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mini orchard
post Sep 26 2023, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(Gaza @ Sep 25 2023, 10:44 PM)
If the insurance company voids the policy due to non-disclosure as mentioned in earlier post, do they refund the premiums paid assuming no claims have been made before?

If i develop a condition (eg: diabetes) after the initial 2 years period, am i supposed to update the insurance company?
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The law treats a void contract as though it had never been entered into.

Monies paid or received will have be refunded.
mini orchard
post Sep 27 2023, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(newtunes @ Sep 27 2023, 02:19 PM)
Gurus, expert or agent of insurance
Please advise on the matter.

My parent has a medical insurance since long time ago, and the policy said cover until 69 aka next year they will 69 .
What will happen after next year, just lapse like that then no more coverage?
Can it be extended?

The premium is so expensive about 8k plus for this year renewal, they need to assure whether it can be extended before deciding to pay for this year renewal.
Because if next year cannot be extended, it seems pointless to continue to pay for the 8K plus, because only can get 1 year coverage with annual limit about 100K only.
It is an old policy, so annual limit is rather low.

Fully understand the risk involved if opt not to renew.

The main issue, the policy will just lapse after 69?
Only if can be extended, may be got courage to renew.
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Pay for the renewal. After paying for many years, don't save on the last year coverage .... you know what I am saying.

In life, when one don't want it to happen, it will eventually happen and vice versa.
mini orchard
post Sep 27 2023, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(newtunes @ Sep 27 2023, 04:57 PM)
They would like to keep it as well, but paying 8K plus to get the last year coverage of about 100K annual limit, doesn't seen a good deal.
Last time, not so expensive.
They have some saving and EPF to cover, or worst case opt for gov hospital. Touch wood.
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The decision is yours but for me, I will pay.

You look at 8k as big money but 100k as peanut ?

No doubt we have govt hospitals but in time of life death situation, money and time is important.

Honestly, you should have done a review earlier and not now.

I go to PPUM for most of my medical needs from outpatient to admission treatment. If certain treatments require urgent attention, my policy comes in handy because the Q in PPUM is also long.

I treat medical insurance as cost of living expenses.

If one cannot afford the premium, then is also no point buying the policy.

To survive, decision is tough esp in M40 category. For B40 and T20, the decision is obvious.

My spouse sister in law father spent 600k in Ramsay to cont living today.

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post Sep 30 2023, 01:47 AM

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QUOTE(Alternate Gabriel @ Sep 29 2023, 11:23 PM)
I want to know why some of the Insurance Agents in Malaysia are resigning from their job?

Can I know what's the reason you all resigning?

I took an insurance from my ex colleagues previously and I noticed that he managed to get a lot of people to sign up insurance under him.

Fast forwards 2 year later, I got a letter from AIA mentioning that my ex colleague already resigned. Texted him, he said that he jumped to Hong Leong Assurance. It's pretty frustrated when I got the letter. He won't even bother to text me that he had resigned. I asked other persons that signed up insurance under him also didn't aware that he's already resigned.  shakehead.gif

Now my insurance is handled by random lady that I didn't know at all. The only text message that I received is wishing me Happy Birthday and encourage me to use AIA+.
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Maybe if all his current customers bought few policies from him, he would have stayed.

But then, money isn't everything when circumstances prevented him from cont working there.

You buy the policy because of him or the product ? If is the former, then is your fault. If is the latter, then is the duty of the company to assign another agent to handle your policy.

Similar to doctors. One day, the patient may find his regular doctor MIA. He don't go around texting to all his patients he is joining another hospital.

In conclusion, did he provided you a good service when he was with the company ?

Hopefully, the next agent may be better than him or at least equal.

In the best scenario, if he has text you, likely he will upsell you another policy and then you wish he didn't text you .... amen.

