of kins.
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post Jan 26 2022, 07:13 AM

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QUOTE(hus2020 @ Jan 26 2022, 01:21 AM)
I have a complex NCD question. Need clarity and guidance.

CAR 1 - Honda City - Current NCD 45% - Renewal is Dec'22
CAR 2 - Wira - Current NCD 25% - Renewal is Jul'22

NEW CAR - Plan to buy New Honda Civic

What I want to do is-
1) Withdraw 45% NCD from Honda City to the New Honda CIVIC
2) Honda City now sits at 0% NCD. Honda Civic at 45%
3) By July, renew Wira insurance and move up to 33% NCD.
4) Withdraw this NCD and transfer to Honda City
5) Honda City now 33% and Wira at 0%
6) In Dec, renew Honda City insurance with 33% NCD.

Will it work in this manner?
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Terminate and buy new for all existing or top up premium.

NCD is given for 1 year duration with lower premium. Owner cannot 'enjoy' the existing 'discount' and also transfer to new car with the same NCD without paying additional premium to cont insurance UNLESS the car is sold.

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post Jan 26 2022, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(magika @ Jan 26 2022, 04:34 PM)
Nobody understand what u saying  sweat.gif
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Not important anyway.
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post Feb 13 2022, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(sching @ Feb 13 2022, 06:38 PM)
Just for knowledge, is it better to split out 2 different policies - one for life and another for medical? Or better to have in one policy?
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Split.

An insured is more likely to terminate life when the policy outlive the purpose when it was originally purchase.
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post Feb 17 2022, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(daniel_g888 @ Feb 17 2022, 03:51 PM)
Hello all sifus,

I have a doubt and hope if you could give me some guidance here.

I am 41 years old and non-smoker, and just about to enter into 42 years old soon in coming April. And I have been having one insurance plan with Prudential since Y2010 when I first started to work. The plan is a very basic Pruhealth plan with just about RM188 per month, that covers the following:

Medical card annual limit RM62,500
Lifetime limit RM225,000
Room RM150/day
Life benefit: RM10,000
Critical Illness: RM50,000
Critical Illness type: 36
Hospital benefit/daily allowance: RM100/day
Plan sustainable until age 70

I know the above plan is too old and may not even be able to sustain with today's (and even future) medical cost.

So I rang my agent and just to see if I could opt for upgrade so that I could get something more sustainable, but the quote I get by increasing the annual limit to RM1 million (and no lifetime limit), and RM200/day for Room on above will get me to nearly RM400 per month premium.

But if I get a new plan quoted from GE I could also potentially getting slightly better in terms of overall benefit and coverage, yet with almost identical monthly RM420++ premium amount.

Here is the new GE plan that quoted for me:

Plan: Pruvalue
Medical card annual limit RM1 million
Lifetime limit: no limit
Room RM150/day
Life benefit: RM50,000
Critical Illness: RM50,000
Critical Illness type: 45
Premium waiver
Plan sustainable until age 80

Monthly premium: RM420
So I am a bit puzzled here. Because I was advised by many that usually customer opting for upgrade on their existing insurance plan wouldn't normally have to pay so much of the monthly premium compare to taking any new plan subscribing?? Did I miss anything?
Can sifu here guide me which option should I opt for? Upgrade existing or go with new plan from GE?

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Your PRU old policy to new ..... everything also increase .... age, lifetime limit, annual limit, life benefits, CI, sustainability ... sure upgrade premium increase.

Honestly is consider 'new' and not upgrade per say.

Upgrade 400, New 420 ?

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post Feb 18 2022, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(daniel_g888 @ Feb 18 2022, 02:41 PM)
Yes, that's why from value proposition it seems like Pru is not giving any better offering for existing customer with old plan like me.
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When you upgrade, you retain whatever benefits / value accrued for the past years.

Buying new .... start from ground zero.
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post Feb 19 2022, 06:34 AM

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QUOTE(JustAskingOnly @ Feb 17 2022, 09:13 AM)
Guys. Anyone received sms from prudential on

1. Extend medical card to 100 years old
2. Covid 19 claim will no longer be an exclusion.
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post Feb 23 2022, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(sching @ Feb 22 2022, 08:44 PM)
Oh, not really aware on what's the difference on the nomination part. Care to explain more? Thanks.
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Dont have to wait for answers. Read here ....

https://www.prubsn.com.my/en/takaful-articl...aful%20benefits.



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post Feb 23 2022, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(patrickthissen @ Feb 23 2022, 04:01 PM)
Hi all, close to 9 years I never revisit my insurance policy.
One thing I don't like my agent is she always quote very high price without considering what client need. (She is my relative, that's why)

What is the advice for me to initiate discussion with her to revisit my policy?
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Share what you have bought 9 years ago and the yearly premium. Some agents here can give you some bullets.
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post Feb 24 2022, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(aska123 @ Feb 24 2022, 03:50 PM)
Hi All,

I am currently 33 years old and looking for a medical card.