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post Sep 30 2023, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(LDP @ Sep 30 2023, 08:32 AM)
Hi gurus,

Need your help on making decision. I have a CI policy for 20 years and I felt like terminating it for good this year. What are the criteria one need to consider before terminating insurance policy ? In my case, the coverage is quite minimal as the face value is around 65K ish....
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You want to terminate because ....

1. Cannot afford the premium ? If no, then go ahead to terminate.

If on the other hand, if you have a life policy and has no dependents, then cancel the policy and to use the premium for CI.

2. You see no value in the coverage ? 65k is not a lot of money in today medical treatment standard but at the same time is also not little money.

Can you take out 65k personally tomorrow if you needed treatment ? If your answer is yes, why would you do it if you can pay few hundreds yearly for the 65k ?

Of course you can buy more coverage, but there is always a limit to buy and for the amount you feel is able to help you but not necessary cover every treatment.


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post Sep 30 2023, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(LDP @ Sep 30 2023, 09:02 AM)
Hi See my reply below...

1. I can afford the premium.

2. I can afford 65K..Hence I dont see the need to continue paying 100 per month for the product.
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Why do you need to post the question if you oredi make up your mind.

Save your mobile data to watch utube lar.
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post Sep 30 2023, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(LDP @ Sep 30 2023, 09:22 AM)
I have unlimited mobile data, dont need to scrimp over it :-)

Why do I post the question ? For validation...
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Do we need validation for cancellation a restaurant order ?
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post Oct 1 2023, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(timeekit @ Sep 29 2023, 06:12 PM)
Hi Sifus,

My Insurance Agent shared this campaign to me.
Seems quite worthwhile as able to double my annual limit.

Just wanted to know your opinion if worth to take it up, if it doesn't increase my current premium (or increase by a little)

Great Eastern Double Annual Limit Campaign

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Many people are 'chasing' to have high medical coverage without realising that is just a 'short' stay in the hospital.

Knowing what is enough is like trying to predict the first prize number in 4ekor.

But many have missed the importance of CI and PA which may actually keep one cont living post hospitalisation.

And many thought that once he is discharged, he is back to his normal lifestyle.

The case of a man who has oredi spend 600k to continue living and his bill is reaching 1mil soon. But luck is with him for having some land to keep him going and not sure for how long thou.
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post Oct 2 2023, 05:52 AM

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QUOTE(timeekit @ Oct 1 2023, 11:02 PM)
Can I confirm CI is Critical Illness and PA is Personal Accident?
Actually i never really thought of that, i always felt that if one discharged after (touch wood) being hospitalized, everything would go back to normal.
Maybe for minor cases then yes, but if major cases, then we may need insurance money to supplement our daily spending, in view that we may not work the same post hospitalization.

My policy does have lump sum critical illness benefit though, but definitely lesser amount compared to the medical coverage
i guess best to have insurance policy that is "balance" in terms of during and post hospitalization.
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Yes, CI is Critical Illness as also mentioned by others.

Hospitalisation is similar to going for a 14D 12N Europe tour.

You have a pilot (doctor) to fly your there. A tour guide (nurse) to take care of you. A housekeeper (cleaner) to make your beds. And a chef to cook your breakfast. In return, you pay for the tour fare (premium).

Once your 'pilot' discharged you back in KLIA, reality sets in that all have to DIY.

Like you did mentioned, 'balance' is the key word.

Just like someone lost his leg or arm in an accident. The PA payout will help him financially after being discharged.

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post Oct 2 2023, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Oct 2 2023, 12:12 PM)
I have a new recruit and I took the opportunity to go through our contracts again.

Life planners like myself are deemed to be acting and giving advice, collecting payments on behalf of the company. Hence the liability lies with the insurer.
The insured can actually sue Life Planners like myself for mis-selling, and the insurer will be involved as well.
The insurer will be the one taking on the liability, while my contract with the insurer and my license is on the line.

So to circle back to one of our forumers’ previous question, I’d like to correct myself:
Yes, individuals acting in their own capacity to influence others in their insurance purchase are liable for their own actions, and can be brought to court, if a prima facie case can be established.
However, such cases will not be entertained by the OFS as it is outside of its range of services.
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I think you are referring to the duties of the Agent to his Principal and is standard in all agency contract.

"One of the duty of the agent is not to act outside or beyond the scope of his appointed job scope. In the event it did happen, the Principal is not liable for the action of the agent towards a third party."
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post Oct 3 2023, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 3 2023, 09:10 AM)
I think yes, if they asked about that or asked for that.
But for the past many weeks, this thread seems to be had been "hijacked" by you for "sharing" of your info.
Not much had been shared by "qualified" n licensed forummers in this insurance topic.

The "way you shared it" only served to guide those that wanted to buy insurance to "follow" you.

Which could be not always a wiser choice.

Just my observation....
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I noticed agents here tend not to participate in certain topics to avoid further 'discussions' or just a safe approach answers.

Many are here reading the same comments and thought is a waste of time to discuss further.

Don't blame your 'enemy' if he cont to 'attack' the industry if one choose to be quiet.

In a war, you cannot SMS or WhatsApp your enemy to back off. Is either one counter attack or raise the white flag.

Your profession ... you decide.
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 3 2023, 09:57 AM)
They are not obligated to do that.
They are not depending of replying here to get income from it.

It will be those that really wanted to buy insurance that could be missing much info from the other side or a more holistic side
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If agents think it doesn't warrant an answer or not obligated, then is their choice.

If one don't correct a 'wrong' info, don't blame others for feeding it.
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 3 2023, 10:05 AM)
Those info shared by Ramjade are NOT wrong,...

Thus there is nothing to be corrected.

It is the potential buyer to did not get the other side of the stories or a more holistic story that could be in the disadvantage.
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That is where the professional members must come in.
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Oct 3 2023, 10:03 AM)
I too feel that many "qualified" n "licensed" forumers here are only giving common answers without any depth and at the end bring nothing to the table.

"Depends on your financial situation/goal blah blah blah..." basically just mean "PM me for details".
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Possible they have ethics not to comment further in an open forum.
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 3 2023, 10:08 AM)
Yes they are licensed to seek more info...

Just like a doctor will not simply provides diagnosis based on just ...i got headache.
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Just say ... visit my clinic 😀

One can always put a disclaimer sentence and to advise to seek professional help.
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 3 2023, 10:10 AM)
For what? When the thread is been "hijacked"?

Look back 6 months for their comments and posting made
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You still don't understand my post.


ATTACK, ATTACK AND ATTACK


I don't think M'sia can request China to stop 'conquering' South China Sea 🤣

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post Oct 3 2023, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 3 2023, 10:31 AM)
But if the place they wanted to get more info to decide ( like this thread) to decide if standalone or ilp, ..only et info and suggestion on standalone and all it goodness and all the bad of ilp.

Then the buyer could end up losing
Especially from non licensed respondents.

BTW, those that wanted to know more about standalone or ilp which is better, can always get from Google.
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This is your answer ....

QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Oct 3 2023, 10:03 AM)
I too feel that many "qualified" n "licensed" forumers here are only giving common answers without any depth and at the end bring nothing to the table.

"Depends on your financial situation/goal blah blah blah..." basically just mean "PM me for details".
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 3 2023, 10:40 AM)
Bcos most of the questions posted has alot of unknown info inside...
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That where the agents have to ask and not 'PM me' type answers.

Read back the answer for this post and form your own conclusion ....

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post Oct 3 2023, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 3 2023, 10:44 AM)
But the answes given on standalone points to cheaper, ..
Is that a winning and legit answers?
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Why not ?
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post Oct 3 2023, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 3 2023, 10:45 AM)
PM could be for privacy or confidentiality.
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Maybe you should read my answers ... I won't say is the best but from a non agent perspective.

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