It is better if it covers outpatient specialists as well.

Any recommendation?

Currently, I already have an AIA medical card covered for a certain disease or only for accident, surgery, and hospitalization.
Now looking for another one which cover for outpatient as well.
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Medical insurance now do cover for certain day surgery with no admission.
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post Feb 24 2022, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(aska123 @ Feb 24 2022, 03:59 PM)
How bout specialist follow-up?

If let's say today my neck pain, i get a referral letter to see a specialist, will the outpatient be covered under medical insurance?

Based on my understanding is not covered unless need surgical or hospitaization correct ?
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Consultation .... no.

Previously, need admission for all. Now certain cases not necessary.

But after surgery, follow up can claim up to xx days ( have to read my policy again)
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post Feb 28 2022, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(ICDeadPeople @ Feb 28 2022, 10:38 AM)
Hi all, looking for advise on my financial planning, esp. on insurance part. I really think I overpaid.
Anyone who provide the service can pm me, thanks.
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PM you meaning to buy more .... 99%.

Honestly, how do people earn a living without customers buying more.

They cant survive based on advise but if is chargeable, then there is a possibility that someone will sit down with you.

Think about it.

Not only insurance but every other industry.


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post Mar 1 2022, 07:27 AM

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QUOTE(ICDeadPeople @ Feb 28 2022, 11:18 AM)
Prudential.
I have 8 policies worth more than 10k annual. (my previous agent was a sneaky guy).
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I beileved is not the question of 8, 5 or 1.

Most people do regular reviews on their 'investments' and not only insurance. It must suit current and future needs. What is past is history as it was only meant for then.

What has to be axed, then axe. What new to invest, invest.

I cancelled my life policy few years back as I dont see it as a 'good' investment other than to leave a windfall to my children.....that is me lah.

If you want someone to discuss your investments, more likely you need to buy another policy !
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QUOTE(valens @ Mar 1 2022, 11:05 PM)
does anyone know where i can read basic information on insurance?

i have come across terms like:
- whole life insurance
- term insurance
- investment-linked insurance
which i don't understand and how to consider them to decide on my suitable plan. can anyone help?

i am currently only having medical coverage. thinking to have life-insurance (with possibility of covering critical illness too). from what i gathered, life insurance is broken down to:
i) death
ii) tpd
iii) accidental death
iv) anymore i missed out?
what are the differences with the coverage from i-iv? and how does it fit into my plan of getting a life insurance with critical illness coverage?
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https://www.imoney.my/articles/the-essentia...nce-in-malaysia
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post Mar 2 2022, 07:17 AM

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QUOTE(valens @ Mar 2 2022, 01:00 AM)
thank you for the reply. may i know what's the pros and cons of term plan or whole life plan? can i assume they are like "prepaid" and "postpaid" phoneline plans?  sweat.gif
term plan = "prepaid" = short term?
whole life = "postpaid" = long term?

and also, those investment-linked plans, are those made for those whom do not have other financial plans already? can i assume if already have other investment plans, those investment-linked plans can be ignored? do they actually provide much value in terms of return at the end? is there a rough average percentage?

if im 30+ single, stable job with rm5k/mth, low risk, no chronic diseases, non-smoker - would you suggest for whole-life-plan or go for term-plan first?

i noticed term plans usually only covers death and tpd, while whole-life plans covers more (accident, illness etc?) - or is it based on the type of plans different companies offer?

is there any recommendation of any plans from any companies that you are aware off that suits my current needs/profile?
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My opinion as a layman understanding .....

Term Plan ... as the name stated, is for a fixed term. Similar to FDs.

Whole Life .... till the insured reach the grave.

Investment link .... during the early days of insurance, people consider it a taboo to have a policy ..... if your die ...... blah blah blah blah. Now is still the same statement and it stands as that is the purpose.

Insurance is about buying an eventuality. Is like 4D. If you buy and strike, is luck. If you buy insurance and something happened, you or next of kin is protected from financial stress. The good about life insurance compare to 4D ...you received some money if you decide to surrender the policy subject to minimum number of years. The longer the policy, the higher the surrender value.

I surrendered my life policy few years ago as I dont see the need to cont except for my medical. You dont have to follow my way.

Marketing a product is all about creativity. Investment link sounds attractive compare to the tradional way but the end result is the same ...you still received some money in return if you surrender the policy. Your next of kin will received a payout if you die.

Previously, in case die ...... is the top agenda for insurance

Now, can get back money .... is the top agenda, in case die is second....this is 'investment link'.

The thing you must know .....

Total premium paid is NOT equal to surrender value.





That my opinion lah. Not many may agreed.

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